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00:08 < muurkha> yes, I agree that inequality attenuates the good of innovations like biological immortality
00:08 < muurkha> or for that matter antiretroviral therapy for AIDS
00:09 < aaabbb> ^^^
00:10 < aaabbb> the life expectency in certain countries that used to be 60, is currently closer to 30 due to that
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00:13 < Ashstar> Es gibt keine Wissenschaft ohne Debatte oder Diskussion. Zu denken, dass wir keine Grenzen haben, mit denen wir umgehen müssen, ist dumm
00:16 < Ashstar> No demographic data exist for more than 99% of the span of human existence. Still, with some assumptions about population size throughout human history, we can get a rough idea of this number: About 117 billion members of our species have ever been born on Earth
00:17 < Ashstar> https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/04/quantifying-human-existence/
00:17 < Ashstar> you all talk a lot
00:18 < Ashstar> a awful lot, I see you here wasting daylight talking during the day, while I am at work
00:18 < Ashstar> so, muurka, piss off
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00:19 < muurkha> 08:13 < Ashstar> Es gibt keine Wissenschaft ohne Debatte oder Diskussion. Zu denken, dass wir keine Grenzen haben, mit denen wir umgehen müssen, ist dumm
00:19 < muurkha> agreed!  I think I'll go get to it
00:20 < muurkha> but right now I think I'll have a Debatte with some circuit designs
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01:21 < fenn> Lando-SpacePimp: are you not entertained?
01:26 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://omicsomics.blogspot.com/2024/01/on-illuminas-moats-past-present.html?m=1
01:29 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> Information theory and statistical learning theory I'd say. Assuming you've got a good hold of differential calculus especially when dealing with multivariable systems
02:18 < hprmbridge> Eli> Is it just animals that are going to be consumed by humans that we feed bad food to?
02:23 < L29Ah> fenn: 1: your heart-lung machine won't ever satisfy the metabolic needs of your quadricepses working at full power, regardless of how much you train it
02:26 < L29Ah> 2: heart handles ischemia very poorly compared to all the other muscles, likely because its muscle cells are quite different, being able to work without much rest for prolonged times and featuring uniquely huge and capable mitochondria, among other things
02:42 < L29Ah> 08:34:01]<muurkha> I also agree that this is not a channel for debating whether a posthuman future of abundance is a good idea or not.  it's a channel for people who already agree that it's a good idea to talk to each other to figure out how to achieve it
02:42 < L29Ah> i'd say that pursuing transhumanist ideals requires working on effective propaganda, among other things, since most of those ideas are very unpopular these days, and the movement could use more resources coming with newcomers
03:10 < muurkha> L29Ah: that seems plausible
03:11 < muurkha> but I'd rather not have to engage with the opposition myself; it's something I'm especially, perhaps almost uniquely, bad at
03:12 < muurkha> Eli: that's an interesting question, and I don't know the answer.  by and large almost all animals fed by humans are fed for such predation
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05:33 < kanzure> https://www.geneticchoiceproject.com/
05:35 < kanzure> https://www.screenprices.info/ https://diskprices.com/
06:11 < kanzure> doudna tries a thinkpiece https://www.wired.com/story/gene-editing-needs-to-be-for-everyone/
06:11 < kanzure> https://www.unz.com/isteve/what-can-we-learn-from-dog-eugenics/
06:13 < kanzure> https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2024/01/16/how-the-fda-decimated-the-entire-biotech-sector-of-genetically-engineered-animals-and-what-needs-to-be-done-to-revive-it/
06:13 < kanzure> "In 2021, Japan approved the sale of the first CRISPR animals, genetically enhanced versions of red sea bream and a tiger puffer fish. The fish were genome edited to knock out a protein (myostatin) that suppresses muscle growth."
06:22 < hprmbridge> kreatos13> Greetings all! I am Craig. Editor of the Genetic Choice Project. https://www.geneticchoiceproject.com/
06:22 < hprmbridge> kreatos13>
06:22 < hprmbridge> kreatos13> Look forward to interacting and learning!
