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00:00 < Ashstar> some of the great mystics, saints, who eit into it, mahasamadhi
00:01 < Ashstar> exit
00:01 < Ashstar> have little decomposition after death
00:02 < muurkha> there definitely is a switch to an anaerobic state.  muscles routinely go into anaerobic respiration, and of course cancer cells are famous for anaerobic respiration
00:02 < Ashstar> without lactogenosis
00:02 < muurkha> I don't think cancer produces lactate, does it?
00:03 < Ashstar> some cells
00:03 < Ashstar> sure
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00:05 < Ashstar> I do feel we have the capability to go to a state where we are so focused, meditative that we switch our whole system
00:06 < muurkha> if you want to auto-mummify yourself so you don't decay after death, there's an established procedure for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu
00:06 < muurkha> it does involve a lot of meditation and eventually death from dehydration
00:06 < Ashstar> that is the underpining of all great religious practices 
00:07 < Ashstar> we think we have all knowlege of what happens, what is cociousness
00:07 < muurkha> it takes about ten years
00:07 < Ashstar> we dont
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00:08 < muurkha> more details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokujiki
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00:08 < muurkha> I suspect that only David Chalmers, Daniel Dennett, and some Buddhist monks think they understand what consciousness is
00:08 < Ashstar> yeah, well to think we will live in our bodies forever, isnaive
00:09 < Ashstar> it is a cusk
00:09 < Ashstar> it has time limits
00:09 < muurkha> it certainly isn't widespread to think you understand what consciousness is
00:09 < Ashstar> I did my studies in chronobiology
00:09 < Ashstar> we might be more
00:10 < muurkha> so how is your blood oxygenation?
00:10 < muurkha> have you checked it lately?
00:11 < Ashstar> we hardly know what is the true outlines of what is, down toquantum levels or Planck levels
00:11 < Ashstar> O2 
00:11 < Ashstar> bettter
00:11 < Ashstar> had Pneumonia
00:12 < Ashstar> literally sucked
00:12 < Ashstar> TG for antibiotics
00:13 < muurkha> I was wondering if maybe you'd had low oxygenation for weeks and maybe that was why you were having such a hard time cognitively
00:13 < Ashstar> my undegrad degree was Psychobiology
00:13 < muurkha> because I know that when something is interfering with my cognition I often can't tell, and low oxygenation is well-known to have that effect
00:14 < Ashstar> I wanted to know what I was conciousness
00:14 < Ashstar> what was counciousness
00:15 < Ashstar> well, this was definitely not hypoxia
00:15 < Ashstar> that I experienced
00:15 < muurkha> I didn't mean this time when you got really serious about lifestyle, health, and meditation
00:15 < Ashstar> it was an intense level of focus
00:15 < muurkha> I meant the last few weeks
00:15 < Ashstar> oh
00:15 < muurkha> where you, for example, didn't notice that fenn said 07:43 < fenn> link is broken
00:16 < Ashstar> yeah, well I go the flu
00:16 < Ashstar> it progressed to Pneumonia
00:16 < Ashstar> took antkiiotics
00:17 < Ashstar> which helped
00:17 < Ashstar> wht, link is broken?
00:17 < Ashstar> remind me
00:18 < Ashstar> sorry
00:18 < muurkha> I don't know if he meant 07:31 < Ashstar> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/030645658790060X
00:18 < muurkha> or 07:39 < Ashstar> on another note: 
00:18 < muurkha>                  https://www.scopus.com/record/display.uri?eid=2-s2.0-85127327466&origin=inward&txGid=4657375cae9a17c4eff3b149fa0907a1
00:20 < Ashstar> oh
00:20 < Ashstar> yes Heller
00:20 < Ashstar> his reasearch
00:20 < Ashstar> research
00:21 < fenn> the latter
00:21 < Ashstar> my prof at Stanford did some work doing metabolic research with the meditavie Yogi
00:22 < Ashstar> well, this is like reasearching UFO's
00:22 < Ashstar> hardly favorable for academimia
00:22 < muurkha> likely to get you visits from CIA agents who ask you to please stop?
