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05:12 < kanzure> "Summer intern hiring. If you support the human embryo gene editing research, you are welcomed to apply the summer intern in Jiankui He lab. Please email your resume to: Jiankuihe@gmail.com"
05:23 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1211664905120391238/GHPJyYkaUAAjE1j.png?ex=65ef05e1&is=65dc90e1&hm=7c95e9593210006c0c25a73cb693108ab8c4ee6935bf65f862341e45629e89b0&
05:23 < hprmbridge> kanzure>  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1211664939891302431/GHQLXJ5WUAAgCpZ.png?ex=65ef05e9&is=65dc90e9&hm=a30bee6d10dcae0fa4f03def2f24f9c5e547bc2b28375e7cee584386048e43eb&
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06:41 < fenn> i wonder if dissociative identity people will expand the perpetual victimhood narrative and demand legal identity, the right to a body for each alter. once mind uploading is a thing, we will have the tech necessary to do so.
06:42 < fenn> whether or not they are actually inextricably linked is not politically relevant
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09:19 < superkuh> "
09:19 < superkuh> sci-hub is still very much alive. It's just new papers are available under an alternate service called the Standard Template Construct. The STC uses IPFS to distribute the papers instead of hosting them themselves which mostly protects it." - what?!
09:20 < superkuh> Does anyone know what STC actually is and how to use it? I've not been able to get post dec-2020 articles from sci-hub even when I click through the ipfs proxies.
09:25 < superkuh> http://standard-template-construct.org/ just errors out but I assume that's because it's going through an IPFS proxy which censors.
09:25 < fenn> is it a cloudflare ipfs proxy? (not that i'm saying that's the issue)
09:27 < superkuh> https://standard--template--construct-org.ipns.dweb.link/
09:28 < superkuh> The IPFS group has always been quick to censor and block.
09:28 < superkuh> It's like they hate the only people that use their service.
09:28 < superkuh> Perhaps just a front to avoid legal attacks, but in practice it's the same.
09:29 < superkuh> Self-censorship is the worst kind.
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10:33 < superkuh> https://libstc.cc/
10:40 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "All modern science may be lost, if we can't, ASAP, figure out a cryptographic way to verify timestamps." wrt AI spam https://twitter.com/ambimorph/status/1761944967818146094
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10:42 < superkuh> Well libstc.cc only works with JS and it's really slow, but it works! Post 2020 journal articles are available again.
11:14 < hprmbridge> nmz787> superkuh, good find! I don't have something to try it on right now though :/
11:15 < superkuh> I have dozens of tabs from months and years back I'm working through.
11:47 < superkuh> POST to https:/api.libstc.cc/summa.proto.PublicApi/search with a binary payload with text embedded in it. Then the server sends back base64 encoded response.
11:47 < superkuh> I think with a bit of time I can get this to work without executing JS.
12:06 < superkuh> Probably easier just to install ipfs myself.
12:06 < superkuh> Funny stuff: https://libstc.cc/#/help/doomsday
12:12 < L29Ah> stc looks like kad clone
12:13 < L29Ah> i wonder how quickly will it sink under enourmous loads of fake downloads spam
12:15 < L29Ah> the problem was never addressed in kad, otherwise we would've been using it instead of bittorrent these days
12:22 < TMA> libstc.cc is already blacklisted in some antiviri (Avast for example)
12:22 < fenn> all of modern science may be lost if we can't, ASAP, figure out a way to scrape twitter
12:23 < L29Ah> ^ mindless twitter shill
12:24 < fenn> interesting perspective considering that i never post and read twitter as little as possible
12:24 < L29Ah> why do you say that scraping twitter is required for preserving "all of modern science"?
12:25 < fenn> because a lot of publication of results and criticism is occurring on twitter
12:25 < L29Ah> a lot of it occurs elsewhere as well, and twitter snr is abysmal compared to journals or, say, arxiv and researchgate
12:26 < fenn> yeah and nobody drives in new york
12:26  * L29Ah farts
12:28 < fenn> in the event of an extinction-level occurrence, navigate to this brittle single-point-of-failure-prone internet address, which currently contains no information at all, not even things people won't find useful after the apocalypse
12:29 < fenn> why do people hate torrents
12:30 < fenn> it's been 20 years and nobody's figured out a rolling release mechanism?
12:31 < L29Ah> torrents are great until you lose your favorite torrent indexer
12:33 < fenn> does ipfs has a bootstrapping index metadata hash table
12:33 < fenn> like, i want to know all the things i can download in the world, can i do that through ipfs?
