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03:12 < nsh> https://twitter.com/evilsocket/status/1763158813991993353
03:12 < nsh> .m https://twitter.com/evilsocket/status/1763158813991993353
03:12 < AugustaAva> ​twitter: <evilsocket> So Google just decided to close my Google Drive account for a ToS violation that never happened, I'm trying to appeal but there's a good chance I'll lose hundreds of GB of pictures, important data and whatnot. Do I know anybody that can help? :/
03:29 < nsh> i was being unfair to the 1-bit LLM paper authors. it is indeed potentially revolutionary if the sparsity of encoding allows the same effective representation transformations to occur through additive operations rather than multiplicative
03:30 < nsh> due to how matrix algebra operations scale
03:30 < nsh> i thought they were just coarse-graining but it's more to do with changing the internal representation to not depend on cross terms
03:30 < nsh> or something like that
03:31 < nsh> related to sparse representation and decentralised iterative diagonalisation 
03:31 < nsh> someone on HN points out ' IIRC, Hamming's book "Digital Filters" (1989) has a section on FFTs with only the sign of the coefficient being used. It performed surprisingly well. '
03:33 < nsh> what we're really learning is about how it's possible through distribution (dissociation) to store and recover data more efficiently wrt to scaling 
03:35 < nsh> but the benchmark are still a little dubious imho
03:35 < nsh> you get more meaningful sense of things from pushing against the wall of the limitations (finding out where you start to have fidelity divergences that are unacceptable relative to a use-case)
03:36 < nsh> .t https://www.researchgate.net/publication/372834606_ON_NON-ITERATIVE_NEURAL_ALGORITHMS_BASED_ON_THE_SEPARATION_OF_HIGH_DIMENSIONED_SAMPLE_POINTS_BY_HYPERPLANES
03:36 < saxo> Just a moment...
03:37 < nsh> https://gpt3experiments.substack.com/p/building-a-vector-database-in-2gb
03:37 < nsh> -> https://speech-kws.ozonetel.com/wiki
04:03 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "Rendering protein structures inside cells at the atomic level with Unreal Engine" https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.12.08.570879v1.full
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06:28 < kanzure> "use a jet engine as the first stage of a rocket" https://twitter.com/Andercot/status/1763063321857757210
06:28 < kanzure> isn't this the plot of an anime? https://youtu.be/8cWHHvAO4Fg?t=1002
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07:15 < geneh2_> it's an unusual concept, but there may be advantages to not needing to carry oxidizer
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10:43 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://humanaigc.github.io/emote-portrait-alive/
10:43 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Audio+image to video
10:44 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Sounds like it could be amazing for making videos from comic books
10:44 < hprmbridge> nmz787> But no code was released
10:52 < jrayhawk> https://www.maximum-progress.com/p/surgery-works-well-without-the-fda
10:53 < jrayhawk> https://atelfo.substack.com/p/but-does-surgery-really-work-well
10:58 < jrayhawk> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2740882/ "Genetic enhancement of cognition in a kindred with cone–rod dystrophy due to RIMS1 mutation"
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18:59 < hprmbridge> kanzure> scottish blind wizard mutation (RIMS1) (allegedly adds 20 IQ points but makes you go blind) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2740882/
18:59 < hprmbridge> kanzure> (picture of text, source unknown) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1212957442850430976/image0.jpg?ex=65f3b9a6&is=65e144a6&hm=968dd974816609d56271737907f76361c91ccf92eff80d755c2b21fd2096a662&
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21:18 < adlai> this is the wrong place for waffling about "Crimes Against Humanity", right?
21:19  * adlai has been thinking much more about that topic, given local news [the conflict in Gaza] and the recent court case that was heard against the Israeli government
21:20 < adlai> it is a topic that has slippery slopes to various political topics, although I think there are also regions within the space of conversation that are not solely politics and possibly even pertinent in this channel
21:22 < adlai> [ personal concerns about my safety are unwarranted ; I am more likely to get injured from drinking too much, or get hit by a food delivery scooter, than from rockets or various other military dangers ]
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21:38 < jrayhawk> unrelated wedge issues go to twitter
21:41 < jrayhawk> unless there's some practical angle for transhumanism, such as a rhetorical one
21:43 < adlai> well -- since I'm not kicked yet! -- I'll simply leave the trailing edge of what I considered relevant to here, and then hold off unless some quorum of conversation participants revives the topic.
21:43 < jrayhawk> thank you
21:44 < adlai> reading more about the working definition of genocide used by the currently powerful sovereigns, I was surprised to see that one of the specific clauses listed was harming reproductive freedom.
21:45 < adlai> if you consider Malthus, and the current resource scarcity problems faced by the simple numeric majority of human households, going crazy with reproductive freedom is arguably a bad idea for humanity as a whole, although this is probably not news to anyone here.
21:46 < jrayhawk> what resource scarcity?
21:46 < adlai> scarcity, from the perspective of individual households -- famine etc.
21:46 < adlai> I realise there is no scarcity at the global level, only extreme allocation inequalities.
21:47 < jrayhawk> that would be the wrong framing
21:47 < jrayhawk> there are difficult coordination problems, especially in low-trust environments
21:47 < adlai> anyway, I was surprised to see that one society harming the reproductive freedom of individuals within another society is part of the definition of genocide. in retrospect it makes sense, when you think about superorganisms competing and undermining the pertetuation process of their rivals.
21:50 < adlai> so tying off the tangential relevance, is the topic parallel and related to transhumanism, of the individual fitting into a larger superorganism; regardless of which individual entities the individual recognizes, even the most powerful individuals in the world today are part of some society, cult, commune, family, etc., and have interactions with one or more of the sovereign nations.
