--- Log opened Fri Mar 22 00:00:34 2024 00:06 -!- mxz [~mxz@user/mxz] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:57 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Plants need electrolytes 00:57 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Where are all the yuppies gonna get their Brawndo? 00:59 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Sending all the excess bay area population to Florida also seems fine 00:59 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Looks similar enough as a map if you squint 01:04 < fenn> all maps look similar 01:04 < fenn> most numbers start with 1 01:06 < fenn> .wik zipf's law 01:06 < saxo> "The best known instance of Zipf's law applies to the frequency table of words in a text or corpus of natural language: / / / / / word frequency / / ∝ / / / 1 / word rank / [...]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipf%27s_law 01:06 < fenn> now why would it say that 01:06 < fenn> "when a list of measured values is sorted in decreasing order, the value of the nth entry is inversely proportional to n." 02:30 < hprmbridge> Eli> San Francisco government is so bad, SV elites are literally building their own city called California Forever 02:32 -!- adlai [~adlai@user/adlai] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:33 < adlai> has there been any legal precedent where timestamps into a blockchain played a role? 02:33 < adlai> unfortunately the most likely field I can imagine would be a copyright dispute 02:34 < adlai> although I'm neither lawyer nor keen follower of court cases, thus my question 02:41 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:36 < hprmbridge> kanzure> "These days the bobble sounds an awful lot like a very low temperature heat bath. This is what quantum computers attempt to achieve. A logical qbit is a system with an effective temperature orders of magnitude lower than the actual heat bath of physical qbits from which it's made." 03:50 -!- alexbfi [~alexbfi@dzyhs8yyyyyyyyyyyyt8t-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:51 < hprmbridge> Eli> Not sure if yall saw the video of the first neuralink patient talking about his experience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BrLNgKLWzs 03:52 < hprmbridge> kanzure> moving a mouse cursor is a bad demo... he could do that with a gyro sensor attached to his head. 03:52 < hprmbridge> kanzure> and previous implants were able to achieve that, too. 03:55 < hprmbridge> Eli> yeah, I've seen some of the previous implants. Is the most for neuralink the robot that basically does all the wiring quickly on its own? 04:10 < fenn> did you mean some other video where he was actually talking? all i heard was some AI voiced meme bullshit 04:12 < fenn> here's the one minute edit: https://youtu.be/It-Y0_TFJAo 04:25 < hprmbridge> Eli> Never again talk badly about fireship you sacriligious peasant. Also, that might be his real voice. I like the video because it shows the actual machine and I don't have to make eye contact with people so its good for programmers. 04:36 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@user/gwillen] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:37 -!- gwillen [gwillen@user/gwillen] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:09 < kanzure> hmph 05:21 -!- alexbfi [~alexbfi@dzyhs8yyyyyyyyyyyyt8t-3.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:35 < kanzure> man, IRC is still great: 05:35 < kanzure> 16:16 -!- Irssi: Starting query in libera with fougus 05:35 < kanzure> 16:16 Hi 05:35 < kanzure> 16:32 hello 05:35 < kanzure> 16:33 can you help me? 05:35 < kanzure> 16:33 what's up? 05:35 < kanzure> 16:33 Do you know how to travel through time? 05:35 < kanzure> 16:33 time machine 05:35 < kanzure> 16:33 forward time travel? yes. 05:35 < kanzure> 16:34 Backwards you know? 05:35 < kanzure> 16:34 No. 05:35 < kanzure> 16:34 ok, thanks 05:35 < kanzure> (he then promptly /quit) 06:49 < gwillen> incredible. was he in this channel? or Bitcoin ones? I also got a message from him, but I never respond to random idiots DMing me 06:49 < kanzure> dunno 07:04 < kanzure> more than 15 years ago someone on IRC had a death and wanted my help to cryo-preserve his mother's body which he had put in an ice bath in a tub? 07:18 -!- Lando-HoloNet [~Lando-Spa@user/lando-spacepimp] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:25 < gwillen> ... wow 07:27 < hprmbridge> alonzoc> The beauty of IRC 07:32 < adlai> you might hate such questions, but have you seen the Adam Sandler movie Click ? 07:33 * adlai is surprised that he's not been reminded of it before; kanzure has repeated the "forwards time travel" joke plenty of times, yet only now I am reminded of that movie 07:33 < kanzure> no joke tho 07:34 < adlai> tl;dw - Adam Sandler's character obtains (I forget how) a remote control that allows forward time skipping; to be precise it is more similar to controllable bursts of the timequake in Kurt Vonnegut's novel 07:35 < adlai> although without reliving the timequake, i.e. zombifying the tedious business of being conscious, deliberating over the terrible exertion of free will, etc 07:35 < adlai> Timequake is a hilarious short story and essay collection that got published as a novel because Vonnegut's publisher probably wanted novel money rather than random essay collection money 07:37 < adlai> to me the word 'travel' implies that you have some control over things, rather than merely getting swept along by inertia at one second per second 07:38 < adlai> .ud high-temperature superconductor 07:38 < saxo> Sorry, no definitions found 07:38 < adlai> .ud stp 07:38 < saxo> [soapy titty pics] 07:39 < kanzure> can't find the anecdote, but there was this one study about human randomness and how their keypresses aren't that random, except one individual who had very random keystrokes. when asked about this, he simply replied "I just used up some of my free will each time". 