Conversation with #hplusroadmap at Fri 11 Apr 2008 04:44:01 PM CDT on kanzure@irc.freenode.net (irc)
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(2008-04-11 16:44:53) kanzure: Hm.
(2008-04-11 16:54:27) drazak: mmmmmmm b5
(2008-04-11 16:59:53) kanzure: Why didn't the newspaper guys at the school talk to me before publishing this today?
(2008-04-11 16:59:53) kanzure: http://heybryan.org/school/2008-04-11_school_newspaper_nanotech.html
(2008-04-11 16:59:54) kanzure: Assholes.
(2008-04-11 17:40:29) fenn: because that would conflict with their journalistic integrity of giving only conflicting viewpoints
(2008-04-11 17:43:22) fenn: did you go to the cyclify austin thing?
(2008-04-11 18:06:55) kanzure: no, my dad wasn't feeling well and he still wants to me to drive with him places, don't know why
(2008-04-11 18:07:13) kanzure: they didn't represent or clearly delineate conflicting viewpoints
(2008-04-11 18:07:19) kanzure: in fact, I don't think they had a solid idea in that article
(2008-04-11 18:10:00) fenn: does your school have a website yet? newspaper seems a little old-fashioned
(2008-04-11 18:10:15) fenn: but, so does prussian-style schooling
(2008-04-11 18:11:42) kanzure: http://hayscisd.net/
(2008-04-11 18:11:49) kanzure: http://rebelslibrary.com/
(2008-04-11 18:14:04) fenn: 10 reasons the internet is no subsitute for a library:
(2008-04-11 18:14:08) fenn: 1) internet isnt allowed in school
(2008-04-11 18:14:14) fenn: 2) if it were, you wouldnt be allowed to use it
(2008-04-11 18:14:38) fenn: 3) if you managed to finagle access anyway, you wouldnt be allowed to do anything fun or useful
(2008-04-11 18:14:48) fenn: 4) because i said so
(2008-04-11 18:14:57) fenn: 5) are you still here?
(2008-04-11 18:15:08) kanzure: yes, that was retarded
(2008-04-11 18:15:27) kanzure: the library has 35 computers that we use during the lunch hours
(2008-04-11 18:15:30) fenn: The following are prohibited: ... Downloads of any kind.
(2008-04-11 18:15:33) kanzure: yeah
(2008-04-11 18:15:37) kanzure: I want to stab them for that
(2008-04-11 18:15:40) fenn: clearly, you have violated library policy
(2008-04-11 18:15:47) fenn: downloader!
(2008-04-11 18:15:56) kanzure: I wouldn't think it was possible, but it gets worse
(2008-04-11 18:15:59) fenn: do they actually sell floppy disks?
(2008-04-11 18:16:26) fenn: do computers still come with floppy drives?
(2008-04-11 18:16:44) kanzure: those do
(2008-04-11 18:16:52) kanzure: it's technically cheaper to claim that you lost a flash drive to them
(2008-04-11 18:17:02) kanzure: because they always have a few that people are dropping
(2008-04-11 18:17:23) fenn: and then you get the indecent thrill of looking through someone else's homework
(2008-04-11 18:17:35) kanzure: sure
(2008-04-11 18:17:40) kanzure: it's kind of sad though
(2008-04-11 18:17:57) kanzure: a few months ago I was doing some work in the library and the librarians came up to Andrew (brother) a few computers over,
(2008-04-11 18:18:08) kanzure: and they were trying to convince him that what he wanted to find on the internet could be found in books
(2008-04-11 18:18:21) kanzure: I believe he was looking up the embryological evolutionary development of anthropods
(2008-04-11 18:18:26) fenn: did they know about the google project?
(2008-04-11 18:18:44) kanzure: from experience of browsing the indices of the library (just for the hell of it) - I know they do not have this information.
(2008-04-11 18:18:46) kanzure: nope,
(2008-04-11 18:18:56) kanzure: they were completely sure that Andrew was just a stupid kid who didn't want to open his eyes to the books
(2008-04-11 18:19:09) kanzure: but it's just the opposite: they are stupid librarians not opening their eyes to the information accessibility
(2008-04-11 18:19:49) fenn: well, sometimes i get annoyed by people who use myspace instead of email
(2008-04-11 18:20:15) fenn: i'm actually not sure which is technically inferior
(2008-04-11 18:20:18) kanzure: sure, there's lots of students that try to sneak in and check their myspace.com accounts
(2008-04-11 18:20:33) kanzure: the AP literature blog - http://hhsaplit.wordpress.com/
(2008-04-11 18:21:00) fenn: are you allowed to have a cellphone in your posession?
