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00:04 < fenn> "
00:04 < fenn> Are you suggesting that Microsoft has an angel chained up in the basement?"
00:04 < fenn> won't be long now
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00:17 < fenn> or not?
00:17 < fenn> .t https://twitter.com/OpenAI/status/1727206187077370115
00:17 < fenn> let's see if any of these bots work
00:22 < fenn> "Sam Altman to return to OpenAI as CEO with a new initial board of Bret Taylor (Chair), Larry Summers, and Adam D'Angelo."
00:22 < fenn> "Thank you so much for your patience through this."
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01:41 < hprmbridge> Eli> why do that?
01:54 < fenn> because the alternative was completely stupid and worse for everyone
01:55 < fenn> (except microsoft)
01:59 < jrayhawk> https://neuralink.com/patient-registry/
02:00 < jrayhawk> "quadriplegia, paraplegia, vision loss, hearing loss, the inability to speak, and/or major limb amputation"
02:01 < fenn> that's a lot of different modalities to start with
02:02 < jrayhawk> a lot of different public relations wins
02:03 < fenn> assuming they win
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03:05 < fenn> 3d textured mesh from a single image https://dreamgaussian.github.io/
04:03 < fenn> dunno what this means but it sounds scary https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/11/ftc-authorizes-compulsory-process-ai-related-products-services
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07:15 < kanzure> "There may be a reason that more detailed Feynman references haven’t been found: copyright. His papers are difficult to access (by appointment only to those “conducting research for which it is necessary”), not digitized, and you’re not allowed to reproduce them without permission from the Caltech (‘California Institute of Technology’) archives and his heirs. Thus, everything in ...
07:15 < kanzure> ...their archives is apparently still on paper & undigitized, in this year of our lord 2023, despite being one of the most important & popular Nobelist physicists of all time whose apparently quite comprehensive papers* are stored in the archives of one of the wealthiest & most high-tech institutes in the world. As usual, copyright is why we can’t have nice things."
07:17 < kanzure> from https://gwern.net/maze "there was a long-standing debate over how rats ran mazes and how to control sensory leakage, but that this literature is little-cited & now highly obscure"
07:27 < kanzure> ehhhh why not just pursue their living relatives instead https://gwern.net/embryo-selection#glue-robbers-sequencing-nobelists-using-collectible-letters
07:28 < kanzure> "(Helpfully, RR Auction includes categories like “Intellectuals” & “Scientists and Inventors”.) In another example, a lot of 10 letters, with envelopes from Erwin Schrodinger, John von Neumann, Norbert Wiener, & Albert Szent-Györgyi, no less, sold for just sold for $5000 (so perhaps $1250 per). The bulk of memorabilia have quite low price points (possibly less than, say, the cost of ...
07:28 < kanzure> ...recruiting a participant to a project like UK Biobank), and only the cheapest artifacts with likely-usable DNA need be purchased, and one can select people from the whole of human history, so the lowest relevant prices are lower still"
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11:06 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/cY3wBXoJoeHXJ7XYt/the-community-manifesto
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11:15 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://twitter.com/QiaochuYuan/status/1726850485695721936
12:37 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Workshop mouseproofing and mineral wool insulation https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1176984880920408245/PXL_20231122_202808118.PANO.jpg?ex=6570db96&is=655e6696&hm=46ed4b3ea51cd5735169f7925e1b828e8be885a666da14bcc01853610dd26f03&
12:38 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Fenn you might have enjoyed stuffing steel wool into the gaps between the siding boards
12:38 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Just at the bottom, though it looks like I'll need to do the same in some places up top too
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14:12 < jrayhawk> not sure what we are meant to gather from that twitter thread other than that rationalist beliefs and behaviors are broadly out of alignment with natural human intuitions/feelings/emotions and practically require extreme psychological dissociation
14:18 < hprmbridge> kanzure> dunno, just further public evidence to point to
14:26 < jrayhawk> i guess that might not have been common knowledge in 2018
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14:33 < jrayhawk> okay, yeah, i guess it was 2020 when the periphery started realizing it https://rivalvoices.substack.com/p/fuck-it-we-ball-on-rats-pos 
14:33 < jrayhawk> and 2021 when the core userbase started to integrate that information https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7NCcvzF3NqrWTxEFz/forcing-yourself-to-keep-your-identity-small-is-self-harm
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15:25 < hprmbridge> kanzure> welcome new users.
15:41 < docl> EY's writing about how his brother shouldn't have died helped me solidify the feeling that it's the world that's wrong about this, not transhumanists who want to fix the problem
15:42 < docl> not sure what to make of QC calling that out
15:46 < docl> sure there are mental costs to choosing to care about something, and maybe wisdom in carefully not calling any loss infinite, but uh. stuff does matter
15:46 < hprmbridge> kanzure> what did he mean by "the voice"?
15:47 < docl> I'm not sure, possibly some kind of trance state he noticed while doing math
15:50 < hprmbridge> kanzure> oh, not just some magical bene gesserit thing
15:54 < docl> nah I think he's talking about "sounding smart" or maybe "reality distortion field"
15:54 < docl> https://twitter.com/QiaochuYuan/status/1726884670992945588
16:56 < muurkha> docl: Questionable Content?
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18:36 < jrayhawk> whoops, my 404'd link should have been https://rivalvoices.substack.com/p/fuck-it-we-ball-on-rats-postrats
19:25 < docl> muurkha: no, QC = QiaochuYuan
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19:52 < muurkha> oh
19:53 < muurkha> shouldn't that be QY?  or QCY?
20:10 < docl> well it's QC in his display name so I guess he goes by that
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23:02 < fenn> 'if you can convince someone that doing a thing is infinitely good or infinitely bad you can control their behavior pretty much arbitrarily. you can get them to do things that look completely insane to an outside observer. this is itself a kind of parable about "alignment"'
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