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03:45 < TMA> there is no "unlicensed code" it is either licensed in a separate agreement and the metadata pointing to the agreement are missing or there the implicit license that for example permits the licensee to view the movie poster they bought, it permits them to put it on a wall and so on
03:47 < TMA> but the implicit license is vague and only the court can tell what the terms really are. Can you sell a photo of your room, if the poster hangs on its wall?
03:50 < TMA> using code without license metadata might be therefore ok or not. unless each individual case is decided in court, we cannot really tell
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03:54 < TMA> the best course of action is probably for the LLM companies to perform the training in some jurisdiction that does not enforce copyrights and sell it from a jurisdiction that does
03:57 < TMA> then the LLM companies would not need to comply but their customers will
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04:26 < nsh> .m https://twitter.com/_akhaliq/status/1770673356821442847
04:26 < AugustaAva> ​twitter: <_akhaliq> DepthFM ␤  ␤ Fast Monocular Depth Estimation with Flow Matching ␤  ␤ Monocular depth estimation is crucial for numerous downstream vision tasks and applications. Current discriminative approaches to this problem are limited due to blurry artifacts, while state-of-the-art generative https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GJKyCKAXsAAkbuj.jpg
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05:47 < kanzure> vernor vinge has died
05:48 < kanzure> https://file770.com/vernor-vinge-1944-2024/
05:51 < kanzure> https://foundersfund.com/2024/02/hereticon-2024/
05:57 < kanzure> https://medium.com/@jnebos/i-thought-i-understood-bitcoin-until-now-07e064c4ba7a
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05:57 < kanzure> "The restrictions on hash bits used by “hashcash” are just a variant of the “puzzles” that Ralph Merkle envisioned decades earlier."
06:19 < nsh> that is true only in a sense so loose as to be not worth observing
06:20 < nsh> (that both allow for decision problems whose solutions are easy to check but hard to enumerate)
06:21 < nsh> actually no, they're more similar than that i suppose
06:26 < nsh> you have a variable difficulty factor which for hashcash is the number of zero bytes required in the digest output and for merkle puzzles is the number of message,key pairs sent generated and sent in the set-up (from which one is chosen to be bruteforced establishing the shared key)
06:26 < nsh> but the computations are of course quite different 
06:27 < nsh> what matters is the relationship between the costs for the parties 
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08:08 < kanzure> https://github.com/gitpod-io/openvscode-server
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08:56 < nsh> someone scatting to John Coltrane - Giant Steps: https://twitter.com/abcdentminded/status/1770491494966665361  cc sbp
08:57 < nsh> oops wrong chan
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11:42 < kanzure> https://3e.org/vvannot/
12:08 < hprmbridge> kanzure> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39782745
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12:44 < hprmbridge> nmz787> nsh pretty cool. We just attended a shakti concert about 5 or 6 months ago
12:44 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Would be interested to hear just her voice without the sax also
13:12 < gwillen> sorry for not searching the history, I'm sure it's probably been discussed, but what are people's views on oxford nanopore?
13:12 < gwillen> I'm curious because they have a booth here at GTC and I was chatting with their rep
13:14 < hprmbridge> kanzure> there's definitely oxford nano in the history yeah
13:16 < gwillen> the stuff they're doing seems very exciting, and I'm curious about the limitations as seen from a perspective that isn't their trade show rep
13:16 < gwillen> it seems much further along than I realized 
13:17 < hprmbridge> yashgaroth> low accuracy is the main one
13:17 < gwillen> "we've made improvements in accuracy" was definitely one of the selling points she was pushing, yeah
13:36 < gwillen> ah, the consumables are also freakishly expensive 
13:50 < nsh> hprmbridge, aye
13:50 < nsh> *nmz787 even
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14:38 < hprmbridge> kanzure> ""Sandor at The Zoo" etc. was a reference to Henry Spencer, who was known on Usenet for his especially clear posts. He posted from utzoo (University of Toronto Zoology.)"
15:43 < hprmbridge> kanzure> cloud seeding thiel fellow https://twitter.com/ADoricko
16:10 < fenn> they (local county government) tried cloud seeding northern california with silver iodide smoke bombs on top of mount shasta. success! more forest growth than in recent history. then the biggest most expensive wildfire in history! yay!
16:11 < hprmbridge> kanzure> did they neglect forest management and burns?
16:11 < fenn> of course
16:12 < fenn> there's no clear line between "forest management" and "rape and pillage"
16:12 < fenn> i'm not really sure who to blame for that
16:28 < fenn> .m https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1729352212248453334
16:28 < AugustaAva> ​twitter: <PalmerLuckey> It would be great if somebody/somenation would modify the climate in some way they desire so everyone can at least stop arguing that it can't be done and, instead, argue about what climate is best overall. ␤  ␤ Ideally someone disliked by popular media, to ensure coverage.
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20:10 < fenn> wei dai wrote: "I once did think that working on security was the best way to push the future towards a positive Singularity and away from a negative one. I started working on my Crypto++ Library shortly after reading Vernor Vinge's A Fire Upon the Deep. I believe it was the first general purpose open source cryptography library, and it's still one of the most popular. (Studying cryptography led
20:10 < fenn> me to become involved in the Cypherpunks community with its emphasis on privacy and freedom from government intrusion, but a major reason for me to become interested in cryptography in the first place was a desire to help increase security against future entities similar to the Blight described in Vinge's novel.)"
20:12 < fenn> "I've since changed my mind, for two reasons. 1. The economics of security seems very unfavorable to the defense, in every field *except* cryptography. ... 2. Solving the problem of security at a sufficient level of generality requires understanding goals, and is essentially equivalent to solving Friendliness."
21:04 < nsh> perhaps PalmerLuckey should listen to their namesake Tim Palmer on the subject to get a sense of what 'climate' means: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-IHJbzRVVU
21:04 < nsh> .t
21:04 < saxo> Tim Palmer Public Lecture: Climate Change, Chaos, and Inexact Computing - YouTube
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22:10 < fenn> "I've been on my current dose long enough to self-identify with the range of behaviours it produces."
22:27 < fenn> solution to the bay area housing crisis: https://www.jefftk.com/fill-it-all-in-2x.png
22:50 < hprmbridge> nmz787> This pic is of Florida?
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23:14 < fenn> that's the bay. the part to be filled in is just evaporative ponds owned by the cargill salt company
23:14 < fenn> the san francisco bay
23:15 < fenn> califonia, earth, early 21st century AD
23:16 < fenn> there have been many hysterics wrought, and gnashing of teeth over how to make more houses, and seemingly nobody has thought to just build more land, where taller buildings and higher up front investment in infrastructure is feasible
23:19 < fenn> these useless mud flats are literally across the road from facebook and google, and a short drive from apple and lots of VC money
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