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02:08 < hprmbridge> alethkit> best to download it
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03:57 < kanzure> hmph
03:57 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> 5kv
03:58 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> @fennfoot the instulation is silicone
03:58 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> someone proposed joint fluid though
03:59 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> the ghigh voltage stuff could be where the heart/lungs are
03:59 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> and then run the cables to each muscle
04:01 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> for companion/social androids, i dont think pneumatics will work, for all sorts of reasons
04:01 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> but for industrial/ backroom / heavy lifting its great
04:02 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> ive had my fair share of shocks, its more scary than painful though lol
04:02 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> @geneh2
04:02 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> clonerobotics needs to use hasels if they wanna get into social androids, i dont know why theyre using mckibbens honestly
04:03 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> we have two other researchers working on hasels right now for the androids, so when i finish the skeleton and basic mechanics I'll just move on to hasels
04:25 < hprmbridge> kanzure> weather prediction improvements https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/atsc/76/4/jas-d-18-0269.1.xml
04:40 < geneh2> HASELs are not a drop in replacement for human muscle
04:41 < geneh2> so using a human skeleton as a base is silly. start with the actuators before making the frame
04:45 < geneh2> contracting HASELs are difficult to integrate densely. you can get arcing between adjacent actuators. expanding ones can be integrated more densely, but these don't contract like muscles do. Force curve should be different too.
04:45 < L29Ah> also human skeleton is needlessly complex and redundantly redundant
04:46 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> @geneh2 we already have actuators, thats why I'm making the skeleton
04:46 < geneh2> and HASELs are very much high voltage devices, try to avoid touching them while they are operating.
04:47 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> and I agree, hasels ar not a drop in replacement for bio muscles, but what is better?
04:48 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> the arcing we can manage with surface distance+polymide+silicone
04:48 < geneh2> at what? 
04:48 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> whats better than hasels for biomimetic muscles?
04:49 < geneh2> distance works, adding more material decreases performance. HASELs are new there may be better options for integrating multiple actuators
04:49 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> we can let the tendons and bands fix any curvature problems
04:49 < geneh2> all biomimimetic muscles suck
04:50 < geneh2> I am not sure what you mean by curvature problems.
04:50 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> adding polymide and silicon outside of the actuators I meant, not increasing the thickenss of the actuator bags, so the performance in this method shouldnt decrease
04:51 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> human muscles have curves at some places
04:52 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> so we dont have to go exactly biomimetic to the T
04:52 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> just as much as necessary
04:53 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> skeleton is necessary almost identically to the human skeleton for human like movements, as we're not going for humanoid were going for android
04:53 < geneh2> is it really though?
04:54 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> I think so. how else would you make the body move as a human does (exactly)
04:54 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> theres multiple rotations+structures
04:55 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> we can simplifiy it a little, at some point we lose rotations
04:56 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> 'freedom of movement'
05:01 < L29Ah> https://s3.eu-central-1.wasabisys.com/lor-sh/lor-sh/media_attachments/files/111/877/567/559/926/085/original/0735e0d911d9f915.png
05:14 < nsh> L29Ah, how many humans have you designed?
05:15 < L29Ah> i find this question obnoxious and refuse to answer it
05:17 < nsh> perhaps you might identify instead the complexities and redundancies that you would elide and venture arguments as to how there would be no loss of faculty or obstruction to the morphogenic developmental process resulting in the adult anatomy?
05:17 < nsh> or consider at least your authority to venture such opinions :)
05:18 < L29Ah> we're talking about androids, aren't we?
05:19 < geneh2> like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7INPj1hdnyA
05:19 < nsh> i suppose with a more generous expansion of the statement then it's not a statement about humans but it was phrased as such
05:20 < nsh> it's a statement about making something non-human that with some superficial resemblances
05:20 < nsh> in which case sure you can also use a shadow puppet
05:20 < nsh> then you don't need any skeleton at all
05:21 < nsh> although the sharper context includes biomimetic notions and so it's worth at least thinking about the exact degree you might want to benefit from the differences between traditional robotic rigidity and the flexibility through soft tissue and greater degrees of articulation that mammalian anatomy provides
05:21 < nsh> but yeah, i suppose you probably wouldn't replicate the skeleton as it is
05:25 < nsh> anyway, sorry for being obnoxious
05:25 < nsh> i was being overly literal, which is a tendency i have
05:30 < geneh2> parallel robot posting time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqBoL9OggWI
05:30 < geneh2> really don't understand how this one lab in quebec is able to come up with so many crazy designs
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10:11 < geneh2> new video of ATLAS, unknown how autonomous this is https://fxtwitter.com/BostonDynamics/status/1754564972913332703
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10:43 < hprmbridge> Eli> Anti-aging drug for dogs starting clinical trials. Apparantly big dogs have significanty more IGF-1 than little dogs. https://www.freethink.com/health/anti-aging-pill-for-senior-dogs
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12:16 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1204158520958783628/signal-2024-02-05-13-48-35-324.jpg?ex=65d3b703&is=65c14203&hm=215b0f98d27b51f7074af4ced7d033f108d79c0e9327e99c71fad662c25f2041&
13:31 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> please someone help me with this
13:31 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> I'm trying to program a cylconeIV fpga board with quartus prime but it fails.
