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03:25 < sphertext__> so a couple of cgm manufacturers (dexcom and freestyle) offer a free 10 or 14 days trial. you tell them you have type 1 diabetes and they ship you a free cgm. 
03:26 < sphertext__> problem solved. most likely 10 days will be enough for my purpose 
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11:36 < hprmbridge> Eli> In Russia, former strippers with 22 children who’s baby daddies are in jail for murder still look great. Someone from these life extension foundations needs to study Eastern European women.. It must be the borscht.
11:37 < hprmbridge> Eli> Cristian and Galip Plus 22. Get TLC on the phone,
11:49 < L29Ah> 02:34:38]<sphertext> does anyone know how difficult it is to set up a company and obtain licence for purchasing chemicals?
11:49 < L29Ah> in .ru there's no such thing: whoever can get whatever except a narrow list of specific substances involved in the manufacture of certain psychoactive substances; some companies only deal with companies (due to taxing difficulties of dealing with persons) and any legal entity with a bank account will do for them; i guess when trading with companies from abroad one doesn't even need a company, since onl
11:49 < L29Ah> y domestic purchases are taxable
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17:19 < sphertext> L29Ah that's fascinating insight, thanks. i forget that russia exists even further outside western jurisdiction, compared to china. do you think the language barrier is a problem when dealing with their suppliers (e.g browsing their catalogs)? and what about quality control? russia has a poor track record of publishing alleged research on compounds like emoxypine, which are actually placebos. they have a lot of institutional corruption. 
17:19 < sphertext> still, it would be nice to find a way around the western regulatory system as well. it's a lot more practical to order from domestic suppliers
17:22 < fenn> DoD watched stargate SG1 and thought swarms of murderbots was a good idea https://www.defense.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/3517213/deputy-secretary-of-defense-kathleen-hicks-remarks-unpacking-the-replicator-ini/
17:24 < fenn> "we've set a big goal for Replicator: to field attritable autonomous systems at a scale of multiple thousands, in multiple domains, within the next 18-to-24 months."
17:26 < superkuh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fa9lVwHHqg related short scifi
17:32 < fenn> .t
17:32 < EmmyNoether> Horror Short Film “Slaughterbots” | ALTER - YouTube
17:32 < fenn> yep
17:32 < fenn> my concern exactly
17:32 < L29Ah> sphertext: i'd expect most of fine chemicals in .ru being imported from china these days; no idea wrt quality control, had no obvious problems with it myself
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17:56  * fenn re-reads https://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/the-pentagon-is-building-a-selfaware-killer-robot-army-fueled-by-social-media/
18:23 < fenn> "many consider that human dignity makes it ethically permissible only for a human to intentionally kill another human"
18:23 < fenn> ah the all-purpose human dignity concept, showing its incredible flexibility yet again
18:23 < fenn> will somebody please think of the children's dignity
18:25 < L29Ah> sphertext: russian FDA's counterpart is a lot less stringent, and lots of shitty meds that don't work get into doctors' curriculums, for example, yes
18:26 < fenn> dying seems to be the only dignified action
18:26 < L29Ah> no idea about the language barrier, basic things like substance names are trivial to translate
18:27 < L29Ah> and certainly machine translation between english and russian work better than between english and chinese
18:27 < sphertext> well chinese labs have an english version usually 
18:28 < L29Ah> .ru is mostly domestic-oriented
18:28 < sphertext> as they actively want to attract business from the west. russians don't really give af about it 
18:28 < L29Ah> indeed, this is kinda sad
18:29 < L29Ah> the echo of the iron curtain i guess
18:30 < sphertext> yes and no. i think there are upsides to it 
18:47 < fenn> "On September 26, 1983, a Soviet automated missile alert system reported the launch of five U.S. intercontinental ballistic missiles at the Soviet Union. Per Soviet doctrine, the military officer on duty was required to report the attack to higher headquarters. The officer on duty, however, Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov, judged that a U.S. first strike consisting of only five missiles was
18:47 < fenn> nonsensical and likely an error in the new computer system. Rather than report a U.S. attack, he reported a system malfunction."
