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00:47 < fenn> "My ordinary life: improvements since the 1990s" https://gwern.net/improvement
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01:00 < fenn> "Glue Robbers: Sequencing Nobelists Using Collectible Letters"
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02:37 < CNOT> Ethernet: not needing to know the difference between PLIP, SLIP, IRQ, TCP/IP, or PPP to get online
02:55 < CNOT> i got on the intertubes in 1992, i didnt have to deal with PLIP or SLIP, afaik.. and IRQ was for ISA cards? after you entered it once it just worked forever.. hm. maybe the author had bad experience with this
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16:04 < kanzure> incremental path molecular nanotech stuff https://twitter.com/mechadense/status/1692807511340916930
16:08 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> I'm not opposed to using bio to bootstrap but it to me always feel like it's slightly more difficult than direct manufacture via bootstrapping from a electron microscope and toolset. Neither is easy but the former I worry introduces additional theoretical and design problems over the "brute force" approach of bootstrapping
16:09 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Admittedly bio would be cheaper I suspect as DNA printing and genetically modifying simple organisms is quite low cost and well trodden ground these days
16:12 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> The fenn workout method powered by worldly disgust
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18:55 < docl> something I've been pondering: if you put 3+ structures together you could make atomically precise channels where they meet. they can have weak bonds on the contacting surfaces, which pressurize the channel when the temperature is low enough for the adhesion bonds to shorten. many weak bonds can add up. so this might form the basis for a high pressure nanomolecular press
19:00 < docl> so you could have 4 cubic crystals. the inside edge of each could be milled, then 4 of them brought into contact. the surfaces could also be milled and coated to make sure they only fit together and adhere (with lowest energy state) where the channel is according to spec
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19:06 < docl> the channel could be relatively long, and you might cycle temperature up and down to lengthen/contract the adhesion bonds. while they are long (at the higher temp) the building block molecules would move around in the channel, and would meet up and join together at some rate whenever the temperature is cooled/channel gets crunched
19:18 < docl> so you might be able to have a channel shaped to crunch methane or pentane into adamantine (with reactants to scrub excess H2), then have the product flow into channels that make progressively larger adamantines with more highly specific shapes. fluid pressure changes might be used to join them end to end to make longer diamond structures
19:19 < docl> s/larger adamantanes/larger diamondoids
19:19 < docl> ugh, typos. s/adamantine/adamantane
19:21 < docl> in principle this turns the problem to be more surface and edge based
19:26 < hprmbridge> kanzure> did we tell docl about the mechanical nanopore thing via sliding occlusion
19:26 < docl> I don't think so. link?
19:27 < hprmbridge> kanzure> uhh no idea if there is a link
19:27 < docl> https://game-enthusiast.com/2021/05/14/demonpore-the-worlds-first-molecular-gaming-console/
19:28 < docl> was it demonpore, by chance?
19:28 < hprmbridge> kanzure> yes that's kent
19:28 < docl> nice
19:28 < docl> I just named my son after Maxwell
19:31 < docl> pores are going to be important in nanofabrication, I suspect
19:31 < hprmbridge> kanzure> @Kemmishtree you have been summoned
19:31 < L29Ah> demonpore seems to have wiped all of its web presence except third-party mentions and https://www.molecularreality.com
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20:56 < docl> channels for nanofabrication is different from pores, since I'm talking long skinny shaped reaction chambers. some concept overlap
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21:54 < fenn> https://www.billboard.com/pro/ai-generated-creative-works-cant-be-copyrighted-judge-rules/
21:56 < fenn> hard to understand how a work could be created without any human input at all. photographers claim copyright just for pressing a button
21:58 < fenn> "the U.S. Copyright Office said that AI-assisted works could still be copyrighted, so long as the ultimate author remains a human being"
21:58 < fenn> so one guy pushes a button under contract and then all copyright gets transferred to a corporation
21:58 < fenn> case closed? i find it a bizarre legal finding, to be honest
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