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06:00 < hprmbridge> kanzure> human finger has 13nm tactile resolution https://www.nature.com/articles/srep02617
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11:43 < fenn> interesting legal history lesson (it wasn't that long ago) https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-audacity-of-the-googl_b_255490
11:43 < fenn> "Exploiting an opportunity made possible by lawsuits brought by a small number of plaintiffs on one narrow issue, Google has negotiated a settlement agreement designed to give it a compulsory license to all books in copyright throughout the world forever."
11:43 < fenn> can i do that?
11:47 < redlegion> What the hell?
11:47 < redlegion> How exactly does any entity negotiate perpetual license to all copyrighted material?
11:49 < fenn> "the proposed settlement was rejected by the court in 2011 due to concerns about its broad impact, including issues related to copyright, antitrust, and privacy."
11:52 < L29Ah> > existing law requires judicial approval of all class-action settlements, and in most cases, class members are given a chance to opt out of class settlement
11:52 < fenn> good luck contact every author ever, including dead ones
11:54 < fenn> s/ever/died after 19... *looks at copyright cheatsheet* oh hell this is too complicated
11:55 < L29Ah> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc. doesn't seem like the history lesson is applicable
12:00 < fenn> in the meanwhile, google has scans of every book and apparently no legal problems at all for them
12:01 < fenn> because "The purpose of the copying is highly transformative, the public display of text is limited, and the revelations do not provide a significant market substitute for the protected aspects of the originals"
12:01 < fenn> so why are we all cloak and dagger about AI training data, if this is the case?
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12:02 < fenn> it ought to be perfectly legal to own every book ever, as long as you don't actually intend to read them
12:02 < fenn> er, possess a copy, not own
12:05 < fenn> if google can do it, openAI can do it
12:06 < fenn> arguably google's "snippets" are even more of an infringement because they're exact duplicates of the text
12:07 < L29Ah> possessing a copy isn't fair use, letting people search through the possessed copy is, it seems
12:08 < fenn> but you have to possess a copy to implement the search engine
12:09 < fenn> or train the AI or whatever
12:13 < L29Ah> gotta hide before you do it then
12:14 < L29Ah> https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/103491/idiom-wanted-for-means-and-ends :<
12:16 < fenn> history is written by the victors
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16:20 < fenn> "fintech" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_futures
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