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04:35 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/10/30/fact-sheet-president-biden-issues-executive-order-on-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-artificial-intelligence/
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10:16 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Looking for good hearing aid recommendations for my old dad. Seems like tech should be $25-100 usd at this point, but the "best of 2023" lists I've seen so far put the "good" entry level at like $1500
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10:33 < docl> you'd think modern earbuds like airpod would work fine, but they don't tend to have a mic. a workaround some people apparently use is to use the phone's mic to listen and play it into an earbud.
10:35 < redlegion> I'm sure the device classification is just another FDA gatekeeping tactic to bankroll more application fees.
10:36 < docl> ok apparently airpod pro has a mic so you can use that directly
10:36 < docl> https://www.soundguys.com/how-to-set-up-your-apple-airpods-pro-as-hearing-aids-85802/
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11:29 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I guess this needs iPhone?
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14:10 < hprmbridge> kanzure> any good presentations from balaji's network state conference today?
14:11 < docl> @nzm787 that's probably a good guess given it's apple. I'm not an audio guy but my guess is there could (really should) be alternatives on the market that ship with a mic and have a mode you can enable (via bluetooth or something?)
14:11 < docl> stipa: you're an audio geek, do you happen to know if there's a decent cheap earbud-mic that works well for a hearing aid?
14:15 < stipa> docl: i wouldn't know, do you maybe have in mind to amplify the signal that the mic picks up and replay it through the speaker in the earbud?
14:17 < stipa> i guess earbuds are represented to the phone or PC as a sound card or something similar via bluetooth 
14:17 < stipa> you could patch signals and amplify via phone or PC 
14:18 < stipa> with linux it's easy if the earbud driver is functional
14:18 < docl> stipa: yeah,apparently airpod does this fine but nmz787 is looking for something $25-100 and probably not apple
14:19 < stipa> yeah, if the earbud has driver for mic and speaker in it visible to a linux machine you could patch signals via JACK
14:19 < stipa> like, take the mic signal, amplify it and send to the earbud speaker
14:21 < docl> makes sense. I guess any noise canceling bud already works partly like this (produces a canceling wave to what the mic picks up) so the difference should just be software. massive oversight if they haven't already added that
14:21 < stipa> it could be that some earbuds have functionality to hear the environment by default
14:21 < stipa> and you could amplify that easily, but i dunno
14:25 < stipa> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/i9iw5p/linux_and_bluetooth_earbuds/?rdt=43850
14:26 < stipa> when you get total control over mic and earbuds via a driver you can do whatever you want
14:26 < stipa> i mean, mic and a speaker inside of an earbud*
14:28 < docl> huh, I see a bunch of $20 range earbuds with built in mic on walmart's site
14:29 < stipa> yeah, do a research if those are stable on linux
14:29 < stipa> don't buy anything that has 0 facts about it working on linux
14:31 < stipa> if you really want something try to find chips that are in earbuds you want and search by chips for available drivers for linux
14:31 < stipa> that could work
14:32 < stipa> you could go cheap that way
14:33 < stipa> because you've got rebranded buds with the same chips inside 
14:33 < stipa> that means the same linux driver probably works on all of them 
14:35 < stipa> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/pine64-open-source-pinebuds-wireless-ear-buds
14:36 < stipa> https://pine64.com/product/pinebuds-pro-open-firmware-capable-anc-wireless-earbuds/
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14:52 < stipa> those could maybe be even set in firmware the way you want it 
14:52 < stipa> without the additional machine doing the signals patching
14:53 < stipa> that is my guessing about it all, never tried it
14:58 < stipa> https://kumarvinay.com/how-to-enable-bluetooth-headset-microphone-support-in-ubuntu-20-04/
15:02 < stipa> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/hwd06n/bluetooth_headsets_that_work_with_linux/
15:02 < stipa> https://amcrouch.medium.com/configuring-sony-wf-1000xm3-bluetooth-earbuds-on-linux-f3079eafb0f8
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17:36 < fenn> ok here is the actual executive order text (why was this so hard to find?) https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/30/executive-order-on-the-safe-secure-and-trustworthy-development-and-use-of-artificial-intelligence/
17:37 < fenn> don't worry guys, the president spent an hour on this
17:47 < kanzure> math bad https://twitter.com/DavidVorick/status/1719097248699879831
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18:13 < NewtonPumpkin> Hey does anyone know if theres a biological reason why something said without knowing you'd hear it, if you 100% cant 100% know for a fact what it means or not? because the conversational item is unique to the person perhaps? does not contain a point for your brain to latch to the conversationor sommething. Further i think some people, even lots, expect many people are listening all the time
18:13 < NewtonPumpkin> or in specific circumstances, so you can understand them talking to someone else for example. If they are talking to someone else, i know practically you'd understand the meaning of maybe most things in todays world, but in a perfect scientific environment with no external factors, is it the case that the meaning was not given with your conscious known as listening so there may be like some
18:13 < NewtonPumpkin> element of it you cant understand. I think if they then explain to you, you do get the meaning. (im trying to ignore time factors and im trying to advance the is everything alive debate, its a subject i dont know academically and i dont know the professional terms).
18:14 < NewtonPumpkin> seems you cant 100% know anyway, its an imperfect universe, and im not just talking about modern understanding of "its clicked".
18:20 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Stipa docl my dad complains how google is too cheap and lazy to publish "a book" on how to use his android phone... I'm not sure if trying to move him to iphone would be better or worse. "Linux" is a non starter. I guess the cost of the materials is a lot less than the cost of dummyproofing something for an old person. Hmm. It's hard to put a price on not yelling at my dad whenever i want to
18:20 < hprmbridge> nmz787> converse
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21:06 < docl> just weird to me that essentially similar devices sell for $15 and $1500
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