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00:31 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Yes that's exactly what I've been thinking
00:32 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Bought an inductive heater module recently to toy with, as well as a 13.56 MHz signal source and a RF pre amp and 70W RF amp
00:33 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Been reading a lot about modern impedance matching for plasma systems
00:33 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Thinking maybe I'll make my own power driver circuit
00:34 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Ozone dissipates fast enough that i don't mind exhausting it
00:35 < hprmbridge> nmz787> But nox I'm less certain about. Could use oxygen or an oxygen concentrator if i can get past the other hurdles
00:37 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I'm not worried about bulk garbage disposal at this point, more for smelly meat/fish juice laden plastic/foam trays that comes from the grocery store
00:38 < hprmbridge> nmz787> And clamshell plastics that are little material, but which take up much room in a garbage can (I'm usually taking scissors to those to make my garbage bag more compact)
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03:29 < muurkha> nmz787: for a room temperature plasma you don't need an inductive heater module, just high voltage
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05:49 < Lando-HoloNet> DANGER DANGER
05:49 < Lando-HoloNet> HOT VOLTAGE
05:50 < Lando-HoloNet> WHEN WE TOUCH
05:50 < Lando-HoloNet> WHEN WE KISS
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08:17 < fenn> https://web.archive.org/web/20070125111557/http://www.tatjavanvark.nl/tvv5/pltfrmdx.mpg
08:21 < fenn> ^old skool mad science
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10:00 < fenn> .m https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1746964887949934958#m
10:00 < AugustaAva> ​twitter: <elonmusk> Optimus folds a shirt https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1746964802423951360/vid/avc1/1280x720/uo6uQ40n65qBcYMk.mp4?tag=14
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10:10 < juri_> the apocalypse is among us. better start deciding which of your neighbors look like they have the tastiest goo inside of their head.
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11:56 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/01/darpa-partially-funded-quantum-space-drive-orbital-test.html
12:17 < hprmbridge> kanzure> what? https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.02843
12:18 < superkuh> Doing orbital tests on resonant RF cavities is so silly. As if the torsion based force measurements here on Earth showing no effect could somehow be false and only in LEO will the force show up. Absurd.
12:18 < superkuh> Now, if they were saying "Oh, but we gotta test it outside the gravity well in deep space because of $x" maybe it'd make sense. But LEO?
12:23 < muurkha> agreed
12:37 < kanzure> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/health/deaf-gene-therapy.html
12:46 < fenn> superkuh: but it would put an end to any speculation, and that would be the end of it
12:46 < superkuh> It won't.
12:46 < superkuh> The negative tests in good controlled settings should have.
12:47 < superkuh> It does seem like a good scam though. Probably a handful of groups will siphon off a few million here and there as this goes on.
12:47 < superkuh> It's not like making an RF cavity and using a RF amp is expensive.
12:48 < fenn> but "space rated" is expensive
12:49 < fenn> almost as bad as "medical"
12:50 < superkuh> I suppose some groups might actually still hold the delusion, but I figure most are just acting in bad faith at this point.
12:50 < fenn> it seems more useful than yet another "demonstration cubesat built by students"
12:52 < superkuh> About as useful as a cubesat built by students to test homeopathy in LEO.
12:54 < fenn> the article says there's already a "quantum drive" on the satellite barry-1, but it hasn't been tested yet
12:58 < superkuh> Nor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yubileiny
13:07 < fenn> well either it works or it doesn't. i don't see the point of getting your hackles up that someone is actually doing an experiment. the yubileiny article says they were going to remove it, but at that point the money has been spent, the mass has been allocated, so why bother? you'd just be feeding the technology suppression narrative
13:08 < fenn> i don't mind scams like this because they encourage people to learn about physics
13:11 < hprmbridge> nmz787> muurkha I'm interested in inductively coupled plasma though
13:11 < hprmbridge> nmz787> thus the induction heater is a decent testbed, possibly... and cheap
13:11 < hprmbridge> nmz787> it was like $12
13:11 < hprmbridge> nmz787> supposedly 1000W
13:12 < hprmbridge> nmz787> not the ISM band (13.56MHz for example, which is common for plasma processing)
13:12 < hprmbridge> nmz787> probably more like 22kHz
13:12 < hprmbridge> nmz787> (based on one simulation I made of a person who copied this ebay module and made their own version of a similar circuit)
13:13 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://github.com/nmz787/rf_plasma
13:13 < hprmbridge> nmz787> 22.841 kHz according to the SPICE simulation I did
13:13 < hprmbridge> nmz787> (see pic in README)
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15:21 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "Randomizing the human genome by engineering recombination between repeat elements" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.01.22.576745v1
15:21 < hprmbridge> kanzure> and https://twitter.com/JonasKoeppel/status/1750272362925494725
15:31 < muurkha> nmz787: oh, yeah, ICP is fucking amazing
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16:56 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://twitter.com/_tedks/status/1750313947629052381
17:36 < fenn> .m https://twitter.com/_tedks/status/1750313947629052381
17:36 < AugustaAva> ​twitter: <_tedks> Simultaneously concerned and elated that the diyh+ guy is saying this [https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/1750304309793743158 <kanzure> the future has already happened, it just hasn't reached you yet. ]
17:51 < fenn> why does jonas koeppel want to scramble human genomes?
17:53 < hprmbridge> kanzure> Well he doesn't want yeast to show us up. Or he wants to minimize the genome and remove unnecessary elements?
18:00 < fenn> hmm yeah that's probably correct. "Can we use this strategy to build a genome-wide map of sequence essentiality and start minimizing the human genome?"
18:02 < fenn> though, let's not fall into the same trap with only thinking about "essential" nutrients and ignoring the quantitative contributions of each input
18:03 < fenn> there may be "non-essential" sequences that are nevertheless still contributing usefully
18:04 < hprmbridge> astatineknight> good luck with non-coding dna
18:04 < fenn> also i have no idea how you'd test out things that are only active in extreme situations like starvation and disease
18:04 < fenn> surely humans have evolved a lot of drama genes
18:05 < fenn> better to tear down chesterton's fence once you've understood why it is there
18:21 < jrayhawk> finding out what's necessary the hard way has taught us plenty of highly valuable information in the past
18:45 < fenn> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/3D_Genetic_Code.jpg
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20:27 < fenn> mark 1 waifu *for outdoor use only* https://fennetic.net/sd/allybot_pi-1_00009-3094031715.jpg
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