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00:51 < hprmbridge> kanzure> and why is drexlerian immune?
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01:54 < muurkha> kanzure: immune?
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04:23 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "mitochondrial base editors (all-protein TALE array-targeted DdCBEs)"
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05:13 < kanzure> maybe styletts2 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38335255
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05:39 < kanzure> hmm "people only seem to be able to process the equivalent of about 40 bits per second of language, and this seems to be uniform across all languages"
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07:36 < muurkha> thanks kanzure.  what were you saying about drexlerian being immune?
07:36 < kanzure> dust
07:44 < muurkha> oh, I don't know if it is.  typically the sliding contacts Drexler proposed would be safe from dust because there's not much way for it to get in, unless it's sufficiently reactive dust to bond to the carbon surfaces
07:45 < muurkha> but I suspect that things like gears and rod logic would have to be protected from dust ingress to work reliably
07:46 < muurkha> maybe not, maybe the pressures would be so high that any dust that wasn't itself diamondoid would squirt out when mating parts came together
07:46 < muurkha> Merkle's buckling-spring logic should be pretty safe because it doesn't involve any contact between mating parts
07:53 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> There's precious little that could be considered "dust" at that scale. Worst case we may need to encase rod logic systems in nanoscale vacuum chambers
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08:08 < kanzure> these are not trivial considerations
08:08 < kanzure> btw those electron microscopes from yesterday have been spoken for
08:13 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> You bought it? Or just someone else?
08:16 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> kanzure: ofc I'm not aiming to trivialise nanotech, there are many considerations for the drexlarian approach I just consider damage from the nanoscale analogue for dust to be relatively minor in contrast to the big ticket issues such as designing and constructing the systems in the first place
08:16 < muurkha> they are not trivial, no
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08:47 < hprmbridge> kanzure> someone else acquired them (also they were freebies)
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11:34 < geneh2> shouldn't be as much of a problem for drexler tech. wear is also less of a problem
11:42 < muurkha> what shouldn't, dust?
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13:58 < geneh2> yeah dust
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14:05 < geneh2> in drexler tech you keep everthing enclosed.
14:13 < muurkha> you can do that easily for computation, but not necessarily for manipulation
14:26 < geneh2> don't manipulate stuff in dust
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14:38 < muurkha> stuff that needs manipulating always has dust
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18:15 < kanzure> i feel like we should have common knowledge of a variety of psychometric tests beyond just IQ that gets to other important cognitive abilities, but it seems to all be hidden in research literature
18:15 < kanzure> (or possibly doesn't exist or isn't as good of a psychometric and for some reason only IQ is easily measured?)
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21:41  * fenn stumbles around in a crashed browser tabless daze
21:42 < fenn> there's never enough time
22:02 < muurkha> is that a function of agents competing due to unaligned utility functions?
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22:46 < fenn> it's a function of the number of tabs opened per day vs the number of tabs closed per day, which for me is always greater than 1
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23:05 < fenn> there are lots of psychometrics, but nobody cares because they all correlate with IQ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Cognitive_tests
23:07 < fenn> the other way to say it is, scores on individual cognitive tests vary uniformly randomly
23:07 < fenn> this is probably not actually true
23:11 < fenn> it's really tripping me out that we can distill "turbo" and "latent consistency models" into LoRAs and then patch other models
23:11 < fenn> these are not even functioning on the same principle but somehow it just works?!
23:12 < fenn> and when you add them together it just works better?!
23:18 < muurkha> it's not true, no.  there are other principal components to the covariance matrix
23:19 < muurkha> it's not just g
23:19 < fenn> examples would be valued
23:20 < muurkha> I don't know much about it
23:24 < muurkha> there's an introduction in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)#Factor_structure_of_cognitive_abilities
23:26 < fenn> the blue circles are on orthogonal axes?
23:27 < fenn> ovals*
23:29 < fenn> i guess they're just vectors that may or may not be independent (orthogonal)
23:29 < muurkha> spearman apparently hypothesized they were, but they turned out not to be
23:49 < hprmbridge> kanzure> soon AI labor will be able to process your abandoned tabs so maybe just ask it to find a task to do on each tab, and report back
23:50 < hprmbridge> kanzure> and all tabs shall be processed and closed at the end of the day
23:50 < hprmbridge> kanzure> admittedly something of a modern fairytale
23:55 < hprmbridge> kanzure> any level of cognitive processing is better than zero per forgotten tab
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