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00:13 < hprmbridge> kanzure> mentions don't convey thru the bot
00:16 < fenn> yeah i got hung up on asyncio
00:16 < fenn> you have to look up the discord user id number
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04:43 < hprmbridge> kanzure> who will make the compiler to convert circuits to mechanical gear logic?
04:43 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://github.com/philipturner/rod-logic
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06:45 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://miniver.blogspot.com/2024/03/tescreal.html?m=1
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08:29 < hprmbridge> misha_88605> What are the gene treatments for adults and embryos that are available now? Do you maintain that list
08:52 < kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications
09:58 < adlai> in the interest of improving the level of conversation, I wish complectification of some arguably vernacular terms from a few days ago ...
09:58 < adlai> specifically, virtuous and retards
09:59 < adlai> someone can be considered virtuous, unvirtuous, or anti-virtuous ; similar to how correlation coefficients can be positive, vanishing, or negative ... and even considered to have modulus and argument, if you're geeking out far enough.
10:00 < adlai> I've not decided whether a similar expansion of terminology can be done to the term "retard", although there is definitely an important disambiguation between retards and retarders.
10:01 < adlai> "retard" is simply a childish slur, usually serving to glibly dismiss on the basis of arguably unquantifiable intelligence
10:01 < adlai> "retarder" is someone who deliberately, and possibly maliciously, gums up the works
10:04 < adlai> obviously the most commonly encountered case of this is the cheapest kind of sabotage - reducing the utility of social interaction by introducing nonlocal associations and counterproductive conversation
10:05 < adlai> such is sometimes helpful when you're trying to be creative, or casting about optimistically for parallel ideas in research, although it's effectively chloroform against the workshop.
10:07 < adlai> however, a retarder might not be a malicious saboteur; there is also importance to slowing your pace to the point where, if the unproductive chitchat is aborted, you still have the available brainpower for OODA loops.
10:08 < adlai> so I'm inclined towards considering that the three nouns retard, retarder, and saboteur are a completely different line through meaning-space than the adjectives virtuous, unvirtuous, and anti-virtuous.
10:47 < hprmbridge> nmz787> that's a shame
11:04 < hprmbridge> nmz787> adlai, what about "retarded"?
11:04 < hprmbridge> nmz787> that seems to be used both childishly/slurly... but also in a legit manner too
11:06 < hprmbridge> nmz787> also "retard" is commonly used in things like timing for combustion engines
11:07 < hprmbridge> nmz787> (opposite of "advance")
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13:23 < hprmbridge> nmz787> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06980-y
13:23 < hprmbridge> nmz787> A 3D nanoscale optical disk memory with petabit capacity
13:50 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "Alliance for the Future is a new Washington D.C. based nonprofit organization. We’re a coalition of entrepreneurs, technologists, and policy experts who believe that artificial intelligence will transform our world for the better. We have banded together to oppose the escalating panic around AI."
13:50 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.affuture.org/about/
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14:07 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://medium.com/@andrewhessel/i-plan-to-be-cloned-would-you-like-to-join-me-99d0249e88f7
14:07 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "clone curious"
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15:21 < fenn> soybean oil has more CoQ10 than beef heart? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coenzyme_Q10#Dietary_concentrations
15:22 < fenn> that's a bit of a confounding variable then
15:22 < fenn> it's supposed to be some neutral fatty food additive, not a mitochondrial antioxidant
15:24 < L29Ah> what's the consensus on phytoestrogens in consumed soybean oil?
15:27 < fenn> someone tell philip turner to switch to orthographic projection
15:29 < fenn> this is acutally difficult to see what's going on https://raw.githubusercontent.com/philipturner/rod-logic/main/Documentation/RodActuation_Frame1.jpg
15:30 < L29Ah> click "New issue"
15:33 < fenn> is there some way to get rid of this ?tab=readme-ov-file thing that keeps appearing?
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15:39 < fenn> does anyone else get flickering visual artifacts from that image?
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15:49  * fenn grumbles about microsoft
15:49 < fenn> .t https://gist.github.com/vogler/74edff6de37c3a13eeff8c99c6bed910
15:50 < saxo> GitHub: remove `?tab=readme-ov-file` from URL · GitHub
15:50 < fenn> they're all "i don't see a problem? what's wrong with adding garbage to every url?"