07:43 -!- Lando-SpaceIzzle [~Lando-Spa@user/lando-spacepimp] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:02 < kanzure> oh it was from scott aaronson 08:03 < kanzure> "In a class I taught at Berkeley, I did an experiment where I wrote a simple little program that would let people type either “f” or “d” and would predict which key they were going to push next. It’s actually very easy to write a program that will make the right prediction about 70% of the time. Most people don’t really know how to type randomly. They’ll have too many ... 08:03 < kanzure> ...alternations and so on. There will be all sorts of patterns, so you just have to build some sort of probabilistic model. Even a very crude one will do well. I couldn’t even beat my own program, knowing exactly how it worked. I challenged people to try this and the program was getting between 70% and 80% prediction rates. Then, we found one student that the program predicted exactly 50% of ... 08:03 < kanzure> ...the time. We asked him what his secret was and he responded that he “just used his free will.” 08:04 < kanzure> https://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~nick/aaronson-oracle/ 08:38 < fenn> not quite the same 08:38 < fenn> i find the concept of being born with a fixed amount of entropy / free will amusing 08:39 < hprmbridge> kanzure> you just used up 10 amusement neurons right there 08:39 < fenn> we're all slowly dying 08:40 < fenn> i just spent an hour calculating and tediously referencing the energy costs of generating an LLM token, for no discernable purpose 08:40 < fenn> spoiler alert: it's not very much 08:50 < hprmbridge> Eli> Here's tqhe estimated amount of time I have left based on statistical probabilities. It opens everytime I open a new browser window. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1064664282450628710/1220761576756346880/Screenshot_2024-03-22_at_10.49.27_AM.png?ex=66101dd0&is=65fda8d0&hm=f650f81c662725bbcc73a9934ca8a5788d45443e8217aca5f19e51a98db1a857& 08:54 < fenn> whatever works for you. some people think the world will end next year, other people think we'll all be enraptured in perfect physical form for eternity 08:55 < fenn> i thought you were younger, fwiw 09:02 < hprmbridge> Eli> Thanks. 🙂 My mind feels young and old at the same time. I feel like I should still be able to play sports with the 20 year olds, and at the same time my mind is also extremely skeptical of any manufactured cultural narratives/tribalism. My tenants asked me if I was depressed yesterday. I told them, "no, I think I'm just old now". 09:05 < hprmbridge> Eli> I spoke with Peter Voss a few weeks ago. He said he's personally cryonically preserved 7 peoples bodies for Alcor. I asked him how to repair the body when coming back to life. He just stated AI would advance enough by then to solve these problems. I asked if this was faith based science. He asked me if I want to be in the control group. 09:09 < hprmbridge> kanzure> Pete will be at the April event 09:15 < adlai> I don't get whether he implies that the control group is getting frozen or dying regularly 09:15 < fenn> eaten by worms, burned, etc. 09:16 < adlai> either way it is definitely dying; you could simply pay for dying plus hope. 09:16 < fenn> i'd rather be reversibly crosslinked, but nobody offers that service. guess i'll take what i can get 09:17 < hprmbridge> Eli> basically, hes saying that even if waking up has a probability of .00001%, that's better than a probability of exactly 0%. It's a pretty good response. 09:18 < adlai> it's a little reminiscent of Pascal's Wager, except with a higher cost 09:30 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:19 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44 -!- L29Ah [~L29Ah@wikipedia/L29Ah] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:59 < hprmbridge> fodagut> control group is cremation. it's a pretty standard argument from Alcor 12:09 -!- Lando-SpaceIzzle [~Lando-Spa@user/lando-spacepimp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:10 -!- Lando-SpaceIzzle [~Lando-Spa@user/lando-spacepimp] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- judka [~box@81.196.3.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:05 -!- Lando-SpaceIzzle [~Lando-Spa@user/lando-spacepimp] has quit [Quit: Invest in physical media; buy LaserDisc!] 14:05 -!- Lando-HoloNet [~Lando-Spa@user/lando-spacepimp] has quit [Quit: Invest in physical media; buy LaserDisc!] 15:54 -!- o-90 [~o-90@gateway/tor-sasl/o-90] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:55 -!- o-90 [~o-90@gateway/tor-sasl/o-90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44 -!- judka [~box@213.233.85.119] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:06 -!- judka [~box@213.233.85.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:30 -!- justanot1 [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:44 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:58 -!- mxz [~mxz@user/mxz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:27 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:36 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:00 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@gateway/tor-sasl/justanotheruser] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sat Mar 23 00:00:34 2024