(2008-04-11 18:21:29) fenn: it would be an interesting political experiment to provide covert wifi coverage to your school
(2008-04-11 18:21:54) kanzure: well,
(2008-04-11 18:22:00) kanzure: here's how this goes down
(2008-04-11 18:22:13) kanzure: they crack down on mp3 players, ipods, cell phones, anything that is handheld and electronic basically
(2008-04-11 18:22:27) kanzure: however students can sneak in some text messages and so on
(2008-04-11 18:23:16) kanzure: the wifi internet is only for (1) the blind (1 student in the entire school) and (2) the mobile 'laptop cart' (30 Dell notebooks); not even the teachers can wire up their laptops to the internet
(2008-04-11 18:23:38) kanzure: (so I carry around ethernet with me so that in the rare occurence that I am relocated to a room with a free, activated ethernet port, I can get some serious work done)
(2008-04-11 18:24:18) kanzure: I've managed to sneak into the networking room twice, both times by playing the "oops, I dropped something underneath the door" trick on the janitors
(2008-04-11 18:24:34) kanzure: hoping to plug in the wall outlets from the classes I visit, but not having enough time before arousing suspicion
(2008-04-11 18:24:49) kanzure: (the wall outlets are numbered in each of the rooms, I know that I'd really like B-099 to be activated)
(2008-04-11 18:24:53) fenn: so, you could sneak in a wifi router theoretically
(2008-04-11 18:24:56) kanzure: right
(2008-04-11 18:25:01) kanzure: but I'd need a teacher's cooperation
(2008-04-11 18:25:27) kanzure: I could just plug it in to a teacher's ethernet port
(2008-04-11 18:25:50) kanzure: I don't think they would be able to figure out where to look
(2008-04-11 18:26:14) fenn: yeah you'd need some clever maneuvering with a laptop and signal strength meter
(2008-04-11 18:26:19) kanzure: right
(2008-04-11 18:26:26) kanzure: but luckily many of my classes are localized during the day
(2008-04-11 18:26:34) kanzure: they have me going in circles
(2008-04-11 18:27:15) kanzure: personally, I find this to be inexcusable behavior on the part of the administrators
(2008-04-11 18:27:26) kanzure: there's no way they can think that they have hired the best of the best in teachers
(2008-04-11 18:27:36) kanzure: and of course that's not their goal
(2008-04-11 18:27:41) kanzure: but for some of us we want to get work done
(2008-04-11 18:28:38) kanzure: speaking of which ... the valedictorian is somewhat of a polygamist druggie, so a few of us are opting to write his speech for him. I'll throw it up on a wiki soon and get down to business. I want to throw in some clever punches to the school system. "I am glad that I have had the pleasure of being so wonderfully confined for the past 12 years of my life, this has really worked out well" etc.
(2008-04-11 18:29:08) fenn: heh polygamy is the default in high school isnt it?
(2008-04-11 18:29:30) kanzure: dunno, I never was able to get signed up for that
(2008-04-11 18:29:40) fenn: meh
(2008-04-11 18:29:54) fenn: people change when they get out of prison
(2008-04-11 18:31:57) kanzure: Texas has great homeschooling laws, the only reason I am still in high school is because (1) my dad has given me financial incentive (college money) to stay in hgih school, and (2) I've been too much of a pussy to run away.
(2008-04-11 18:32:54) kanzure: what we've all known about voting (party identification trends, people not knowing what the party member really represents) - http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=518564;cid=23031202
(2008-04-11 18:32:59) fenn: well, free rent and college money sounds like an ok deal i guess
(2008-04-11 18:33:06) kanzure: maybe
(2008-04-11 18:33:13) kanzure: in exchange for immense psychological suffering?
(2008-04-11 18:33:27) kanzure: I'm at the top of my game during the school day, only to come home to try to kick myself up the hill, it sucks
(2008-04-11 18:33:47) fenn: why are you going to UT?
(2008-04-11 18:33:59) kanzure: only two schools accepted me: wisc.edu and utexas.edu
(2008-04-11 18:34:16) kanzure: utexas because it's cheap and I was supposedly going to get a lab spot over the summer with Andy's lab
(2008-04-11 18:34:20) fenn: i mean, why are you doing undergrad
(2008-04-11 18:34:32) kanzure: skip undergrad completely?
(2008-04-11 18:34:33) fenn: its more of the same, BTDT
(2008-04-11 18:34:37) kanzure: BDT?
(2008-04-11 18:34:40) kanzure: *BTDT?
(2008-04-11 18:34:42) fenn: been there done that
(2008-04-11 18:34:52) kanzure: what are my options?
(2008-04-11 18:34:59) fenn: uh, well, i dunno really
(2008-04-11 18:35:03) kanzure: I need some hard lab experience
(2008-04-11 18:35:10) fenn: why?
