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05:47 < hprmbridge> kanzure> human brain uploading on a 10 year timeline https://youtu.be/jZqynCV0AGc
05:47 < Muaddib> [jZqynCV0AGc] David Dalrymple | Rethinking Uploading Given 10-Year AI Timelines @ WBE Workshop 2023 (13:31)
06:10  * L29Ah feels he should invest in "AI"-based "clean-room" reverse engineering
06:11 < L29Ah> so many stuff to own/opensource by the virtue of copyright-erasing feature of "AI"
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08:44 < CNOT> what is "I"? is it okay if 50% you and 50% something else gets merged and "uploaded"?
08:45 < CNOT> and unless it is a destructive upload, is it okay that a copy of you "becomes you", and then you are basically put down?
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09:23 < CNOT> i am gonna answer my own questions: 1) I am okay with 50/50 me and something else gets merged and uploaded. being someone specific is overrated anyways. 2) no i would not be okay with that
10:10 < hprmbridge> kanzure> are those important questions? what if it's not you but behaves identically and has identical memory? would that be so bad?
10:12 < CNOT> i dont believe in souls, or ghosts.. 
10:13 < CNOT> if i walk over to the other side of the room, that person in that corner will behave like me and have essentially identical memories
10:13 < hprmbridge> kanzure> right. but let's even say you did. why would a soulless machine be so problematic? sounds cool to me.
10:15 < CNOT> idk what to say to that
10:16 < CNOT> a lot of so called atheists seems to me to believe in ghosts and magic
10:16 < CNOT> but they would never admit that, even though their logic very strongly implies they are lying to themselves about their souls
11:42 < docl> https://proto.life/2022/08/this-startup-wants-to-grow-rice-in-the-ocean/
11:43 < docl> "At the moment we’ve got plants that are comfortably growing in half the level of oceanic salt water [16 grams per liter]," "We know exactly what to do to get from 16 to 32, which is full oceanic salt level."
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13:27 < CNOT> completely unrelated but here is my latest warhammer figure > https://postimg.cc/ZCxxjWyz and https://postimg.cc/ZCxxjWyz
13:27 < CNOT> https://postimg.cc/McKP1ysL i mean
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16:02 < fenn> wanting to continue to exist isn't believing in ghosts or magic
16:03 < fenn> quite the opposite
16:06 < hprmbridge> nmz787> also believing in ghosts or magic doesn't seem to specifically require theism
16:08 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Well theism is just the beleif in a personal God (even Christianity isn't necessarily theist, there are deist sects iirc). Having some "supernatural metaphysics" isn't unique to having such a God
16:09 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Tbh I'm mostly a materialist but I'm not totally sure, some tegmarkian multiverse might exist
16:18 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I
16:18 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I'm just a simple galactic backwater hyperchicken
16:39 < hprmbridge> kanzure> a general desire to exist that is mono focused on something undefinable is not helpful
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18:09 < fenn> https://proto.life/dispatches/08-17-23/#breakthrough-in-young-blood-its-the-platelets-bro "chemokine platelet factor 4 (abbreviated PF4 and sometimes CXCL4). Its administration lowered age-related brain inflammation and improved cognition in older mice. Another protein, called CXCR3, was also seen to play a key role"
18:09 < fenn> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06436-3 "Platelet factors attenuate inflammation and rescue cognition in ageing"
18:09 < fenn> also known as aging
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18:11 < fenn> well that's nice but it seems like treating the symptoms
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18:15 < fenn> also platelets are not part of blood plasma
18:23 < fenn> proto.life is pretty cool
18:24 < L29Ah>  Breakthrough in young blood: It’s the platelets, bro!  Could this be an actual biomarker and drug target for chronic fatigue?  Potential gene therapy for alcoholism  Revisiting the 14-day rule for embryos—again!  Brain biomarkers of nicotine addiction  Hinge proteins—and why you should love them  Do people need God when they have AI?
18:25 < fenn> yes the titles are clickbaity
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19:10 < L29Ah> > WILL MY DOG GET PRECISION MEDICINE BEFORE ME?
19:10 < L29Ah> yes
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20:07 < fenn> https://proto.life/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/cultured-meat-wildtype-salmon-nigiri-1.jpg
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22:16 < muurkha> L29Ah: until precision medicine is banned for vets too
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23:20 < fenn> an unexpected outcome of the canine liberation amendment passed in 2086
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