16:55 < fenn> self esteem https://i.imgur.com/6Mj8nYW.png
17:10 < L29Ah> 23:39:06]<fenn> does anyone else get flickering visual artifacts from that image?
17:10 < L29Ah> the blind spot ones, i think
18:09 < fenn> If the Author of the Software (the "Author") needs a place to crash and you have  a sofa available, you should maybe give the Author a break and let him sleep on  your couch. If you are caught in a dire situation wherein you only have enough  time to save one person out of a group, and the Author is a member of that group,  you must save the Author.
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20:04 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> Some protocols for embryonic trans gene infection (transfection) https://ectopialab.org/2022/04/19/microinjection/
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20:09 < Guest64> Greetings from the Transgenic Human Genome Alternatives Project - thGAP     https://archive.org/details/thGAP/thGAP_booklet_screen/
20:10 < Guest64> Home of the CGCB - Creative Germline Construct Bank, an online open source bioinformatics database of diverse genetic constructs-chassis for transgene infection jacked into the human germline
20:11 < fenn> Guest64: why the odd capitalization?
20:11 < fenn> is it a pun on "mind the gap"?
20:12 < fenn> ah nm /me reads
20:13 < Guest64> Its a public understanding of mutagenic materials, methods and wide anglez aesthetics!
20:14 < Guest64> The ten points forward has grown to 22.
20:14 < fenn> speak english please
20:15 < Guest64> Well in the PDF there are ten ways forward towards open source genome bending
20:15 < Guest64> https://archive.org/details/thGAP/thGAP_booklet_screen/
20:16 < Guest64> for instance: 8. Fertilization+ Embryo Sorting biohacking pseudopregnancy, embryo implantation and selective reduction 9. NADLinc Tribe Building
20:17 < Guest64> on page 43
20:18 < fenn> is there a way for the reader to expand the acronyms?
20:19 < fenn> Bioarts Ethical Advisory Komission (BEAK)  Legal, Ethical, Societal and Libidinal implications (LESLi)
20:21 < fenn> relying on google to continue to work in the future is a bad idea
20:21 < Guest64> Well I wonder what it would take to produce a Public Transfection of hESC (human Embryonic Stem Cells in a Hands on Lab/Workshop?
20:23 < fenn> "Menstrual Egg Hunt sponsored by Diva Cup" seems unlikely to work
20:23 < fenn> has this ever been demonstrated?
20:24 < Guest64> Yes one egg (ovum) may be salvageable per month if you can find it in the menstrual blood.
20:25 < Guest64> They may be over ripe, flushing the uterus suggested for speedy recovery.
20:32 < fenn> i would recommend against using "non-commercial" licenses in the future
20:33 < fenn> it's often very unclear what is meant by "non-commercial" and many free culture organizations such as wikipedia and debian (and their sweet sweet infrastructure) will refuse to touch it
20:34 < fenn> i realize the license is probably a joke
20:35 < fenn> this takes a lot of effort to read and i'm not really feeling it right now, perhaps someone else is around to engage
20:38 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> oh you mean the
20:38 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> thGAP is subject to the bylaws of the GENERIC CREATIVE COMMONS NON-ATTRIBUTION, NON-COMMERCIAL, SHAREALIKE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY EXPLICIT MODEL RELEASE SUBMISSIVE HUMAN RESEARCH PARTICIPANT LICENSE (“GCCPNANCSAEMRSHRPL")
20:38 < hprmbridge> az.bioart>
20:38 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> World Congress on New Reproductive Technology Arts i
20:38 < hprmbridge> az.bioart>
20:38 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> Mind thGAP_ workshops guide public contributions to the Transgenic Human Genome Alternatives Project (thGAP) by uploading to )Creative Germline Constructs Bank (CGCB) an open source bioinformatic database for use with the ee Generic Open-Source Plasmid for Human Arts (GOSPHA) atool developedtohelp anyone J paste genes into the human genome.
20:38 < hprmbridge> az.bioart>
20:38 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> pCas-Guide 8.0 kb
20:38 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> Length... yeah I know...
20:39 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> well i am falling asleep here too... just popping in
20:39 < fenn> backwards DNA helix is always a bad sign
20:39 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> and
20:39 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> GENERIC CREATIVE COMMONS NON-ATTRIBUTION, NON-COMMERCIAL, SHAREALIKE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY EXPLICIT MODEL RELEASE SUBMISSIVE HUMAN RESEARCH PARTICIPANT LICENSE (“GCCPNANCSAEMRSHRPL")
20:39 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> is a little much for me too.