13:31 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> When i try to autodetect in programming window, it says "unable to scan device. Hardware not detected"
13:31 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> the device on/off switch is on, I've tried connecting and not connecting to power(doesnt work either way), the pill battery is in the fpga, and its connected via jtag usbblaster
13:31 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> How do I fix this?
13:34 < hprmbridge> soul_syrup> also, @nsh we're gonna do some edits on the skeleton but since the freedom of motion is kind of perfect already for a skeleton, for replicating human motion, flexibility, physics etc, it is one of our options, although not the only option
13:35  * nsh nods
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14:32 < hprmbridge> kanzure> how does one get the link from this from the UI ? https://twitter.com/EngBioRC/status/1753491540956312051
14:32 < hprmbridge> kanzure> it just has an embed?
14:36 < fenn> from nitter https://ebrcintranslation.buzzsprout.com/1581817/14359416-26-synthetic-biology-and-awestronomy-w-drew-endy
14:36 < fenn> https://www.buzzsprout.com/1581817/14359416-26-synthetic-biology-and-awestronomy-w-drew-endy.mp3?client_source=buzzsprout_site&download=true
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18:03 < fenn> that's a long transcript https://fennetic.net/whisper/drew_endy/14359416-26-synthetic-biology-and-awestronomy-w-drew-endy.txt
18:04 < fenn> (now with slightly better linebreaks than the official transcript)
18:05 < hprmbridge> kanzure> computer, analyze and summarize, in the shakespearean style
18:13 < fenn> .kagi https://fennetic.net/whisper/drew_endy/14359416-26-synthetic-biology-and-awestronomy-w-drew-endy.txt analyze and summarize, in the shakespearean style
18:13 < gptpaste> ​"Here is an attempt at analyzing and summarizing the sources in a Shakespearean style:**Act I: A Briefing Gone Awry** Our noble scientist did take to the stage, To brief the director on works of new age. But alas, the politics had turned most foul,All thoughts of funding, now out of the prowl. [1]The briefing did not get past the first page,  All plans for research,  - https://bin.gy/rrasherand
18:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1204250084464795688/share_4362698726847531342.png?ex=65d40c4a&is=65c1974a&hm=f8e00c060c70b1a3161ac592371cbf66b6f80bc4632d8e828bd81d91105dad9f&
18:21 < hprmbridge> kanzure> vesuvius brain scanning would be more interesting anyway.... https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc1909867
18:22 < fenn> would it kill them to auto-OCR images with text for the user
18:22 < fenn> instead of making the user do it
18:23 < fenn> i'm sorry to inform you that there's no useful information coming form that "Fragment of Glassy Black Material"
18:23 < fenn> from*
18:24 < fenn> elemental and isotope ratios is about all you're going to get
18:25 < fenn> oh boy here we go again:
18:25 < fenn> "two autophagy inhibitors (chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine) are already approved by the FDA" (anti-cancer therapy)
18:26 < fenn> soon we'll hear the crowing about "donald trump's cancer snake oil"
18:30 < fenn> .t https://www.freethink.com/health/genetic-deafness
18:30 < saxo> Boy with genetic deafness hears after receiving new gene therapy
18:30 < EmmyNoether> Boy with genetic deafness hears after receiving new gene therapy
18:31 < fenn> wasn't there some way to induce neural plasticity for perfect pitch? that could maybe help with late life language acquisition
18:34 < fenn> "CAR T cells could be manipulated to eliminate senescent cells in mice. As a result, the mice ended up living healthier lives. They had lower body weight, improved metabolism and glucose tolerance, and increased physical activity. All benefits came without any tissue damage or toxicity." https://www.cshl.edu/the-fountain-of-youth-is-a-t-cell/
18:35 < fenn> "but how will we make money on this"
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18:40 < fenn> i like the sound bite audio progress bar widget in the above article
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19:58 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://www.light.bio/
19:58 < hprmbridge> nmz787>
19:58 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Bought one of those on pre order
19:59 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Fenn: this?
19:59 < hprmbridge> nmz787> (And in case you haven't added discord-reply support):
19:59 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3848041/
19:59 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Valproate reopens critical-period learning of absolute pitch
19:59 < fenn> yes
20:00 < fenn> patented seeds, smh
20:02 < fenn> i hope to see the hillside covered in glowing petunias some day
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