Conversation with #hplusroadmap at Thu 27 Mar 2008 08:29:52 PM CDT on kanzure@irc.freenode.net (irc)

(2008-03-27 20:29:52) The topic for #hplusroadmap is: happy bunny day - day of the replicator!
(2008-03-27 20:29:54) kanzure: back
(2008-03-27 20:30:00) kanzure: "the difference is that materials tend to go away over time"
(2008-03-27 20:30:02) kanzure: yes, I agree
(2008-03-27 20:30:04) kanzure: the more you add functionality
(2008-03-27 20:30:11) kanzure: the less you need to consider the materials 'different'
(2008-03-27 20:30:18) kanzure: as long as they all loop back to each other, yes?
(2008-03-27 20:30:19) fenn_: p^2 probability we're both connected :)
(2008-03-27 20:30:55) kanzure: we should use something that checks if we receive messages
(2008-03-27 20:31:03) fenn_: sure, a material is a specification, unless it's natural
(2008-03-27 20:31:09) kanzure: right
(2008-03-27 20:31:18) fenn_: even then, there's different types of maple - flame, birdseye, etc
(2008-03-27 20:31:35) kanzure: I was thinking we might have to go through the materials-sci journals and make our own database
(2008-03-27 20:31:42) kanzure: I figure something fairly formal/scholarly could attract some data monkeys or something
(2008-03-27 20:31:48) kanzure: or if we have to we can get some funding to go get kids to insert data
(2008-03-27 20:32:10) kanzure: hehe
(2008-03-27 20:32:11) fenn_: i was thinking more of a wiki approach, with 'ye' or 'nay' votes
(2008-03-27 20:32:16) kanzure: vote for what ?
(2008-03-27 20:32:24) fenn_: whether the data's any good
(2008-03-27 20:32:29) kanzure: hm
(2008-03-27 20:32:33) kanzure: well, it can always be sourced I guess
(2008-03-27 20:32:54) fenn_: often it's easier to measure something than look it up
(2008-03-27 20:33:01) kanzure: really? that's depressing
(2008-03-27 20:33:03) kanzure: screw it then
(2008-03-27 20:33:05) kanzure: let's design the measuring machinery
(2008-03-27 20:33:14) kanzure: http://heybryan.org/instrumentation/instru.html
(2008-03-27 20:33:15) fenn_: ok
(2008-03-27 20:33:15) kanzure: oh wait
(2008-03-27 20:33:18) kanzure: that's right
(2008-03-27 20:33:20) kanzure: the site is down
(2008-03-27 20:33:28) kanzure: that page has a list of a few hundred different analytical machinery
(2008-03-27 20:33:34) kanzure: most of which I do not yet have schematics
(2008-03-27 20:33:36) kanzure: but for a good percentage
(2008-03-27 20:33:43) kanzure: I'm planning on extending my coverage
(2008-03-27 20:33:48) kanzure: now that I have paper access
(2008-03-27 20:34:43) kanzure: fenn_: ping?
(2008-03-27 20:34:53) fenn_: pong
(2008-03-27 20:35:20) kanzure: I was thinking we'd make the file format extendable or scriptable or something
(2008-03-27 20:35:25) kanzure: so that we can import different libraries for different packages
(2008-03-27 20:35:31) kanzure: in fact, this should all be computational modeling
(2008-03-27 20:35:39) kanzure: since different materials and packages behave differently
(2008-03-27 20:35:44) fenn_: there's a lot of stick-slip in normal threads, makes for uncertainty in measurement.. i dont know how to apply large amount of forces cheaply and repeatably
(2008-03-27 20:35:46) kanzure: no matter what their numbers say
(2008-03-27 20:36:10) kanzure: an automated interferometer for example, surely this is possible
(2008-03-27 20:36:15) fenn_: i guess you could use a roller screw
(2008-03-27 20:36:18) kanzure: for what?
(2008-03-27 20:36:34) fenn_: for tensile strength test, young's modulus measurement
(2008-03-27 20:36:37) kanzure: ah
(2008-03-27 20:36:51) kanzure: hm, I wonder how materials will be assembled
(2008-03-27 20:36:57) kanzure: this is going to be a nasty-big project
(2008-03-27 20:37:05) kanzure: because you can't just load up materials and say "do these tests"
(2008-03-27 20:37:08) fenn_: yeah
(2008-03-27 20:37:08) fenn_: that's why the wiki angle
(2008-03-27 20:37:17) kanzure: if we do wiki
(2008-03-27 20:37:24) kanzure: then let's have some sort of 'standards' for automated lab setup
(2008-03-27 20:37:36) kanzure: so that, ideally, we go visit their setup and say "this is awesome, keep going"
(2008-03-27 20:37:42) kanzure: or "wtf, you're just making up numbers"
(2008-03-27 20:38:02) kanzure: although that will probably distract from data entry
(2008-03-27 20:38:03) kanzure: :(