06:23 < kanzure> greetings
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07:37 < kanzure> "Our efforts to hypnotize ourselves into being better people can only go so far. Every time a new baby is born, he or she reflects our 100,000 year old genome. It’s like starting from scratch all over again, with every generation. We're changing that." - DarkVelveta26
08:03 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://nautil.us/we-are-nowhere-close-to-the-limits-of-athletic-performance-236057/
08:08 < hprmbridge> Katylase> Y'all are talking about Jenny Doudna, and I just got her book today🤭 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1201559482858221669/IMG_2611.jpg?ex=65ca4278&is=65b7cd78&hm=a41cad7b178c019ab997dc03c5b52881719d7a370e0cc4bfc67cbd8df7c2c82d&
08:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> it's too bad she has brainworms, she says she is "horrified" by CRISPR
08:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> “I had a dream recently, and in my dream”—she mentioned the name of a leading scientific researcher—“had come to see me and said, ‘I have somebody very powerful with me who I want you to meet, and I want you to explain to him how this technology functions.’ So I said, Sure, who is it? It was Adolf Hitler. I was really horrified, but I went into a room and there was Hitler. He had a pig face and I
08:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> could only see him from behind and he was taking notes and he said, ‘I want to understand the uses and implications of this amazing technology.’ I woke up in a cold sweat. And that dream has haunted me from that day. Because suppose somebody like Hitler had access to this—we can only imagine the kind of horrible uses he could put it to.”
08:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://ipscell.com/2015/11/haunting-doudna-nightmare-about-hitler-wanting-crispr/
08:20 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "Learning universal predictors" https://arxiv.org/abs/2401.14953
08:21 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1201562804927332493/image0.jpg?ex=65ca4590&is=65b7d090&hm=34b9b83b9e83dfb5c0cb349a117f2e97392a7dc9229399b6af37ff56c2dddd28&
08:42 < hprmbridge> Katylase> Poor girl... I imagine her as a very friendly person, and Cas9 as her editor-protein pet... Like this:⬇️
08:42 < hprmbridge> Katylase> Like, if I had a protein friend that can edit DNA, and someone evil would want him,
08:42 < hprmbridge> Katylase> I would be worried too... Both about him, and the creatures/or people! being edited... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1201568014387118120/IMG_2600.jpg?ex=65ca4a6a&is=65b7d56a&hm=963ba5465e1c2ae6ca46f4ab3a85ec6f94c9dbeced215682f9ef88270886d97b&
08:48 < fenn> we stole hammers from the gods before we stole fire
08:49 < fenn> does that mean we're the sickly green hands or the shining golden guy with the hammer?
08:56 < hprmbridge> kanzure> it's complicated ok
08:56 < hprmbridge> kanzure> the goblins are regulatorkin i guess
08:58 < fenn> is that one of the 177 genders
09:05 < hprmbridge> Katylase> Wait. 177!? I know only boys, girls, and trans isomers of the two, since my neighbor is a T.I., (she's a girl, but wants to be a boy. Even picked out a boyish name - Kristian. Her original name is Katherine)
09:10 < fenn> i identify as a parasite
09:11 < fenn> when you think about it, the great noble beasts such as predators and herbivores are specialized parasites on the larger ecology
09:13 < fenn> hyperia galba is my spirit animal https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/images_blogs/rawfile/2012/07/Hyperia-galba-3.jpg
09:15 < fenn> the bug on the balloon: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/fc/e3/92fce33273ef9d4175b3f214fafee52e.jpg
09:16 < hprmbridge> kanzure> where can I find a audiobook version of Wikipedia articles?
09:19 < hprmbridge> Katylase> And I'm an enzyme! A *catalase*, to be exact🤭
09:21 < fenn> kanzure why not have elevenlabs or bark read them
09:27 < fenn> "community inertia is a moat amplifier"
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09:32 < fenn> uk biobank looks exactly like u. chicago archives https://cdn.prod.www.spiegel.de/images/d2a834b8-850b-46b0-aa59-7c7ba8bd0048_w1600_r0.7696145124716554_fpx49.98_fpy61.55.jpg
09:39 < hprmbridge> kanzure> there are a few podcasts that read wikipedia
09:39 < hprmbridge> kanzure> but ideally top 5000 articles would have an audiobook or something
09:43 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Stupid android still can't read aloud gmail
09:44 < fenn> are you training a tiny organic neural network
09:45 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I wrote a program to read Wiktionary words that have a audio clip, and then breadth first find related words that have audio clips... Rinse & repeat
09:46 < fenn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoken_articles
09:46 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://gist.github.com/nmz787/53852c926eac0c4d9b047aac5733f74a
09:47 < hprmbridge> nmz787> """target audience: babies, language learning"""
09:48 < fenn> do they seriously not have a link to the exact article text that is being spoken
09:48 < fenn> jfc
09:48 < hprmbridge> nmz787> They do
09:49 < hprmbridge> nmz787>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1201584916660486164/Screenshot_20240129-094919.png?ex=65ca5a28&is=65b7e528&hm=d39f0a93bf4b18dc53b555c3fef4e24ccc986b35ea3475247164363867aa41cd&
09:49 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Though understandably, the text could have been updated since the audio recording made
09:50 < fenn> this spans 20 years
09:50 < fenn> lots of computer generated crap in here
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09:57 < fenn> they all have the recording date but only a tiny fraction link to the exact page revision in the metadata
09:58 < fenn> also there is no reliable indicator that it's computer generated or a recording
10:06 < fenn> knowledge mining rig https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1aduzqq/5_x_a100_setup_finally_complete/
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12:55 < hprmbridge> kanzure> free electron microscopes, anyone want it? I can help acquire but can't store at the moment https://twitter.com/nanographs/status/1752072057616285914
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14:03 < fenn> earlier we talked about data bending neural audio codecs and i said this was the idea behind bark. it turns out to be literally true, as this paper was credited (twice) by bark: "Neural Codec Language Models are Zero-Shot Text to Speech Synthesizers" https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.02111
14:03 < fenn> aka "Vall-E"
14:03 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> is anyone here working on AGI or androids?