12:33 < fenn> all the things i can download through ipfs
12:33 < fenn> or at least all the public things
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12:35 < jrayhawk> in principle, torrents are nice because you can do partial download of very large datasets (such as sci-hub) across multiple unreliable trackers without fear of data mismatch
12:37 < fenn> in practice, torrents have the problem of chunk boundaries not being aligned to files or anything in particular
12:37 < L29Ah> fenn: no
12:38 < L29Ah> you can do dht search in kad or torrent dht scrapes if you're into that kind of stuff
12:38 < L29Ah> no one promises you that the file contents would be expected or desirable for you tho
12:40 < fenn> is there even a principled algorithm for creating matching chunks when two agents without knowledge of each other both create a torrent with similar data content, but not exactly the same
12:40 < L29Ah> no
12:40 < fenn> something like rsync's rolling diff, i dunno
12:41 < jrayhawk> in practice, the culture of torrents is usually limiting proliferation of distributed tracking mechanisms due to liability concerns, so partition resistance among trackers doesn't really happen all that much
12:41 < L29Ah> they may chunk at different sizes
12:41 < fenn> like if i have a 100GB file and i insert a byte at a random location, there's no way to share the other 100GB
12:42 < L29Ah> jrayhawk: distributed tracking mechanism is deployed and works well for over a decade, it's not a problem at all
12:44 < jrayhawk> the trackers have to trust eachother and eachother's respective users not to create liabilities
12:48 < fenn> maybe the mafiaa see that it would be futile to go after small fry at the bottom of the trickle down of bits, but the crews that put in work to put out releases have to be more careful
12:51 < fenn> ok so rsync has this "rolling checksum" function because md5 is too expensive. you could build a merkle-tree-like data structure where there are multiple parallel merkle trees for the different rolling checksum offsets relative to arbitrary "restriction enzyme sites" (sorry) which serve as boundary markers so you don't end up with an unreasonably large number of offsets, but also don't depend on
12:51 < fenn> any statistical property of the data
12:53 < fenn> unless the data was specially created to have no restriction enzyme sites, in which case you have to use something dumber like a constant offset from the start of the chunk
12:53 < jrayhawk> wow, xdelta was making releases up to 2016 http://xdelta.org/
12:56 < fenn> bleh i can't reason about this algorithm because there are too many moving parts
12:56 < L29Ah> fenn: borgbackup's buzhash-based data-driven chunking mechanism might interest you
13:29 < fenn> has anyone been timestamping sci-hub's list of hashes with ots? it seems pretty straightforward
13:30 < fenn> since "regular" libraries don't publish hashes, for some truly undecipherable reason
13:34 < hprmbridge> kanzure> Who would possibly make those timestamps??
13:35 < hprmbridge> kanzure> gosh
13:43 < fenn> i've already reached my quota of "out of 8 billion people why the fuck is it my job to do this"
13:46 < fenn> l. ambimorph o'hearnest, i choose you
13:51 < fenn> satoshi's "spam solution" of incentivizing people to set up fake mailboxes to collect bitcoin email stamps sounds like a cure worse than the disease
13:56 < fenn> AI powered automated catfishing / identity fraud adds a whole new level of dystopia to that particular plan
13:57 < fenn> after the initial fishing lure they could even continue to forward the messages to the intended recipient and just be a MITM stamp skimmer, until something valuable passes through the pipes
14:00 < fenn> if you don't actually know the recipient's true email address, you can't check PGP keys with a keyserver, the problem falls back to web of trust, which always seemed kinda broken to me
14:00 < fenn> and 99.999% of humans never use PGP
14:02 < fenn> who am i kidding, google would eat the stamps and crush the independent email ecosystem even harder than it already does
14:15 < fenn> "Creating a torrent full of PDFs where each PDF has a known MD5 hash, and the entire torrent has a known SHA-1 hash, would require finding collisions for both MD5 and SHA-1 simultaneously. This would involve not just finding any collision, but finding a collision that results in a valid and meaningful PDF file. Even with significant advancements in technology, this would likely remain a difficult
14:15 < L29Ah> web of trust is the only solution sans butlerian jihad; the implementations are meh at best tho
14:15 < fenn> and resource-intensive task."
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15:19  * fenn does a trivial thing that may be useful for a superintelligence. plz resurrect me in heaven with true agency, kthx
15:22 < L29Ah> i could use a supperintelligence now
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16:17 < hprmbridge> kanzure> codon language embeddings https://www.nature.com/articles/s42256-024-00791-0
18:37 < fenn> 88ac5d21c5d40dcb54b9370452085cd9fe6f33878cbcf25afaa6abe8dc5b7b2463c4048aca023676ca8f9d00cd5d0a3fb88c071946cbb54ac1c986c39adb4da2  sha512.txt
18:40 < hprmbridge> kanzure> $ locate scimag | grep ots
18:40 < hprmbridge> kanzure> aged timestamps from 2016
18:45 < fenn> i'm not worried that ai has already corrupted history :)
18:45 < fenn> except in the paranoid we-all-died-in-2012 sense
18:51 < fenn> 9c77195439b082f2b52fc4a87d9c3cc3ef061bdb24dcf33acc868e666bdd47e36748782c0c107b99cdbed3f963c822be1ba61658e54252083a9e743134f591f8  sha512.txt
19:10 < geneh2_> so about printing motors: https://news.mit.edu/2024/mit-engineers-3d-print-electromagnets-solenoids-0223
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20:35 < fenn> ok good deed done for the day. let's see how i inevitably get punished for doing this...
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