(2008-04-11 18:35:17) kanzure: for people to take me slightly more seriously, I think
(2008-04-11 18:35:18) kanzure: and from what I can tell, you sort of have to be attending the university in order to count
(2008-04-11 18:35:22) kanzure: * in order to get in
(2008-04-11 18:35:24) kanzure: to a lab
(2008-04-11 18:35:41) kanzure: I hope I am wrong.
(2008-04-11 18:35:55) fenn: hm. well, ask ellington and see if its possible to skip undergrad in all or in part
(2008-04-11 18:36:02) kanzure: doesn't that sound kinda foolish
(2008-04-11 18:36:14) fenn: how much is 3 years worth to you?
(2008-04-11 18:36:24) kanzure: every second
(2008-04-11 18:37:23) fenn: did you do AP yet?
(2008-04-11 18:37:54) fenn: there are lots of departmental tests you can take to get credit or have requirements waived
(2008-04-11 18:38:01) kanzure: yeah, of course
(2008-04-11 18:38:04) fenn: many of them are not advertised
(2008-04-11 18:38:06) kanzure: I've been doing AP for yars
(2008-04-11 18:38:08) kanzure: *years
(2008-04-11 18:38:16) fenn: you have to go pester some departmental chair
(2008-04-11 18:38:20) kanzure: you can see my reviews on my sites, I collected 10k links per class and then did a recurse through a good number of them
(2008-04-11 18:38:28) kanzure: yeah, I'll definitely look into that
(2008-04-11 18:38:37) kanzure: I was planning on going to their summer orientation session
(2008-04-11 18:38:53) kanzure: where I'd finalize some course work schedules or whatever, ask if I can "design my own course" (UT doesn't allow this, but I'll ask anyway)
(2008-04-11 18:38:53) fenn: honestly, you know more than most college grads, but dont let it go to your head
(2008-04-11 18:39:10) kanzure: and then I was planning on doing a recursion through the syllabus guides
(2008-04-11 18:39:56) kanzure: I just need to impress the right people, I think
(2008-04-11 18:40:14) fenn: the right people could care less
(2008-04-11 18:40:23) fenn: the people you can impress are not going to be able to do anything
(2008-04-11 18:40:49) fenn: so you will have to work with the people you can impress to convince the crusty old administrators to do stuff
(2008-04-11 18:41:03) fenn: that takes effort on everyone's part so they will not want to do it
(2008-04-11 18:41:38) fenn: so you have to convince them that it's worth helping you
(2008-04-11 18:41:45) fenn: (a slightly harder problem)
(2008-04-11 18:42:06) fenn: gah taxes are so stupid
(2008-04-11 18:44:03) kanzure: hm
(2008-04-11 18:44:04) kanzure: I see.
(2008-04-11 18:45:44) kanzure: "I'm still amused by those who insist content more valuable than the means of accessing it."
(2008-04-11 18:46:34) fenn: um, what? those are like, orthogonal
(2008-04-11 18:46:54) kanzure: as in ->
(2008-04-11 18:46:56) kanzure: argh
(2008-04-11 18:46:58) kanzure: copy/paste error
(2008-04-11 18:47:02) fenn: accessible content is worth more in value, less in money
(2008-04-11 18:47:13) kanzure: as in, access method to some extent determines the content that will be accessed
(2008-04-11 18:47:23) fenn: s/value/utility/
(2008-04-11 18:53:48) kanzure: anyway, I have some time open this summer if I don't get that lab spot
(2008-04-11 18:53:59) kanzure: so this will be an optimal time to get some things lined up and in order
(2008-04-11 19:00:16) kanzure: fenn: http://www.kurtz-fernhout.com/pointrel/ relationship specification system?
(2008-04-11 19:07:27) fenn: i dont really get it - why three? why not use class inheritance to describe relationships?
(2008-04-11 19:08:04) fenn: "thats nice but whats it good for"
(2008-04-11 19:08:42) kanzure: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=6010
(2008-04-11 19:08:51) kanzure: don't know
(2008-04-11 19:09:19) fenn: cycorp had something like 'first 50 million triplets free' on their website, which it nagging at me
(2008-04-11 19:10:06) fenn: oh look, text i cant read, great
(2008-04-11 19:10:26) fenn: hey i can read "BFI Challenge"
(2008-04-11 19:10:35) fenn: that's funny
(2008-04-11 19:11:45) fenn: those fuckers never even wrote me back
(2008-04-11 19:20:01) fenn: design science revolution is cool though
(2008-04-11 19:29:17) kanzure: heh
(2008-04-11 19:29:27) kanzure: I was reading the BFI challenge site recently too
(2008-04-11 19:29:37) kanzure: but it looks like they want something more concrete than what I can provide at the moment
(2008-04-11 19:39:36) kanzure: fenn: what's your current situation? out of college?
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