14:03 < fenn> not sure what that means
14:04 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> well like AI but multimodal, and hopefully embodied
14:04 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> and androids like humanoid robots that behave/communicate/feel like humans
14:05 < fenn> and presumably more than just actroids
14:05 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> lolll
14:05 < fenn> i.e. they do useful stuff in the world
14:05 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> yes
14:06 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> they would look like humans (or other creatrues if people like), but could work as a receptionist, maid , etc etc
14:06 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> could also help elderly
14:06 < geneh2> why androids? I mean seriously there is little point to making robots that look like humans. there is a case for two arms? but two legs? not so much
14:06 < fenn> not at the moment, afaik
14:07 < fenn> geneh2: there's a good deal of benefit to being able to use any system designed for a human body
14:07 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> theres a lot of people who dont wanna be working as bus boys etc
14:07 < geneh2> and even when you make a robot with two legs, it is better for it to not be exactly human
14:07 < fenn> stairs, for example
14:07 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> well we want it to be exactly human and perceptively far past the uncanny valley
14:08 < geneh2> take for instance digit, it needs springs for effificiency
14:08 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> warm skin and everything if the user wants
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14:08 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> we're using biomimetic HASEL actuators
14:08 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> not servos (clankedy clank)
14:08 < geneh2> warm skin? it has to waste power to heat itself for no reason?
14:09 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> it would be an option for the user, plus it doesnt take much power to keep it warm
14:09 < geneh2> non humanoid robots can drive a car as the DARPA robotics challenge demonstrated
14:09 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> yea and robot barista, chef, etc theyre close
14:10 < geneh2> mobile robots are extremely energy constrained
14:10 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> but this is more for human stuff like when you want human service
14:10 < geneh2> I don't want human service
14:10 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> not HASEL actuator robots, super efficient
14:10 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> 1000000 incels disagree
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14:11 < geneh2> I've published on HASEL actuators
14:11 < geneh2> their current efficiency is debateable
14:11 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> nice what type of system did you use?
14:11 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> yea depends on the system
14:13 < geneh2> 1. HASELs use high voltage, power converters aren't 100% efficient
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14:14 < geneh2> 2. the way we control them is dumb.
14:14 < geneh2> most electrostatic actuators short each side of the capacitor with a gigaohm resistor
14:14 < hprmbridge> kanzure> so there's no audiobook version of Wikipedia?
14:15 < geneh2> this is so they stop actuating when power is removed
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14:15 < geneh2> better power electronics would help here, don't think anyone's made good power electronics for HASELs
14:18 < fenn> i would use water based hydraulics (fluidic muscles) and parallel hybrid internal combustion engine powered hydraulic pump
14:18 < fenn> for round-the-house activity it would run only on battery power
14:19 < fenn> i have some ideas about valves but won't disclose publicly at the moment
14:20 < geneh2> for robots, it is really hard to beat the reliability of rotary electric actuators
14:24 < geneh2> industrial robots really need reliability because they can't replace humans if they don't have an MTBF of some number
14:25 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> but our system uses charging and discharging optocouplers
14:27 < geneh2> do you recover the discharged energy?
14:28 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> rotary eelctric actuators are good for basic movements, but for complex human movements to look human, hasel actuators with multiple contraction directions are better
14:29 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> i mean, I'm thinking of using the heat for thermoelectric, but I'm not sure if its necessary yet, maybe if we wana have the android run for weeks without charging
14:31 < geneh2> why can't rotary electric actuators do complex human movements? why do HASELs automatically enable complex human movements? 
