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02:01 < hprmbridge> kanzure> here's one https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Automatic%20generation%20of%20assembly%20instructions%20using%20STEP.pdf
02:02 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Automating%20component-based%20system%20assembly.pdf
02:02 < hprmbridge> kanzure> automatic maintenance instructions https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Automating%20maintenance%20instructions%20study.pdf
02:12 < fenn> gee the content of this paper sounds familiar. i never saw it when at UT austin https://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/Port-compatibility%20and%20connectability%20based%20assembly%20design.pdf
02:13 < fenn> https://fennetic.net/portfolio/lego_snapping2.png
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07:11 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.butterflynetwork.com/press-releases/fda-clearance-butterfly-iq3
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10:14 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "we live in the kind of civilization where it's unthinkable to do the sensible thing and just start with humans. so we have to wait for them to finish the cow trials first and even that probably will result in human use being banned"
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10:27 < pasky> what is that about? surely not the ultrasound?
10:28 < hprmbridge> kanzure> wombtech
10:31 < pasky> hm, couldn't google it but if it is what I think, to me that falls into the (not so wide) class of techs it'd be sensible to try on other large mammals first ... if not for any other reason, then because of the type of the risk that is the impact on the parents
10:35 < docl> serious question, if we can build lighter than air permanent structures, what's the governance implications? similar to maritime? does it depend on the altitude?
10:36 < docl> like if I'm hovering 100km above NYC do I have to worry about their zoning laws
11:36 < hprmbridge> kanzure> hasn't been done before, so you can write the rules.
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12:33 < Ashstar> docl, ozoning laws
12:43 < Betawolf> maybe -- your house would be a form of air pollution
13:03 < hprmbridge> kanzure> we should just use effortless memorization as the proxy capability to optimize in humans, and move on
13:27 < hprmbridge> nmz787> "According to Allen, he and Gates would go dumpster diving during their teenage years for computer program code."  from wikipedia
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13:45 < hprmbridge> nmz787> heard about this on NPR a few nights ago:
13:45 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_P._v._Riles
13:45 < hprmbridge> nmz787>
13:45 < hprmbridge> nmz787> "The appeal court further banned the use of IQ tests on African-American children." (in California)
13:45 < hprmbridge> nmz787> basically IQ test was developed without any racial variety
14:20 < L29Ah> doesn't look impactful: just make classes for retarded by default and only let those who opt in to go into the more advanced ones 
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16:36 < hprmbridge> nmz787> It's interesting because of, for example, all the mentions of IQ in this channel
16:37 < hprmbridge> nmz787> "such and such gene raises the IQ of the cohort by X on avg"
16:38 < hprmbridge> nmz787> It's interesting to wonder, is the cohort matched in terms of racial and socioeconomic status to the IQ base? Or mismatched? If IQ is not really testing general/non-acquired intelligence, then do all these genetic studies get undermined?
16:39 < hprmbridge> kanzure> I'd be happy with general cognitive ability improvement even if it didn't show up on IQ scores
16:39 < hprmbridge> kanzure> In fact, one that adds capability but lowers IQ score would be interesting
17:33 < fenn> no moon landing for astrobotic :(
17:33 < fenn> propellant leak i guess
17:33 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Maybe something along the lines of brain damage induced savantism
17:34 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Would be a good initial case study for that
17:35 < fenn> only in an "emergency" - read deepness in the sky again
17:36 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> That good? Gotta give it a read
17:45 < fenn> L29Ah: are you sure that's not how the system is set up already?
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17:47 < Ashstar> oops
17:47 < Ashstar> moon shit is hard
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17:55 < fenn> chimps are really good at instantaneous visual processing, or whatever it is when you see a flash of numbers on a screen and then tap the screen at the location of each number in sequence
17:56 < fenn> hmm ok maybe not:
17:57 < fenn> "Contrary to the claims of Inoue and Matsuzawa (2007), the performance of Ayumu on the limited-hold task with a masking latency of 210 ms does not differ from that seen in humans when those humans, like Ayumu, have practiced on this task."
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18:04 < hprmbridge> kanzure> rumors of chimp supremacy were wrong??
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18:12 < fenn> it's still impressive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqoImw2ZWmI&t=105s
18:12 < hprmbridge> kanzure> who was putting out this pro-chimp propaganda?
18:12 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Are chimps gonna take my job?
18:13 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> The anarchoprimitivists, pushing their return to monki agenda
18:16 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Tbh though issues with the chimp benchmark is probably a case of the psychology replication crisis spanning beyond just human psychology research
18:42 < hprmbridge> kanzure> yes and they are paid better than you https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/monkey-labor-continues-in-thailands-coconut-market
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20:24 < Ashstar> fenn, I did visual information studies with primates as an undergrad. One reason for this could be their reliance on spatial memory for foraging and their complex social structures, which require them to remember the individuals within their group and their interactions. Additionally, chimpanzees have been observed using tools, which also requires good memory and problem-solving skills
20:25 < Ashstar> one reason why chimps do so much better at visual information retrieval
20:29 < Ashstar> https://bigthink.com/life/chimpanzees-beat-humans/
20:38 < muurkha> why does https://www.butterflynetwork.com/press-releases/fda-clearance-butterfly-iq3 not have any pictures of the output?  does their system not output images?
20:38 < muurkha> 19:36 < hprmbridge> kanzure> hasn't been done before, so you can write the rules.
20:38 < muurkha> no, whoever can shoot you down writes the rules
20:39 < fenn> it's a pre-release announcement, the actual announcement will be later
20:39 < muurkha> fenn: oh no, that' ssad to hear
20:39 < muurkha> about the moon
20:40 < muurkha> fenn: you'd think that even with a pre-release announcement they would have made at least one image with a prototype sensor previously
20:40 < fenn> i'm sure they have thousands of images
20:43 < muurkha> of which they included ZERO in this 'pre-release announcement' apparently?
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