20:41 < fenn> Guest64: illegibility is sometimes useful but try not to cross into poe's law territory
20:44 < fenn> also be aware that your children will try to murder you
20:48 < Guest64> Yeah that's that antiGMO Alabama IVF moFo Tax
20:48 < fenn> "safe harbor" = "landing pad"
20:50 < fenn> .gpt4 explain the difference between "safe harbor" and "landing pad" sites in genetic engineering
20:51 < fenn> is it dead too
20:52 < gptpaste> ​In genetic engineering, the terms "safe harbor" and "landing pad" sites refer to specific locations within a genome that have been identified or engineered for the insertion of foreign DNA. While both concepts share the goal of enabling precise and controlled genetic modifications, they are used in slightly different contexts and have distinct characteristics.### Safe Har - https://bin.gy/cottvildes
20:54 < fenn> oh so apparently the queering of biotech regards tissue culture as "zombie flesh"
20:55 < fenn> really it's quite hard enough to understand biotech jargon already without introducing a thieves cant
21:07 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> Totally undead dude, and yeah its toothy but one man's jargon is only as safe as it-thist's safe harbor... Landing pads are graded as to their off-target mutation homologue predicability quotients but yeah they are USB Port to the human germline... germline gene editing is a text to flesh zombie reanimation pathway towards free expression. To hand it to y'all, at least you read. And read
21:07 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> critically please!
21:10 < fenn> well the whole thing turns me off, really. there's no such thing as an ironic orgasm. creating a person when your overriding sense of "what art is" is whether it meets the contemporary standards of irony, is, well, bullshit
21:11 < fenn> if your art is irony, and children are art, this implies that the children are created ironically
21:11 < fenn> that is heinous
21:11 < fenn> you better actually believe in something if you're creating a person to embody it
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21:16 < fenn> at least the furries are honest
21:19 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> Proper or Prepper? What about flexible biodiverse survival of the subaltern not the 'best? But yeah Furries are karmaFree in a way im not trying to authenticate. Faith or Belief is not what art is based on, its actually closer to the higher forms of research, curiosity based (as in goaless) inquiry into the possible.
21:21 < fenn> we have to do better than evolution
21:22 < fenn> the space of suffering miserable life is much larger than the space of happy life
21:23 < fenn> you won't get happy life on accident
21:23 < fenn> aim for the target
21:33 < Guest64> Transgenic Platform Studies imply Breeding, Mating, Techno.Reproduction, Weaning, Experimenting, Culling...
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21:35 < Guest64> Comedy, Best Happy Joy Joy Life is OK as. engineering but a pure research approach finds the nuanced ripples in all biodiversity as pallete for creative human bodypod bodymod. I do like whoever is slappin gthe biofilm up in here tho.
21:36 < fenn> the chaos will take care of itself. it sneaks in at every opportunity, so there's no need to add extra chaos. you'll just get a smear or a splatter and that's boring
21:40 < Guest64> Like Abstract Expressionism instead of the Vitruvian Super Hero kind of boring? Like optimizing the human genome, defragging any bugs and streamlining perfectionism? Hmmmm... novel. Yet the software is also a sort of ancestry record, a biopolitical census of a most biodiverse and most homogenized pool of breeds. It is also a record of lives,
21:40 < Guest64> deaths, sexual encounters and medical histories that imply a completely closed world. There is no outside of surveillance in the human-animal facility.
21:41 < Guest64> https://ectopialab.org/2022/04/01/transgenic-embryo-implantation/
21:42 < Guest64> But the health aesthetic will get you bigger funding streams.
21:51 < hprmbridge> kanzure> who turned on the chaos function in here?
22:06 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> Just yr friendly neighborhood bioart chaote.
22:07 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> Lets have a TMA sesh on the ISS and sort Prognoses
22:10 < hprmbridge> az.bioart> https://tenor.com/view/senpairetro-retro-senpai-senpai_retro-retro-retromanny-gif-25300480
22:12 < fenn> Guest64: you have confused the map and the territory. there is no such thing as a "health aesthetic" when we can't even define health
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23:11 < fenn> "American abstract expressionism. The critics at the KGB tolerated it, but they didn't like it very much." more like, they didn't want their memetic weapons coming home and wrecking their own empire
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