14:37 < geneh2> the main advantages of artificial muscles are making stiffness control simpler via co contraction and being able to fit into weird spaces
14:39 < geneh2> DEAs and HASELs have pretty high frequency responses for full actuation too. although last I heard HASEL control was still pretty hard
14:42 < geneh2> and not very good
14:46 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spoken_articles
14:47 < hprmbridge> kanzure> but it doesn't even have the mathematics article?
14:47 < hprmbridge> kanzure> that was just my first guess as a random sampling test.. it's not there.
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14:48 < geneh2> so yeah, lots to improve in HASELs
14:50 < Lando-SpacePimp> WINGNUTs
14:53 < geneh2> HASEL making tip, you don't need the fancy organic soybean transformer oil that keplinger uses. Regular mineral oil works great
14:54 < geneh2> you can even use baby oil from a corner shop
14:56 < L29Ah> how about sunflower oil?
14:57 < geneh2> does it have a high dielectric strength, low conductivity, won't chemically attack the polymer you've choosen? then yes
15:01 < L29Ah> i wonder how quickly does the membrane wear out
15:02 < L29Ah> > long lifetime (>1 million cycles)
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16:09 < L29Ah> neuralink has been planted
16:53 < hprmbridge> Eli> ```Even today, about one-third of the upfront cost of a residential solar system goes to intermediaries like sales and financing people, says Pol Lezcano, an analyst with Bloomberg New Energy Finance. In Germany, where installation is done locally and there are fewer intermediaries, the typical residential system costs about 50% less than it costs in the U.S. “The upfront cost of these systems is
16:53 < hprmbridge> Eli> stupidly high,” says Lezcano, making residential solar not “scalable.” ```
16:53 < hprmbridge> Eli> https://time.com/6565415/rooftop-solar-industry-collapse/
16:56 < hprmbridge> Eli> I did a deep dive into installation of solar on my house a few months ago and the amount of money the salespeople are making is stupid. Thankfully, I know how to calculate NPV. But there are a lot of people who have gotten suckered into these loans and a lot of these solar companies are going to going to court and leaving taxpayers holding the bag.
17:02 < L29Ah> $0.1 per nominal watt, they said...
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19:09 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "IQists", and then "IQ maximalists"
19:10 < hprmbridge> kanzure> neuralink now in a human means a killer demo coming up.... right? or will it just be some sob story about paralysis and now being able to move a mouse cursor?
19:13 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.richardhanania.com/p/critical-age-theory "One of the great sins of developed civilizations is how little value we place on young people’s time. Someone can write a book like Bryan Caplan’s The Case Against Education, and people will simply shrug and go, well that’s interesting, I guess it’s all a waste of time, lol. But learning that we warehouse young people in the prime of their
19:13 < hprmbridge> kanzure> lives into buildings for no good reason, to little benefit to themselves or others, should provoke seething rage."
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21:18 < hprmbridge> Eli> I think they are starting with the cursor sob story. But the things they claim they will be able to tackle are pretty insane. They think they will be able to cure blindness for some people and allow some people with SCI to be able to walk on their own via bypassing the injury in the spinal cord. Then they want to integrate the brain with AI. TLDR; remains to be seen ...
21:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://news.arizona.edu/story/ua-research-spawns-eco-friendly-cement-substitute
21:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787> UA Research Spawns Eco-Friendly Cement Substitute
21:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Ferrock uses the waste steel dust from industrial processes to create a cementlike material that is sustainable and stronger than conventional cement.
21:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787>
21:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787>
21:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214785323037562
21:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787> An experimental investigation on concrete blocks using Ferrock as a green binding material
21:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Nitin Shinde, R Gobinath, Siva Chidambaram, Manisha Shewale
21:27 < geneh2> I learned why the big late 90s early oughts MEMS boom failed
21:28 < geneh2> back then it was thought MEMS would be in everything. DARPA had the crazy smart dust program
21:29 < geneh2> make a tiny optical comms network with tiny computers and network nodes. and optical meant beam steering
21:30 < geneh2> MIT was(and might still be) working in tiny jet engines
21:31 < geneh2> the problem was dust. dust gummed up mechanisms. that and wear was pretty bad. low thermal mass was another weird problem. a slight temp change could actuate stuft in microseconds
21:31 < geneh2> even when you didn't want to
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23:07 < muurkha> yeah
23:09 < muurkha> also, in general heat engines depend on temperature gradients, and those are proportionally more costly to maintain over shorter distances, independent of thermal mass
23:10 < muurkha> larger thermal mass means the temperature gradient decays more slowly when you stop spending energy to maintain it, but the power cost to maintain the thermal gradient against heat conduction depends only on the geometry and the thermal conductivity of the materials involved, not on the thermal mass
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