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03:54 < hprmbridge> kanzure> beffjezos doxxed https://archive.ph/ZiEWM
03:58 < fenn> was it really a secret tho https://twitter.com/BasedBeffJezos/status/1604259474638012416
04:04 < hprmbridge> kanzure> hm?
04:07 < fenn> "Revealing the name behind an anonymous account of public note is not “doxxing,”" says the journalist doing the doxxing
04:07 < fenn> fuck you Emily Baker-White
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13:06 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Why do people care about that person? What's he done for the world?
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15:27 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Well the personas done nothing much but the guy himself I recognise from some papers on quantum energy teleportation and quantum machine learning
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15:31 < Jay_Dugger> Hello, everyone.
15:33 < muurkha> h
15:35 < docl> howdy
15:41 < docl> apparently beff is doing work on geometric data storage, which I take to be something like lining up long conductive molecules in a solution and having the connections represent data
15:57 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Huh hadn't looked at geometric data storage before
16:34 < docl> actually that search term seems to be something else from what I think beff is working on (which per his realname twitter is hardware, supposed to be cheap, non quantum, non transistor)
16:39 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Is it memsistor related?
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17:09 < docl> I don't think so
19:07 < fenn> "lining up long conductive molecules in a solution and having the connections represent data" sounds like a liquid state memristor
19:19 < docl> might be a category of that. this is something I overheard, don't want to be leaking if it's supposed to be confidential
19:20 < fenn> well it's about damn time
19:21 < fenn> we've been hearing about memristors forever and somehow nothing actually makes it to market
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20:05 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Hysteresis is a big issue once you get past the materials science integration with your existing fab processes
20:24 < docl> hmm. seems unrealistic/extreme but if I take 2 memory cells (1 million bits each) and connect 1 million tiny wires between the cells, if the wires can reach any bits, the number of possible wirings is going to be 1 trillion bits, right?
20:28 < fenn> i imagine you'd have to periodically refresh each memory cell
20:29 < fenn> also these can be used directly for neural network computations in a crossbar switch
20:33 < docl> I'm picturing this as a way to store model weights as read only memory. 2 MB -> 1 TB.
20:37 < fenn> ctrl-F for "crossbar architecture" https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xwBuoE9p8GE7RAuhd/brain-efficiency-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know
20:38 < fenn> if you have 1 million wires running in one direction and 1 million wires running in the other direction, there will be 1 million^2 intersections, each containing a memory cell, which probably needs about 4 bits worth of analog precision
20:38 < fenn> maybe less tho
20:39 < fenn> you write to the cell by running more current through it than used for sensing
20:39 < fenn> after some number of reads, the total integral of current used for sensing has added up enough to change the value of the resistance, so you need to re-write it
20:41 < fenn> it's not clear to me from the description of beff's technology whether the long molecules in solution are the intersection goop, or the crossbar wiring
20:41 < fenn> it could work either way i guess
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22:17 < docl> general principle I had in mind is you can map 2 2d grids to each other using the third dimension. so the wires could connect any 2 cells, and the pick of which cell connects to which other one is the information content for the read only memory system.
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22:53 < docl> hmm. on a larger scale this seems like something one could have done with old tech. take 1k of memory switches and connect with a tangle of wires to a different 1k of memory to get 1M of ROM.
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