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07:57 < kanzure> hmph
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08:34 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://bitbucket.org/aradi/nanocut/src/master/
09:09 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1146839067493924954/FsP4FvAWwAQoXhp.png
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12:44 < kanzure> viagen.com redirects to https://transova.com/2021/11/cloning-did-you-know/ but viagenpets.com is another page, weird
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15:08 < docl> https://www.wired.com/story/ethics-children-parenting-family-biology/
15:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> @fodagut Welcome.
15:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> oh, already left.
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17:03 < docl> I wonder to what extent biological cells use the cell membrane to organize things in 2D / whether it makes much sense to use microspheres as a substrate for nanofactory applications
17:04 < docl> I was kind of thinking of cells as mostly controlled chambers with specialized import/export features
17:05 < docl> but a lot of what we usefully do at the nanoscale is thin film / surface oriented, and cell surface seems like the closest natural analogue
17:12 < docl> microspheres are obviously something we can make from a variety of substances. I hadn't really thought of the sphere being a potential factory floor for positional assembly operations
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17:38 < hprmbridge> kanzure> they do lots of cytoskeleton architecture
18:17 < fenn> docl: most "manufacturing" is done in the endoplasmic reticulum, which is optimized for surface area. mitochondria have similar structures inside for molecular disassembly
18:19 < fenn> prokaryotes, being smaller, have a higher surface to volume ratio
18:22 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Maybe shove some of your own flesh into your dog, then require the biopsy to be taken from exactly that location. Bam. Dog-human
18:33 < fenn> who is paying all these bioethicists to destroy all hope
18:34 < fenn> they have to buy food and health insurance like everyone else, right? so why is this stuff considered valuable?
18:34 < fenn> you're going to give someone money to write stuff like "all life is bad"
18:34 < fenn> it's incomprehensible
18:45 < fenn> ideological warfare
18:46 < fenn> you should be ashamed of who you are, because i said so
18:50 < fenn> it only takes one intelligent ideological warrior to destroy millions of lives
18:50 < fenn> i hope at least there is someone left to look back on this and understand what happened
18:57 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://jonathan-anomaly.com/
19:06 < kanzure> "Cognitive enhancement and network effects: how individual prosperity depends on group traits" https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s11406-020-00189-3.pdf
19:31 < L29Ah> 03:33:20]<fenn> who is paying all these bioethicists to destroy all hope
19:31 < L29Ah> die government: it follows the typical status-quo-defending, responsibility-evading logics of bureaucracy
19:35 < muurkha> I think it's more an academia thing, isn't it?
19:36 < muurkha> the whole point of academia is that academics can say what they think even if nobody else agrees with it
19:43 < L29Ah> https://www.indeed.com/q-bioethics-jobs.html huh apparently half of bioethicists work in healthcare
19:44 < L29Ah> muurkha: well they're the circuit breakers of academia installed by the government to prevent it from going wrong
19:46 < L29Ah> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_committee
20:43 < fenn> it's a long road from the nuremburg trials to "people should not have children"
20:43 < fenn> did anyone even read that wired article besides me?
20:43 < muurkha> I didn't
20:44 < fenn> i am worried you will agree with every word in it
20:49 < muurkha> I have no patience for normative judgments about people's preferences and other feelings, and not much for Wired
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