21:51  * adlai was simply saying hello, and expressing some worry about worsening refugee crises; tangent pointer completed, resume golden silence :)
21:54 < jrayhawk> https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/galton-ehrlich-buck has some good overview on some of the history, there
22:11 < jrayhawk> this is relevant to transhumanism in the sense that the concept of eugenics needs to be politically rescued from its association with coercion and absurdly parochical genocidal bigots
22:11 < adlai> HGP-write would have been considered one stepping-stone in eugenics, 150 years ago.
22:13 < adlai> I think the word "eugenics" is simply dead for a few centuries beginning around 1900 ; you can throw it around like any other lexeme, although it kills the prospects of any publication.
22:14 < jrayhawk> there's no getting away from it; literally any invocation of positive outcomes around genetics is semantically identical to eu-genics
22:14 < jrayhawk> completely effective treatments for debilitating genetic polymorphisms should be widespread by this point, but instead we're stuck with incredibly wasteful screening processes because everyone's terrified of being labelled a nazi
22:14 < adlai> the idea of shaping societal destiny is not new ; plenty of cultures do things like cull children, it is simply not commonly advertised as a selling point of cultures, beyond the occasional idolising of ancient Sparta.
22:15 < adlai> I think much of the hesitation from professionals to label their work heu-genics is that there is infinitie interaction risk once you begin releasing treatments into actual populations.
22:16 < jrayhawk> if that were true, they'd be pursuing the areas where there's nothing to lose
22:16 < jrayhawk> i.e. conditions with 100% childhood mortality
22:16 < adlai> nah, they simply avoid the greek prefix of highest purity, "heu", and talk about different fields build on -genics.
22:16 < adlai> genomics, genetics, etc.
22:17 < adlai> similarly to how no serious politician builds a platform around turning some shithole into "utopia"
22:17 < adlai> (same linguistic prefix)
22:21 < jrayhawk> i don't think jiankui ever invoked the term eugenics, but he still got politically slapped down as if he did
22:25 < adlai> anyway, H.sapiens is still far from fracturing into the kind of speciated genus described in the Ringworld novels.
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22:36 < jrayhawk> huh, actually a different root https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(More_book)#Title
22:36 < adlai> it's not heu-topos ?
22:37 < jrayhawk> apparently english-speakers mangled it into that pronunciation against the author's objections
22:37 < adlai> thank you for reminding me of what I almost certainly forgot in some previous conversation about these and similar words !
22:39 < jrayhawk> i am pretty as it's been used for the past two centuries is more consistent with your interpretation, of course
22:44 < jrayhawk> the systemized objection in the case of utopia is the notion that there can be a "perfect" society (immediately dysqualifying the promoters of such a concept as everything in biology comes down to game theory and anti-induction, so all systems need to be prepared to change)
22:44 < jrayhawk> which can be arived at either by principle or by induction; the visionaries of "perfect societies" of the past have left a convincing trail of skulls
22:45 < jrayhawk> s/arived/arrived
22:46 < jrayhawk> and a similar objection could be made to "perfect genetics" (again, game theory and skulls)
22:47 < jrayhawk> but eugenics hasn't come to mean "perfect genetics" the way utopia has come to mean "perfect state/society"
22:48 < jrayhawk> so replacing utopia with a term that means "good state" can work rhetorically
22:48 < jrayhawk> whereas replacing eugenics with a term that means "good genes" will not
22:57 < jrayhawk> and, realistically, the goal of the prohibition against eugenics (preventing coersive sterilization and genocide) is worth keeping around, it just need to be made more specific. working around it with semantic games, if it succeeds, will invite disaster again.
23:10 < jrayhawk> although, this could be similar to the semantic treadmill of avoiding vernacularized medical terminology around the concepts of "stupid" or "insane"; moving to a new word constantly isn't going to magically remove the negative affect, but it does distinguish those users who do not have the wit, time, and connections to keep up with the latest fashions.
23:10 < adlai> well I personally think that most of the modern political documents [e.g. UN's charter of human rights, and whatever the source of the definition for genocide used in the recent case against Israel] are suffering from similar problems as the US Constitution, although on a narrower timescale.
23:12 < adlai> it's obviously good that such organisations actually publish their documents, rather than merely farting around and occasionally striking a match; however, the world has changed almost as much since the authoring of the Charter of Human Rights, as it has since the authoring of the US Constitution.
23:12 < adlai> even if you are a total literalist, you must choose some frequency to publish your continuing adherence to the original text.
23:14 < jrayhawk> i don't see how that relates
23:14 < adlai> game theory does have a concept of "games against nature"; I wonder to what extent this is considered in statecraft, rather than presuming that you can completely specify the interests and strategies of some threatening minority.
23:16 < adlai> I skipped over my thought, "infringing reproductive freedom could be interpreted more broadly than the narrow complaint of catalyzing natural abortions by making the environment terrible", because it seemed obvious and I was aiming at the further sentences.
23:16 < adlai> although, there, that is the direct connection of my ADHD blurts.
23:17 < jrayhawk> oh, that's interesting
23:18 < jrayhawk> "infringing reproductive freedom" does sound a lot like preventing parents from modifying CCR5 
23:21 < jrayhawk> you really did bring that around to something rhetorically and politically useful
23:22 < jrayhawk> i just missed it earlier
23:24 < adlai> the narrow definition is obviously the opposite of H+ ; however, even in the context of the current Gaza conflict, few people are concerned only with the narrow definition, and extrapolating to its various interpretations reminded me of this place.
23:29 < hprmbridge> kanzure> welcome back.
23:30 < adlai> grazie!
23:31 < adlai> where does the hprmbridge go?
23:32 < hprmbridge> kanzure> The other end of the rainbow is... discord 😦
23:33 < adlai> keep your glittering pots, thank you
23:33 < jrayhawk> haha
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