00:22 < Ashstar> likely
00:23 < fenn> full of grifters and con artists preying on the gullible
00:23 < Ashstar> it is off reservaton stuff
00:23 < Ashstar> your pariah status
00:23 < Ashstar> is increased
00:24 < Ashstar> so, I dwelt with Biological clocks
00:24 < Ashstar> for my PhD
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00:24 < muurkha> I think research on metabolic and neurological correlates of mindfulness meditation is pretty respectable at this point
00:25 < Ashstar> I still felt there is something profound we cn achieve
00:25 < Ashstar> yes
00:25 < muurkha> and it's become sort of alarmingly popular as a mainstream recommended anxiety reduction technique by people who don't understand it
00:25 < Ashstar> it is getting more respect
00:26 < muurkha> I'd say they don't have enough respect for it.  They aren't really expecting to have to deal with phenomena like ego death and depersonalization
00:26 < Ashstar> lets face it
00:26 < muurkha> and the dark night of the soul
00:26 < Ashstar> we all wish to know the big questions
00:26 < Ashstar> the unanswerables
00:27 < Ashstar> yes
00:28 < Ashstar> St Jhon's Dark Night
00:30 < Ashstar> of the soul
00:31 < Ashstar> we think we might live forever, entropy rules
00:32 < Ashstar> can we possibly achieve something else, that all the great mystics of all religions speak about?
00:34 < Ashstar> I lived for a while in a Benndictine monastery
00:34 < Ashstar> I thought I would end up ther, writing after my degrees
00:35 < Ashstar> just like women too much, 
00:36 < Ashstar> but I am feeling like the Hindu path of the four cycles of life
00:36 < Ashstar> is more practical
00:37 < Ashstar> the last iw of course, the person who goes deep into that meditavive exit
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00:41 < Ashstar> I wished to get some of the science, if I could which might help me understand what I had experienced
00:43 < Ashstar> if the state of suspended time, the immersion into a sor of infinite, timeless state had validity
00:43 < Ashstar> or product of hypoxic state
00:47 < muurkha> did you know that national apnea teams consistently have mild brain damage?
00:49 < Ashstar> oh
00:49 < Ashstar> well, considering I am an athlete, swimmer, who's heart rate is 38 BPM
00:50 < Ashstar> but who knows
00:50 < Ashstar> I might have brin damage
00:50 < Ashstar> brain
00:51 < Ashstar> I think there is a lot more than we know
00:52 < Ashstar> which is why I have, especially after suffering my NDE, the research done at U of virginia's Perceptual Studies
00:54 < Ashstar> has merit
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00:56 < Ashstar> if nothing else, the one thing I wish, is that I have time, to focus, get back to that state I had during deep meditation. where the flow of time ceases
00:56 < muurkha> yeah
00:57 < muurkha> well, you have the same amount of time anyone else does: 24 hours per day
00:57 < Ashstar> yeah
00:57 < Ashstar> it takes lifestyle, disciplene
00:57 < Ashstar> disciplin
00:58 < Ashstar> lowering your distractivions
00:58 < muurkha> yeah, and here I am on IRC
00:59 < Ashstar> hard stuff, for us, hedonistic animals
01:01 < Ashstar> I am probably going to found a mnastery of scientific people who will try to get the science, yet achieve this state, which  I felt was timeleless
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01:02 < Ashstar> and attainable
01:03 < Ashstar> who knows
01:04 < Ashstar> just this is a serious thing, we can be so much more
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01:22 < Ashstar> sorry, many feel this is off the main track. We are all concerned with the continuation of of consciousness
01:22 < Ashstar> entropy limits all 
01:24 < Ashstar> the course of evolution, as far as entropy, seems to go to the reverse
01:24 < Ashstar> long tem
01:24 < Ashstar> term
01:25 < Ashstar> our personal realities means nothing to this process
01:26 < Ashstar> except iif we could somhow step out
01:27 < Ashstar> perhaps achieve a timeless state that is possible through some of these meditative states
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05:38 < L29Ah> perpetual nosepicking
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08:37 < superkuh> Uhg. Most libgen web interfaces are now JS execution required.
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12:22 < L29Ah> TIL continuous glucose measurement in a convenient package: https://www.sibionicscgm.com/products/sibionics-gs1-continuous-glucose-monitoring-cgm-system
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14:56 < hprmbridge> kanzure> imagine paying this much for a piece of metal https://the-portable-monitor.com/products/flex
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15:42 < hprmbridge> kanzure> rescuing 3,522 tabs from chrome https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/56635/how-can-i-export-the-list-of-open-chrome-tabs/199496#199496
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17:57 < muurkha> superkuh: oh no, that sucks
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21:04 < hprmbridge> Eli> Biohackers have been doing this for awhile. They even have system that have automatic feedback for diabetics. You can even send a push notification to you “pancreas” before you eat.
21:28 < muurkha> doing what?
21:37 < fenn> monitoring blood glucose
21:44 < muurkha> makes sense
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