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09:58 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Fenn https://youtu.be/E5pZ7uR6v8c
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11:06 < fenn> .t
11:06 < saxo> AMAZING VIDEO! Man Lifts 20 Ton Block By Hand? - YouTube
11:07 < fenn> "Study Featuring AI-Generated Giant Rat Penis Retracted, Journal Apologizes" the hazards of porn models being the best image generators
11:07 < fenn> https://video-images.vice.com/articles/65cf716207a19bc183680a84/lede/1708093819347-your-paragraph-text-76.jpeg
11:09 < fenn> "It’s unclear how this all got through the editing, peer review, and publishing process. Motherboard contacted the paper’s U.S.-based reviewer, Jingbo Dai of Northwestern University, who said that it was not his responsibility to vet the obviously incorrect images. (The second reviewer is based in India.)"
11:10 < fenn> “Specifically, the author is responsible for checking the factual accuracy of any content created by the generative AI technology,” Frontier’s policy states.
11:11 < fenn> strange that they have no process to block such things before publication, only a retraction mechanism
11:18 < ike8> David Sinclair commentated on it a while back too
11:18 < ike8> https://twitter.com/davidasinclair/status/1758180218064290253
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11:29 < fenn> nmz787: Wally Wallington was destined to make walls
11:37 < TMA> there is no money in not publishing (irrespective of the publication model: pay per publish/pay per read). there is zero incentive to have some process that prevents publishing
11:37 < TMA> retractions are for cleaning up the fallout
11:38 < Betawolf> frontiers(in) is known for junk
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16:33 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> ironic of sinclair to make fun of junk science https://twitter.com/mkaeberlein/status/1764361555557380198
16:36 < L29Ah> .t
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18:34 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://aiascendant.substack.com/p/extropias-children-chapter-5-irrationalism
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21:09 < hprmbridge> Eli> Science is rife with fraud. There are alignment issues with what is best for scientists and what is best for science. Then you throw in the issues of ego and potential self-delusion. Sinclair has made some incredible claims. We will see how history judges him.
21:14 < hprmbridge> Eli> also, you have the issue of weird stuff happening in science that no one can figure out. For example, the ITP has three testing sites. At one site all of the mice consistently live up to 10% longer than at the other two sites. They’ve tried to change every variable but they can’t figure it out. And it’s purely a site specific issue. When the ITP studies come out they just have to make mathematical
21:14 < hprmbridge> Eli> adjustments for that site to show alignment with the other two sites.
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21:45 < fenn> jon evans' extropia's children was an excellent introductory overview to ... all this stuff
22:25 < fenn> chris phoenix wrote (a long time ago) "Carl Delacato's work. In cultures where babies are not allowed to crawl, almost everyone is dyslexic.
22:25 < fenn> Dyslexics have the ability to imagine what something would look like if they look at it from different directions--they can mentally "walk around" an object and see what it looks like from all different angles. This becomes a standard way of resolving visual confusion, and usually happens too fast for the dyslexic to be conscious that they are even doing it.
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22:29 < fenn> ... and then a bunch of anecdotes about training your minds eye to stay still, and various mental superpower stories which aren't very impressive
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22:36 < fenn> isn't any IQ above 100 a counterexample to algernon's law?
22:37 < fenn> assuming they successfully reproduce, which seems to have happened
22:39 < fenn> is the smartest human in the last 200 years really smarter than the smartest in the previous 1000 years?
22:40 < fenn> excluding flynn effect stuff, and agency enabling superpowers like social egalitarianism. just the genetic diversity due to more mutations due to a larger population
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22:55 < fenn> "cognitive scientists of the future will have to exclude altered humans from the sample of any study not specifically geared to them."
22:55 < fenn> bit of a delicate matter, that exclusion process
22:56 < fenn> you can't just have [ ] check here if you are an UNNATURAL ABOMINATION
22:56 < fenn> they may not even know or suspect until receiving the test scores
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23:17 < adlai> I believe best practice is to first estimate what proportion of randomly chosen participants will get filtered out by the exclusion, compensate by selecting more than necessary, and then include the exclusion test in your study rather than requesting self-report.
23:17 < adlai> so your study includes both datapoints eventually ruled invalid [or irrelevant], and the questions that enable you to filter out those datapoints in the analysis stage
23:18 < adlai> this approach improves blinding, because neither the participants nor the administrators of the actual in-person evaluation need be aware of the details of the relevance criterea
23:21  * adlai has never encountered that description of dyslexia before; it is somewhat consistent with the difficulty in "reading" words; specifically, deterministically converting one sequence of letters to one lexeme, rather than the sequence of letters to the multiset of letters and then to a selection from a large set of possible words
23:22 < adlai> although it's much simpler for crawlers to imagine rotating three-dimensional objects, than shuffling N-dimensional N-grams
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