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02:28 < hprmbridge> kanzure> welcome @judd42
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08:51 < kanzure> this ought to be archived by an archivist https://reprap.org/forum/index.php
08:52 < kanzure> and https://reprap.org/wiki
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13:26 < Ashstar>  did you know the famous Greek philosopher n Cynic Diogenes was caught one day by his disciple, masturbating. when his student was like: "What are you doing, master?" Diogenes said: "I wish I could solve my hunger by rubbing my belly"
13:31 < muurkha> it's such a well-known story it's in his Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes#Athens
13:44 < Ashstar> Im sure it is widely known
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14:19 < Lando-SpacePimp> Hats for bats.
14:19 < Lando-SpacePimp> Keep bats warm.
14:29 < TMA> Ashstar: it was reportedly in reaction to a new law that forbade eating food in the agora
14:30 < TMA> Ashstar: the modern equivalent is the "no public drinking unless the booze is in a brown bag"
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14:37 < muurkha> source?
14:38 < Ashstar> yes
14:39 < Ashstar> he was fairly blatant, but I thought he was more discret than to do it publicly in the Agora
14:39 < muurkha> no
14:40 < Ashstar> no, what?
14:40 < Ashstar> he was once a "slave" his dad was suspected of forgerie
14:41 < Ashstar> in Militas
14:41 < Ashstar> I think
14:42 < muurkha> no
14:42 < Ashstar> what
14:44 < Ashstar> or was that, hm, https://www.grunge.com/1185400/diogenes-the-strange-story-of-platos-rival/
14:44 < muurkha> well, I guess he was sold into slavery, I didn't remember that.  and currency debasement is pretty similar to forgery from the perspective of his contemporaries
14:45 < Ashstar> yep
14:45 < Ashstar> his father was from Sinope
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15:44 < hprmbridge> nmz787> fenn I spent the last night and this morning/afternoon screwing with BLE programs in Python as well as creating a "simple" program in Android Studio... thanks to you leaving a "elegoo robot car kit" here that Ben and I built (he was very excited and happy that I came across it in the workshop)
15:45 < hprmbridge> nmz787> and I can say, BLE seems more trouble than I want to deal with. Even the Python program is buggy... though I'm not sure if it's on the Python or the Arduino side of things (the robot car uses an Arduino Uno, with an HC-08 BLE module that basically looks like a serial port to the Arduino)
15:46 < hprmbridge> nmz787> luckily GPT4 was able to help me with most if not all of the Android Studio code (well, it helped with the Python side too). I wish it was less lazy about just taking the final Python code and converting it wholly into Android Studio (Kotlin language) code... but alas, I had to squeeze answers out of it one function at a time :/
15:46 < hprmbridge> nmz787> lazy AI is mindblowing
15:47 < hprmbridge> nmz787> anyway, I guess next I'll play with getting the ESP32 module I have to talk to the RFID reader
15:51 < juri_> yeah, it's clear it doesn't want to do stuff anymore. i suspect too many college students were using it for homework, and someone complained.
15:52 < muurkha> nmz787: lazy AI is doing a better imitation of the humans than industrious AI!
15:52 < muurkha> have you tried self-hosting?
15:52 < juri_> I'm trying to use it as a programming assistant.. and it is lazy, and has no sense of spatial reasoning.
15:53 < hprmbridge> nmz787> No but work has access to their containerized azure instances and they're just as lazy
15:53 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Yeah I guess lazy AI is a better approximation of human intelligence :/
15:53 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Friggin alignment
15:55 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I mean, i did basically no work with the android porting of the python code other than passing back prompts like "this line Xxx gave this error message Yyy" and it would be all like "oh yeah that's for some old API, here's the IF statement to check which API version and use the appropriate methods".
15:55 < hprmbridge> nmz787>
15:55 < hprmbridge> nmz787> And then telling it "i have no idea how to deal with your comment about //Bluetooth scanning code goes here" and then it would provide the code
15:56 < hprmbridge> nmz787> But like, at the verrrry beginning it prefixed everything with some bogus "implementing Bluetooth communication is complex so here's a skeleton code with too many comments as placeholders for me doing work now"
15:57 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I'm sure it would have saved watts if it'd just did it's best effort to begin with
15:59 < muurkha> nmz787: I've seen some people running things like CodeLLama locally, sometimes on CPU
15:59 < juri_> I've got mixtral8x7b local. it's pretty simple.
15:59 < juri_> (on CPU)
15:59 < muurkha> juri_: cool!  what have you been using it for, and how well does it work?
16:00 < juri_> same thing i'm using gpt4 for. i just copy and paste the prompts.
16:00 < juri_> it isn't lazy, but it's not as smart. i like getting two opinions for the price of a copy and paste.
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16:12 < muurkha> hmm
16:25 < juri_> mixtral "knows" it's not as smart. chatgpt is costrained to within an inch of being useless.
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17:27 < fenn> i haven't noticed any increase in laziness on GPT-4 API, but i believe it's real for chatGPT users
17:28 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Huh, interesting, the API is cheaper too. But I'd lose all my existing conversations if i stopped paying  , and would lose the easy access on any of my devices
17:29 < fenn> also you don't get any of the fancy plugins or code sandboxing stuff
17:29 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Is it possible to increase the context of the open models like mixtral?
17:30 < fenn> uh it's already like 200k max
17:30 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I'd like 512k or so
17:30 < fenn> dunno
17:30 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Or 1024 even for comfort
17:30 < hprmbridge> nmz787> For some day job work idea stuff
17:30 < fenn> at that point you're better off doing retrieval augmented generation
17:31 < fenn> more stuff = more distraction
17:32 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I want to be able to shove in huge CSVs and ask questions about them
17:32 < hprmbridge> nmz787> But the CSVs are way bigger than the prompt limits
17:32 < fenn> i haven't tried anything remotely like that
17:32 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I even tried some tokenization compression
17:33 < hprmbridge> nmz787> But it was still too large
17:33 < hprmbridge> nmz787> And apparently gpt4 128k suffers from bad recall above like 56k or something like that
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21:02 < Lando-SpacePimp> Hats for bats.
21:02 < Lando-SpacePimp> Keep bats warm.
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21:04 < docl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fytGL8vzGeQ
21:05 < docl> How Lisp is designing Nanotechnology (with Prof. Christian Schafmeister)
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