18:48 < fenn> here's to 40 more years of not blowing up the world
18:49 < sphertext> "Mexican cartels are fifth-largest employers in the country, study finds". always fascinating how cartels end up sourcing the talent that can clandestinely build autonomous submarines and shit. 
18:51 < L29Ah> it's not like autonomous submarines are beyond an american hobbyist's reach
18:52 < sphertext> perhaps, but still. it's probably beyond the reach of the average ghetto gang kid 
19:17 < sphertext> bro the Food Standards Agency can access your ISP internet logs without a warrant in the UK
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20:01 < NewtonTrendy> anyone want to jon ##longevity
20:03 < NewtonTrendy> sphertext: do you have proof they can access your logs, because i heard about these deep packet inspection computers that cost like 250,000 in 2008 and worked like a prism
20:08 < sphertext> NewtonTrendy can you give me ownership of ##longevity 
20:09 < sphertext> i want to change it from an ironic channel, to one that is research-oriented 
20:09 < sphertext> NewtonTrendy there is literally in UK law that they can access DNS requests and IP connection logs 
20:10 < sphertext> the ISP has to store the logs for 6 months or 1 year, I forget 
20:10 < fenn> gotta protect the people from nonstandard food terrorists
20:10 < sphertext> and there is a comically large number of arbitrary UK organisations which can request that data from the ISP without a warrant 
20:10 < sphertext> lol fenn 
20:10 < fenn> i ordered this without pickles!!!
20:12 < sphertext> i wonder how practical it is to do routine blood work at home? if you were able to obtain the reagents etc. 
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20:52 < fenn> .t https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.11173
20:52 < EmmyNoether> [2208.11173] The Alberta Plan for AI Research
20:54 < fenn> https://fennetic.net/whisper/carmack/AMII_Partnership_Announcement_and_Fireside_Chat_with_John_Carmack_aM7F5kuMjRA.edited_formatted.txt
20:54 < fenn> one of these decades i'll figure out diarization
21:44 < sphertext> i made a jupyter notebook once that would download a podcast and automatically speed up one of the speakers (e.g the host), while leaving the other speaker at normal playaback speed 
21:45 < sphertext> some crypto lord suggested they would pay a lot of money if someone did that for the lex friedman podcast (apparently the host is notoriously boring and speaks at an unbearably slow pace). i never listened to that podcast, i just coded the thing. never got any money x(
21:46 < sphertext> but i just used some pre-trained model, i have no idea how the math works 
21:51 < fenn> i'm trying to figure out how to even judge whether a summary is good or bad
21:51 < fenn> like maybe i'm just incapable of deciding whether something is important or not
21:52 < fenn> or maybe a lot more intelligence goes into deciding that something is important than is present in language models
21:52 < sphertext> i didn't realise diarization is also used by LLMs. i thought it was only used in classifying different voices 
21:53 < fenn> whisper large-v2 seems to kinda putter out at the end. maybe i need to make sure to put it into word by word mode for long transcripts
21:54 < fenn> it just loses entire sentences, which is bad. it does still do a good job on the words it transcribes, but i don't know why it's losing so much
21:55 < fenn> diarization is just labeling who said what
21:55 < fenn> an LLM can kinda figure it out from context, but will often be wrong, as will a human
22:02 < sphertext> that's why i really don't understand the hype around AI. why would I want to use a computer if it will make mistakes that I can't even debug? for me, that's the whole entire point in using a machine: verifiable determinism. 
22:03 < sphertext> the whole stochastic hallucination thing defies the whole purpose imo 
22:04 < sphertext> except as an amusing curiosity or to generate spam 
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23:50 < kanzure> "Rebuilding the habitable zone from the bottom up with computational zones" https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.16111
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