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00:41 < muurkha> https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.01933
00:42 < muurkha> Tegmark and Omohundro a couple weeks ago
00:51 < jrayhawk> retinoids and heterodimers thereof are a medium, not a message
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07:00 < sphertext__> holy shit Bill Faloon (LifeExtension CEO) looks amazing for being in his 70s
07:00 < sphertext__> https://www.lifeextension.com/-/media/lifeextension/about/scientificexpertreviewers/scientific-advisory-bill-faloon_cut.png
07:03 < sphertext__> typical 70 year old man https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/foto/seventy-year-old-man-smiling-lizenzfreies-bild/173612705
07:04 < sphertext__> that hair's gotta be fake as fuck tho 
07:07 < ike8> he looks like he is in his 40s
07:08 < sphertext__> right? its crazy
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10:04 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> Why not have private server instead of discord?
10:05 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> And make it unregulated *
10:07 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> Im gonna start an underground lab
10:08 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> With science as priority not politics or ethics
10:15 < hprmbridge> kanzure> well you're on discord. you can connect with IRC if you want. check the topic line for instructions.
10:17 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> It's private?
10:18 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> The server I mean it's not cloud?
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10:26 < soul_syruo> Greetings
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10:56 < hprmbridge> kanzure> @soul_syrup https://diyhpl.us/wiki/hplusroadmap/
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12:32 < hprmbridge> Eli> Yeah, I use discord, the social media platform for introverts
13:14 < fenn> the irc channel is open to anyone and the logs are on the web
13:15 < fenn> this means the discord logs are on the web too, i guess
13:16 < fenn> is there a dated picture of bill faloon?
13:23 < fenn> .t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rstf5o9hdUE&t=1m50s
13:23 < EmmyNoether> Bill Faloon - Age Reversal | RAADfest 2018 - YouTube
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15:47 < kanzure> .gpt4 Why was Dr. Evil unable to acquire sharks with laser beams attached to their heads?
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15:47 < gptpaste> ​In the movie "Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery", Dr. Evil initially requests sharks with laser beams attached to their heads as a form of defense, but his assistant informs him that it's not possible due to endangered species regulations. Instead, he is provided with ill-tempered mutated sea bass.# Sun 24 Sep 00:47:12 CEST 2023 - Why was Dr. Evil unable to acquir - https://bin.gy/hmansoloug
15:57 < Betawolf> Yes, that was the question.
15:57 < Betawolf> Oh, wait, is the end just the prompt?
16:10 < Betawolf> .gpt4 How can mutated sea bass defend themselves?
16:10 < gptpaste> ​Mutated sea bass, as a concept, often comes from fiction or hypothetical scenarios. The specific defensive abilities of these creatures would depend on the nature of their mutations. However, in general, sea bass (mutated or not) can defend themselves through several methods:1. Camouflage: Sea bass have the ability to change their color to blend in with their surroundings - https://bin.gy/haudgerlym
16:11 < Betawolf> interesting, it did get the reference
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17:04 < sphertext__> fenn faloon's 2022 RADfest talk is also on youtube 
17:04 < fenn> ok. i just wanted a photo with a date attached really
17:05 < sphertext__> it's interesting to watch him move and talk too
17:05 < sphertext__> mobility, clarity in thinking, etc. 
17:05 < fenn> he certainly seems energetic
17:05 < sphertext__> yeah he's doing very well 
17:06 < fenn> life extension foundation had this huge encyclopedia of supplements and treatments for various medical things
17:06 < fenn> in dead tree format
17:07 < sphertext__> they actually offer free phone consultations, to anyone internationally, for cancer 
17:08 < sphertext__> you schedule the call, tell them the details, they do the research, and a guy calls you and gives you a big list of supplements AND drugs and explains his reasoning 
17:08 < sphertext__> the call is about 30min long 
17:09 < kanzure> is there a supplement that reduces people's delusions about supplements
17:09 < sphertext__> and curiously, not ALL of their suggestions are even supplements which they sell themselves
17:10 < sphertext__> kanzure some supplements are worth it, but the vast majority are a fraud
17:10 < sphertext__> lifeextension is a good company tho 
17:10 < sphertext__> thorne up there too, then NOW supplements for the basics 
17:11 < sphertext__> beyond that, it's a shit show 
17:11 < fenn> i get mine from swanson
17:12 < fenn> mostly because it's cheap and has some sort of reputation
17:12 < sphertext__> i would recommend switching to NOW. similar price range, but better reputation overall 
17:15 < fenn> i wish bulksupplements had a more linear pricing function.. i don't want to buy a kilo right off the bat
17:16 < sphertext__> do you actually trust bulksupplements?
17:16 < sphertext__> it's strange that i haven't heard much about them before 
17:16 < fenn> i trust that they do the lab testing
17:16 < fenn> they don't do any marketing
17:16 < sphertext__> also btw. NootropicsDepot is also a supplier with top tier quality control, but their product range is more focused 
17:17 < fenn> is anyone still selling piracetam?
17:17 < fenn> i find the whole situation irritating
17:18 < fenn> no laws were broken, no legal threats were made, and yet everyone stopped selling it
17:18 < L29Ah> import from .ru was cut?
17:19 < jrayhawk> Yeah, that'd be my assumption.
