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04:10 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://github.com/Extropians/Extropy/blob/master/Extropy%231-%2317-ocr.pdf
05:28 < hprmbridge> kanzure> joint type classification https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1162366132980813885/signal-2023-10-13-07-07-12-915.png?ex=653bacd1&is=652937d1&hm=5c3934a033589da862dd26ffd956590c3e9dc468bde122c0f8e3bde9bbcf8f7d&
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08:25 < kanzure> this article makes an interesting point that humans have various accumulated mutations and differ from a 'one true genome' anyway https://answersingenesis.org/genetics/biblical-boundaries-human-gene-editing/ (although it's kind of buried in there as a sub-point)
08:43 < ike8> I haven't seen Answers in Genesis since I was a kid. Takes me back.
08:56 < darsie> .tell test990 1234
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09:21 < ike8> tested
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10:49 < docl> ike8: yeah I was kind of steeped in it as a kid. took me until my early 20s to admit evolution made more sense
10:52 < docl> kanzure: I think orgs like that try to make valid points against mainstream secular views (like bioethicists) where they can because it makes their outrageous beliefs look more credible
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15:11 < fenn> .ety procreation
15:11 < EmmyNoether> "procreation (n.)late 14c., procreacioun, 'process of begetting offspring, generation and production of young,' from Old French procreacion (14c., Modern French prócreation) and directly from Latin procreationem (nominative procreatio) 'a begetting, generation,' noun of action from past-participle stem of procrear..." - https://www.etymonline.com/word/procreation
15:12 < fenn> .ety reproduction
15:12 < EmmyNoether> "reproduction (n.)1650s, 'act of forming again,' noun of action from reproduce. Of living organisms, 'process by which new individuals are generated and species perpetuated,' by 1782. The meaning 'process of reproducing sounds' is by 1908. The meaning 'a copy, a counterpart' is from 1807; in 20c. especially 'some..." - https://www.etymonline.com/word/reproduction
15:12 < fenn> .gpt4 is there really a connotative difference between procreation and reproduction?
15:13 < gptpaste> ​Yes, there is a connotative difference between procreation and reproduction. Procreation often refers specifically to human beings having children, and it carries a more personal or emotional connotation. It's often used in discussions about family, parenthood, or moral and ethical issues related to birth.Reproduction, on the other hand, is a broader term that can be app - https://bin.gy/blemprowns
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15:20 < kanzure> https://github.com/PWhiddy/PokemonRedExperiments
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17:31 < docl> pretty sure they're saying 'procreation' has 'creation' in the word so it has better propaganda qualities for creationism, kind of like a pun
17:49 < fenn> "For example, molecular biophysicist Joshua Zayner seized media attention in 2017 by injecting CRISPR-edited DNA into his arms in hopes of promoting muscle growth."
17:49 < fenn> something like that...
17:52 < fenn> has anyone looked at chris masterjohn's "health super unlocks" stuff? it's paywalled, but he's a smart cat, so might be worth reading. seems to be mostly about full genome sequencing and metabolic analysis https://chrismasterjohnphd.substack.com/p/unlocking-performance-and-longevity
17:52 < fenn> the theory is that rare metabolic diseases are more common than we'd expect, since there are simply so many little ways things can go wrong, but still not be fatal
17:54 < hprmbridge> kanzure> is this the one that jrayhawk keeps linking and we have ignored for the last 10 years
17:54 < fenn> probably not, since jrayhawk usually talks about metabolic analysis, not the genetics sleuthing part
17:55 < fenn> he does link to chris masterjohn a lot
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18:12 < fenn> what will the creationists do when it turns out that removing all the mutational load results in superhumans
18:14 < fenn> "offspring never have been able to consent to their genetic lot. But then, neither do parents naturally have any conscious say in determining their descendants’ DNA." <- this is obviously and trivially wrong
18:18 < L29Ah> how about removing all the viral load?
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18:27 < fenn> remove all limiters. release the humans!
18:33 < fenn> i feel like i am grading a term paper
18:33 < fenn> minus two marks for considering "but eugenics!" a valid argument
19:13 < fenn> alright i don't know why i read the whole thing, but i did
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19:14 < fenn> the answers in genesis stuff seems primarily useful for bible thumpers to know where they should draw the lines, because it can be confusing and complicated
19:16 < fenn> it's not very well argued. you can see the cracks showing
19:21 < L29Ah> do you ever talk with actual creationist meatbags?
19:23 < fenn> i rarely talk to meatbags
19:23 < fenn> how would i know if they're creationists?
19:27 < fenn> "after creating humans, God called everything he had made *very good*"
19:27 < fenn> this is funny
19:28 < fenn> what if god had said "meh"
19:28 < fenn> "good enough. whatever."
19:29 < L29Ah> maybe there aren't actual creationists anymore, just a few propaganda machines using the image of vast creationist masses influencing policies and stuff
19:29 < fenn> i, for one, support putting yourself out there, publishing creative results even if they aren't perfect
19:29 < fenn> L29Ah: for what purpose?
19:30 < fenn> i think there really are enormous swathes of the middle part of USA that are literal bible thumping creationists, the world is 500 years old or whatever
19:30 < L29Ah> funding the corrupt globalist health system
19:31 < fenn> it's a zombie machine running on its own?
19:31 < fenn> if we don't develop healthcare technology, even the rich won't have healthcare
19:31 < L29Ah> sure it's not, needs some lobbyists pouring monies and meatbags developing policies
19:31 < fenn> the machine is made out of meat
19:31 < fenn> there's nobody at the helm (that's my hypothetical anyway)
19:32 < fenn> an enlightened self interested puppetmaster would encourage healthcare technology, because it personally benefits them
19:33 < L29Ah> the rich who are controlling the current big health aren't the rich who care about immortality
19:33 < L29Ah> immortality seems like a taboo topic among the top richest people actually
19:33 < fenn> are they stupid or just bible thumpers?
19:33 < fenn> do you want to die, motherfucker?
19:34 < fenn> it's all fun and games until you're 80 years old and can't wipe your own ass
19:34 < fenn> you'd expect the top richest people to also be elderly and experiencing daily pain and indignity of aging
19:35 < L29Ah> i admit that's not a very consistent point, i just had to play devil's advocate: why would anyone be a creationist (= intellectually lazy) and a political activist at the same time?
19:36 < fenn> i could imagine a scenario where pharma funnels money into rabble rousing organizations to prevent loss of future profits
19:36 < fenn> and no single human is in charge or gets the big picture
19:49 < hprmbridge> kanzure> okay well funnel into lessdeathism or something
19:52 < fenn> sphertext_: another new kind of security vulnerability, although it's only a proof of concept https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8UN9n1XoAAaW0v.jpg
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21:38 < docl> messing around with a prompt format where I feed it fake words (using unicode characters to ensure it's treated as garbage and not a misspelling of something) and let it hallucinate their definition to describe in intricate technical detail. kind of entertaining: https://pad.riseup.net/p/mgGaUfMWs3LH6fTmNTXZ
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