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03:10 < adlai> fenn: spoiler?
03:12 < adlai> 2024-03-14 search log for... U.S. law cannot commit crimes." i'm not sure how exactly, but this seems exploitable ; and then reread first novel of Robot Chronicle, i.e. The Caves of Steel
03:13  * adlai finds the whole concept of qualifying automated systems based on whether they're "human-level" childish
03:14 < adlai> sure, if you raised the slave from HeLa dishes and Erdosian jizz, you'd be infineetely wise; lend me a trivial lemma?
04:23 < nsh> indeed the phrasing presupposes a one dimensional way of thinking about intelligence that is naive to the point of being facile
04:23 < nsh> but that's sadly par for the course
04:24 < nsh> it's slightly better to talk about these things with respect to particular tasks
04:24 < nsh> it's hard beating a bag of sand at the job of being ballast
04:25 < nsh> there are as many kinds of intelligence as there are things that can be done better or worse
05:36 < jrayhawk> https://www.yahoo.com/tech/montana-man-pleads-guilty-creating-003000858.html but are they as delicious as mammoths?
05:48 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68225269/united-states-v-schubarth/
06:51 < hprmbridge> Eli> When AI achieves conciousness will it need therapists? 🤔
07:00 < L29Ah> AI™ therapists are called "machine learners" these days
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08:30 < hprmbridge> nmz787> I wonder how long it took them to figure out the plan for the first 70 and 150 bases. 150 doesn't even sound like much at all for a file table
09:00 < nsh> the Eli achieves non-dualism will there be great celebration?
09:01 < nsh> consciousness in degrees, consciousness is manners, consciousness of particularities
09:01 < nsh> all more useful than conscious or not 
09:01 < nsh> if you can avoid thinking in dualistic terms for just a minute each day that's a minute better spent than otherwise :)
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14:29 < fenn> re the king sheep, "The Lacey Act prohibits interstate trade in wildlife that has been taken, possessed, transported or sold in violation of federal or state law. "
14:29 < fenn> so if Schubarth had written a de-novo sheep genome from scratch he'd be in the clear?
14:29 < fenn> using livestock sheep
14:35 < fenn> we talk about intelligence as a single thing because (in humans) the capabilities on different tests are all highly correlated
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14:42 < fenn> why isn't colossal biosciences charged with felony trafficking in critically endangered wildlife parts?
14:43 < fenn> i don't see how it's any different. it's not like mammoths can't escape and go feral and damage existing ecosystems
14:44 < fenn> there are zero Ovis ammon polii in montana, there are zero wooly mammoths in montana
14:45 < fenn> creating more of an endangered species is good for it
14:47 < fenn> why should the animals that humans extincted first get the unfair side of the deal? if we're going to bring back extinct species, they have to go *somewhere* not just be kept in zoos for eternity
14:50 < hprmbridge> kanzure> some of those laws in the indictment were set before we knew about genomes or DNA
14:50 < hprmbridge> kanzure> and yes it shows we are entirely unserious about conservation
14:50 < fenn> frankly i don't understand what harm was caused, and especially why this is a felony
14:51 < L29Ah> some important asshole's foot was stepped on?
14:51 < hprmbridge> kanzure> we won't know because the montana goat king has pled guilty
14:52 < hprmbridge> kanzure> something something hoardes of bulletproof mutant hog swarms down in texas
14:53 < fenn> manbearpigs
14:53 < fenn> a hybrid of agricultural hogs and the mandrill
14:53 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://helibacon.com/
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14:58 < fenn> you must weigh under 425 pounds
15:03 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> the sheep guy was basically just cloning the sheep to skirt wildlife trafficking laws, since it'd be illegal to import live giant sheep. Colossal is a long way from making a mammoth and I'm sure they can afford lawyers when/if it happens
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15:07 < fenn> cloning the sheep wasn't in itself illegal though, it was the "trafficking" i.e. importation of endangered sheep parts
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15:08 < fenn> if we kill all the Ovis ammon polii in kyrgyzstan will they suddenly be fair game for cloning? how does that make sense?
15:10 < fenn> presumably the anti-trafficking laws are there to prevent the species from going extinct. making more of them is working toward the same goal
15:36 < TMA> you cannot subvert the letter of a law by pointing finger to its presumed intent
15:38 < L29Ah> don't US judges do it all the time?
15:43 < TMA> that's different. they are vested with the power to do so, unlike mere humans
15:56 < TMA> in Christopher Paolini's Eragon the titular protagonist lays a curse (meant as a blessing) on a little girl. he says something like "you shall be shield from evil" instead of "you shall be shielded from evil", because he does not speak the magic language well. the intent merely makes the girl grow fast to withstand the abuse of being the "shield from evil", it does not shield her at all
16:00 < fenn> this is pretty much how i imagine asimov robots https://twitter.com/historyinmemes/status/1768853699009687732
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16:04 < fenn> non twitter version https://youtu.be/RiTfe-ckD_g
16:19 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Fenn you probably can't watch this but maybe you can https://www.facebook.com/reel/223543774104755?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
16:20 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Some sort of thai (I think) agricultural monorail
16:20 < fenn> yep those are popular in japan
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17:23 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> fenn the laws are also to prevent introduction of non-native species willy-nilly. New world species and biomes often get "stunted on" by those from the old world, to use the technical term
17:23 < fenn> .ud stunted on
17:23 < saxo> stunt means to floss, others say flex wich means to show [off your shit] like cars, jewelery, clothes and show that your [getting money] ..... also stunt means to tell somebody youre gonna do something .. and you end up not coming through. youre a "stunt" .. you tell a girl youre gonna take her on a date and you end up standing her up, blowing her off .... you [stunted] on her
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18:34 < hprmbridge> kanzure> jewett's pearl biotech inks $1 billion dollar merck deal
18:34 < fenn> pretty soon you're talking about real money
18:35 < fenn> "to discover biologic therapies comprising non-standard amino acids"
18:36 < fenn> this sounds like an environmental disaster in the making
18:37 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "great, now the virulent cancer has acquired ncAAs..."
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22:10 < hprmbridge> robertmcdougal_73197> Hi, so we are trying to make super genius babies?
22:26 < fenn> one response might be, "that depends. are you?"
22:28 < fenn> https://diyhpl.us/wiki/genetic-modifications/
22:35 < hprmbridge> kanzure> there is no try, only do
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