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05:47 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> It's more, the fecund will inherit the earth
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07:14 < hprmbridge> kanzure> eliezer has lately switched rhetorical strategy to "ribosomes!!" https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1695871950852403415
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08:31 < hprmbridge> kanzure> some opinions about DoD "bioradar" for "bio surveillance" https://twitter.com/matt_f_mcknight/status/1696114455631765969
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08:52 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> The yud is saying yud things. Like he seems to think people don't actually get existential risk. He's worse than Wolfram in the whole "I am very smart and am the only one who really gets this insight"
08:53 < nsh> (wolfram actually builds things)
08:53 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> True Wolfram is better than yud
08:56 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> I also love that lesswrong/MIRI abandoned the only actual tac that was potentially useful. Like corrigiblity and the stop button are actually interesting and practical solutions. But they kinda gave up in favour of agent foundations stuff
08:56 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Tbh I like the stuff on Cartesian frames as an alternative to pearlian causality
08:58 < nsh> philosophy fandom. it's okay for people to have hobbies. they shouldn't be confused with science however. 
08:59 < nsh> you can generally differentiate by the degree of coupling with people making incremental advances in practical applications of concepts
09:02 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> True, however Philosophy flavoured work can be useful from a capabilities standpoint
09:02 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> But lesswrong is just a circlejerk mostly actually useful insights are few and far between imo
09:05 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> A lot of the stuff they say is just them going over basic Bayesian epistemology over and over again, only open point I personally think is over practical interest is how to model beliefs about your own actions and things timelike seperated from you
09:11 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> I posted it before about a month ago, but for something lightly Philosophy flavour done right (https://shaoweilin.github.io/ ) this blogs derivations of online learning rules with "mutable variables" is very neat
09:13 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> It takes some basic premises about what a online learning rule should do and gives some quite pretty results, kinda neat a big predictive blobs learning rules are basically RL with surprisal
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10:45 < juri_> I don't think we'll have a collapse in count of humans in developed countries. eventually, we'll start being able to just print new ones. the real question then will be type of human; after all, the hundredth print of the same person will be pretty boring. developed countries will become monocultures of superhumans before 2100.
10:53 < juri_> think: new blade runner. people who mean nothing. yay, distopia!
10:57 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Does anyone have any good resources or suggestions on alleviating cognitive decline in heart failure patients
10:58 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> I had read about rycals but that's an experimental drug
11:07 < hprmbridge> Eli> What’s causing the cognitive decline? Inflammation or lack of oxygen?
11:08 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Not sure, I suspect it's prolly lack of oxygen as blood pressure is artificially lowered by medication (which tbh I'm sus on as a treatment method)
11:11 < hprmbridge> Eli> Are they male or female?
11:11 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Male early 50s
11:12 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> I think some low impact exercise might help but it has to be fairly limited. Tai Chi might be ideal,
11:13 < hprmbridge> Eli> You could try getting a panel to test for inflammation markers. If they look good, you want to ensure they aren’t part of the sleep apnea epidemic.
11:13 < hprmbridge> Eli> You can get a pulseox for $100
11:14 < hprmbridge> Eli> Exercise, diet, and sleep are unbeatable.
11:16 < hprmbridge> Eli> More experimental would be near IR or hyperbaric oxygen therapy
11:20 < hprmbridge> Eli> Part of the problem with aging is you have really small blood vessels in the brain. With aging, these can get clogged. Early 50s doesn’t seem old enough for that to happen, unless they’re in terrible shape. But sleep apnea can easily strike at that age.
11:29 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Nah blood vessels, kidneys, liver, etc are all perfect
11:29 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Only flaw is the heart, looks like it took a nose dive post covid
11:29 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> That's how the timing lines up
11:30 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> I suspect beyond the drugs being horrible a lot of the issue is the reduction in exercise, issue is walking any distance up hills is non-viable and it's all hills round here
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11:51 < hprmbridge> Eli> Covid brain is real. Any indication it could be that?
13:39 < hprmbridge> czak1812> bad heart is source of all problems
14:56 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://github.com/mkeeter/fidget
14:58 < docl> I think people are confused by EY's reference to the ribosome because they don't think as abstractly as he does. the mechanism to replicate a nanofactory is probably going to be wildly different from anything biology would come up with. more wheels, for example
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22:48 < fenn> "it's okay for people to have hobbies. they shouldn't be confused with science however." <- bad attitude
22:48 < fenn> science was started by cultist amateurs and was better then
22:49 < fenn> philosophy is just a bunch of shower thoughts anyway
22:51 < fenn> juri_: on the contrary, genetic engineering will likely lead to much greater variance than exists currently
22:53 < fenn> we can sample code from the entire tree of life. breeding with an amoeba is harder than it sounds
22:53 < fenn> horizontal gene transfer exists, but in geological time
23:02 < fenn> i suggest differentiating between "person" and "human" as soon as possible
23:02 < fenn> language has been sloppy about this point so far, but the distinction matters
23:03 < fenn> it's bad enough to have irreconcilable differences of values, but even worse when you can't even communicate with each other
23:06 < fenn> alonzoc piracetam and friends can increase brain oxygenation
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