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00:52 < hprmbridge> orange22536> 100%, the distinction between a being capable of intelligently reasoning is different from the biological designation of a specific primate genus
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14:00 < L29Ah> https://www.lifespan.io/news/get-up-to-500000-for-aging-research-with-impetus/
14:10 < fenn> google deleting bookmarks it doesn't like https://strangeobject.space/@silvermoon82/110969122337810598
14:55 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://old.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/163xjhj/my_plea_to_the_synthetic_chemistry_community/
15:03 < L29Ah> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/github/dmca/master/2023/02/2023-02-10-tetris.md
15:08 < hprmbridge> kanzure> FDA calling for rulemaking on artificial wombs https://www.fda.gov/advisory-committees/advisory-committee-calendar/pediatric-advisory-committee-meeting-announcement-09192023 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37308675
15:09 < fenn> "papers where the authors reference themselves for a procedure, but when you go to that reference it references another of the authors' papers, and so on and so forth through a human centipede of blatant self-promotion until you finally get to the actual procedure published by some unrelated group decades ago in a paper nobody bothered to index"
15:30 < hprmbridge> kanzure> or we should submit written comments to this FDA thing.
15:30 < hprmbridge> kanzure> looks like they are still focusing on artificial wombs for extremely premature fetuses, and not for whole fetal lidecycle development
15:30 < hprmbridge> kanzure> er, lifecycle
15:34 < hprmbridge> kanzure> i don't know how to describe this https://youtubetranscript.com/?v=uabDZ-RTpyY&t=82
15:36 < fenn> dia del muerto
15:37 < fenn> i don't know what i could say to FDA besides "please fuck off"
15:37 < fenn> you know anything they touch is going to necessarily cost a billion dollars
15:40 < fenn> the problem with fully external artificial wombs is you have to do *everything* meaning a large array of machinery with different blood filtering functions, and where are you going to get that blood from anyway
15:41 < fenn> it's cultured meat all over again
15:41 < fenn> apparently ecotopic pregnancies grow faster than uterine pregnancies
15:42 < fenn> it seems like the host has a special sandboxed environment that limits resources to the parasite/symbiote
15:43 < fenn> because of this, i expect that actually booting up a new organism from a single cell won't be all that special, if you have a host organism to grow it in
15:45 < fenn> has anybody tried transfering a blastocyst to a man or woman outside of the womb?
15:46 < muurkha> you could say to the FDA that at least they approved Paxlovid so it oculd be worse
15:46 < muurkha> I found out today that apparently Paxlovid still isn't approved here in Argentina
15:46 < muurkha> a fact which is likely to kill my father-in-law this week
15:48 < muurkha> 05:48 < fenn> "it's okay for people to have hobbies. they shouldn't be confused with science however." <- bad attitude
15:48 < muurkha> 05:48 < fenn> science was started by cultist amateurs and was better then
15:48 < fenn> snort thee some lugol's iodine
15:49 < fenn> diluted to, uh, something like 10% iirc
15:50 < muurkha> maybe we could counter this with "Leonardo da Vinci, Cavendish, and Newton had a different point of view.  It's okay for people to have jobs.  They shouldn't be confused with science, however."
15:50 < fenn> whoops that was not accurate
15:50 < fenn> povidione iodine 0.5%
15:50 < muurkha> I don't think snorting iodine is likely to be a good idea, though it's not quite the same level of obviously bad as injecting bleach
15:51 < fenn> it's fine, i did it
15:51 < muurkha> by "outside of the womb" do you mean ectopic pregnancies?
15:51 < fenn> yes, abdominal pregnancies
15:52 < muurkha> did it increase your chances of hospitalization from covid or decrease them?
15:52 < muurkha> aren't ectopic pregnancies virtually always fatal if not aborted?
15:52 < fenn> how should i know, i only get one chance at life
15:53 < fenn> there are lots of things with more side effects and less evidence
15:53 < fenn> unfortunately there's very little you can do yourself, with all the restrictions and hysteria
15:53 < fenn> abdominal pregnancies cause hemorrhaging when the placenta eventually detaches from whatever it is feeding on
15:54 < fenn> presumably we'd surgically remove and transplant the fetus to an external womb before that happens
15:55 < fenn> da vinci was an engineer
15:57 < fenn> povidone iodine comes in the bottle as "10% Iodine" so if you dilute that a further 10x you get 1%
15:58 < fenn> by the time it's interfering your lung function it may be too late
16:01 < hprmbridge> kanzure> I think artificial wombs are going to be somewhat easy. although I see lots of bizarre tech choices being discussed like late term transfer to an artificial womb, and synthetic placentas or whatever...
16:01 < fenn> why synthetic placenta?
16:01 < fenn> it's the only piece of equipment you get for free
16:02 < hprmbridge> kanzure> something about the umbilical being problematic
16:02 < hprmbridge> kanzure> my approach would be ex vivo human uterus and then get the embryo to implant.
16:02 < fenn> just dig around in the dumpster behind the hospital?
16:02 < hprmbridge> kanzure> we already do uterus transplants so it's not like the anatomy/arteries is a mystery
16:05 < fenn> how do you supply it with blood, prevent infection, etc
16:07 < hprmbridge> kanzure> well we have blood generally available and blood substitutes if real blood doesn't do it for you
16:09 < fenn> we have blood subsitutes?
16:12 < fenn> apparently perfluorocarbon emulsions evaporate over time
16:12 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40005-022-00590-y
16:14 < fenn> anyway, perfluorocarbons only provide one the many functions of blood
16:14 < hprmbridge> kanzure> okay, well take the donor stuff.
16:15 < fenn> it's a two-fer
16:15 < fenn> get rid of your old blood and provide for the young at the same time
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17:03 < muurkha> da vinci was also a scientist (and, of course, an artist)
17:04 < muurkha> I think he may have been a better scientist than engineer
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17:59 < fenn> "Leonardo studied and designed many machines and devices. He drew their "anatomy" with unparalleled mastery, producing the first form of the modern technical drawing, including a perfected "exploded view" technique, to represent internal components."
18:01 < fenn> he did study friction and perpetual motion machines
18:01 < muurkha> yes
18:02 < muurkha> I think his frictional theories hold up, not to mention his anatomical studies
18:02 < muurkha> The best that can be said about his mechanical designs is that some of them are not unworkable
18:06 < fenn> i understood that his gainful employment was defense consulting for local nobility (who fought with each other often at the time) and mostly nobody in the modern world cares much about his defensive fortifications because they're so boring
18:17 < fenn> painting paid well enough i guess
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20:14 < muurkha> he also designed a lot of siege engines, which the local nobility didn't actually build
20:14 < muurkha> this makes me think they didn't build his fortifications either
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