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02:29 < TMA> Eli: do you update the chart to reflect that you survived yet another day?
02:40 < fenn> he updates the chart by opening a new tab
02:40 < fenn> tab is life, drink tab, grok tab
02:44 < TMA> I mean if you survive long enough, your life expectancy rises. at birth you have a non-negligible chance to die before reaching 18. so the life expectancy at birth is lower than at 18th birthday
02:44 < TMA> Even at 100 you still have some chance to live another week.
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02:54 < fenn> i see what you mean. death probability drops until about 9 years old then increases https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
02:55 < fenn> this is not the bathtub curve we're looking for
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02:58 < TMA> even then surviving to say 50 makes your individual life expectancy rise, because you missed the oportunity to die at say 35 so 'death at 35' no longer drags the life expectancy down
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04:31 < hprmbridge> Eli> It’s automated. You can get a death clock extension from the chrome apps store. Working backwards, you can get a grasp of how much theoretical time you have to do what you want.
05:50 < adlai> obsession with death is a bit reminiscent of self-fulfilling prophecies; seeing you have less time left by some impressively-computed forecast could harm your mental outlook and cause you to abandon plans that otherwise give you purpose.
05:53  * adlai spent a while geeking out about suicide and its prevention; apparently one common case, which was made famous because it coincided with the popularity of the antidepressant Prozac, is where someone's ability to function improves without any change in the fundamental existential defeatism, ...
05:53 < adlai> ... and then the outcome is that the newly-functioning member of society simply gets busy dying.
05:55 < adlai> so I think it is important to consider how such forecasts affect you; they should improve planning ability, without harming your mood. obviously some folks are simply immune to existentialism, happy by default, and these comments aren't directly for them; although they're not the only kind of mind!
05:58 < adlai> right when I began learning theoretical computer science ideas, beyond merely programming, I remember having some daydream about computing the "adlai algorithm"; then I could implement my algorithm directly in code, leave it running on my computer, and go enjoy the outside world, returning later to see what I'd accomplished. that would survive cremation, although is probably functionally
05:58 < adlai> indistinguishable from a chatbot.
06:03 < adlai> .ud gpt
06:03 < saxo> Get Paid To.
06:19 < hprmbridge> kanzure> that's a lot of work to avoid having children
06:22 < adlai> lol, I've been quite fortunate that avoiding unwanted parenthood never involved any complicated moral qualms
06:23 < adlai> one friend only found out about his daughter when she was, iirc, seven years old; he'd been used as a revenge fling for taunting, and not told that pregnancy resulted.
06:26 < adlai> I think children quite frequently strike out in different directions through purpose-space than their parents did; although this might be more characteristic of 'developed' societies.
06:42 < docl> .yt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_5N_aDu3u0
06:51 < docl> re suicidality etc. basically, he says there is a major phenomenon where many people (especially men) are unaliving themselves because their lives objectively suck. like, some kind of mental health issue exists but it's caused by having a terrible life
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09:13 < L29Ah> .t https://finbold.com/anonymous-crypto-wallets-now-illegal-in-the-eu/
09:14 < saxo> Anonymous crypto wallets now illegal in the EU
09:14  * L29Ah wonders if it's time to start studying spanish
09:16 < superkuh> ...
09:16 < superkuh> Formalized legally required techno-feudalism.
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10:05 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Docl isn't all suicide the result of self-affirmed terrible life?
10:33 < docl> yes, but the cause seems to be a spectrum of different sources. some people have an objectively great life -- spouse and kids who love them, annual ski trips, etc. their suicidal ideation comes from an unrealistic view of how much their life sucks, so predominantly mental or neurological in nature. however, if you have a small town where the economy takes a downturn and young men can't get jobs and 
10:33 < docl> fulfill economic and social needs (having a girlfriend, social group you can belong to, etc), the suicide rate predictably goes up
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12:04 < hprmbridge> nmz787> you could say the attachment to geography, outweighing lack of economic opportunity, is also a mental issue
12:05 < hprmbridge> nmz787> on the one hand people complain about migrants, but simultaneously how the economy is crap... ignoring macroeconomics that their locale's economy is crap... but they could join the migrants and move somewhere it is not
12:05 < hprmbridge> nmz787> but I digress
12:06 < hprmbridge> Eli> Everyone subconsciously calculates life optimization problems. That includes leisure. All I did was quantify it.
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13:24 < gwillen> that finbold article is full of shit, their whole site seems questionable 
13:24 < gwillen> the new regulations are onerous but the claims in the article are blatantly false
13:25 < gwillen> I think not on purpose but due to laziness, the article they relied on as their source is (probably deliberately) ambiguous, and they didn't go read the original text
13:27 < gwillen> I guess there's a reading of it that's arguably accurate but it's not the obvious one
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15:40 < TMA> the rule is "the most vexing reading is the correct one"
15:41 < TMA> or "if you think the law/regulation is not that bad, you are reading it wrong"
15:55 < gwillen> the obvious reading of the article is that self custody of cryptocurrency is now illegal in the EU, and it is one possible reading of the other article they linked, but it is not a possible reading of the law itself 
16:04 < hprmbridge> zentarxshadow> Now I'm sure - it's very good that I don't live in the European Union
16:33 < hprmbridge> .maybeman> Hiii
16:49 < fenn> "Some Chinese factories have outfitted workers with devices that measure brain-wave activity to monitor their emotional fluctuations and alertness."
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20:09 < hprmbridge> robertmcdougal_73197> I wrote this post head shrinkage: https://robertmcdougal.substack.com/p/shrinking-the-skull-with-cell-therapy
20:10 < hprmbridge> robertmcdougal_73197> Does anyone know anyone who can help me shrink my head?
21:12 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Dafuq
21:16 < hprmbridge> nmz787> Sounds like I'd get reverse encephalitis (skull squeezing brain).
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23:39 < fenn> @robertmcdougal i'm surprised you didn't mention growth hormone even once
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