17:19  * L29Ah used to buy piracetam as a readily available source of capsules
17:19 < sphertext__> yeah, eastern european pharmacies sell it OTC if you can visit their physical location. i stocked up on a ton of it that way. swissherbal.eu has the _other_ -racetams in stock. and the usual russian online pharmacies are still selling it 
17:20 < sphertext__> oh, actually science.bio has the full range of racetam 
17:20 < sphertext__> you should go with them imho 
17:20 < muurkha> a ton is a large enough amount of piracetam that presumably you sell it yourself?
17:20 < jrayhawk> https://cosmicnootropic.com/products/nanotropil-phenylpiracetam/ also
17:21 < jrayhawk> they make it clear that the sanctions are the problem
17:21 < sphertext__> ive never intended to sell any. more of a "long term supply" thing 
17:22 < sphertext__> jrayhawk yeah they are one of the canonical russian online pharmacies 
17:22 < fenn> i used to be able to buy a kilogram of piracetam for like $30
17:22 < fenn> there are a bazillion new variants and they don't necessarily even have the same effects or safety profile
17:23 < sphertext__> phenyl, ani, prami and oxi are the conventional ones 
17:24 < jrayhawk> and obviously evading sanctions can be legally unhealthy for you
17:29 < sphertext__> ok well bulksupplements is a scam btw 
17:29 < sphertext__> they sell NMN powder 
17:30 < sphertext__> NMN degrades very quickly, unless it's stabilised in capsule form 
17:30 < sphertext__> there is simply no way that they have "tested" their NMN powder and it came back pure 
17:31 < fenn> lol ok
17:31 < fenn> "scam" because they sell a powder
17:31 < sphertext__> similarly many NMN powders on the market were tested by an independent lab and were shown to barely have any NMN 
17:32 < sphertext__> they are a scam because they claim they sell NMN powder, but what they sell is not NMN powder, because it cannot be NMN powder
17:32 < sphertext__> it is chemically impossible for it to be NMN powder 
17:32 < sphertext__> just something to bare in mind i guess 
17:32 < sphertext__> https://s23.q4cdn.com/937095816/files/doc_downloads/2021/Quantitative-Analysis-of-22-NMN-Consumer-Products-Oct-2021.pdf
17:33 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Could be packed in nitrogen
17:33 < L29Ah> quick googling: A common misconception among consumers is that all NMN supplements need to be refrigerated, but Double Wood says this is only the case when NMN is mixed into a liquid solution. Wood explains that it is the presence of water that allows the chemical reactions to occur, which cause the degradation of NMN into pure nicotinamide, but this is not a concern for the powder itself, if properly 
17:33 < L29Ah> stored.
17:33 < sphertext__> not unbiased, but almost definitely accurate, based on everything we know about the chemistry of NMN 
17:33 < L29Ah> sphertext__: could you link the degradation dynamics info?
17:38 < fenn> huh, there's no link to any quality tests on bulksupplements now
17:45 < sphertext__> L29Ah it looks like there's been a new development in NMN manufacturing https://old.reddit.com/r/NootropicsDepot/comments/t5wlvf/new_products_alert_nmn_250mg_capsules_nmn_powder/i01ui5b/
17:49 < muurkha> sphertext__: how long term of a supply are we talking about for a ton?  that seems like on the order of a million days, which is almost 3000 years
17:52 < sphertext__> are you familiar with the construct of context in communication and with the figurative meaning of semiotic signs?
17:55 < fenn> i apologize on behalf of our pet fool
17:56 < fenn> now if you had said "tonne"...
17:57 < sphertext__> wow you can buy kale powder
17:57 < sphertext__> that's crazy
17:57 < sphertext__> kale is incredible 
17:57 < fenn> kale powder is not very tasty
17:57 < fenn> i much prefer parsley powder
17:57 < sphertext__> i've been eating 1-200g of kale every single day for years 
17:58 < fenn> it's soylent green level desperation food for me
17:59 < sphertext__> kale is no nutritious
17:59 < sphertext__> never fade kale
17:59 < L29Ah> never seen kale sold anywhere
18:00 < L29Ah> thought it's just a growth stage of green cabbage or smth when i happened to pass by a field of it
18:02 < fenn> it's the same species
18:03 < sphertext__> apparently 10:1 ratio of dry:raw for kale 
18:05 < sphertext__> 30 currencies for 1kg organic kale powder. so 0.3 currencies for equivalent of 100g raw kale 
18:06 < sphertext__> currently paying 0.4 for 100g raw kale
18:06 < sphertext__> so not worth it 
18:06 < sphertext__> damn 
18:06 < fenn> but what about your bunker
18:07 < sphertext__> oh i have a Huel stash for that 
18:07 < fenn> now we're talking about scams
18:07 < sphertext__> no way i love huel 
18:07 < L29Ah> huel sounds like you decided to buy yourself a bunker and spent everything on bunker food instead
18:11 < fenn> flax powder doesn't sound very bunker proof
18:12 < fenn> i'd rather have no omega-3 than rancid omega-3
18:13 < sphertext__> data showed there was no detectable increase in oxidative markers in blood after ingesting rancid omega3
18:13 < fenn> they claim it lasts 6 months after opening
18:14 < sphertext__> i think i've had it open for longer 
18:14 < fenn> i don't need any data to tell me not to eat rancid omega-3
18:21 < L29Ah> rancidity isn't binary
18:22 < L29Ah> but yes, intact flaxseed is preferable
18:22 < L29Ah> or properly stored flaxseed oil
18:22 < L29Ah> and in case of flaxseed you need to grind or otherwise cook it somehow, and i found this annoying
18:24 < sphertext__> you can make nice pittas with ground flaxseed
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