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| fenn | lol @ biofuels in space | 20:41 |
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| fenn | just use hydrogen | 20:42 |
| fenn | or better yet, a mass driver or ion rocket | 20:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: | 20:46 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://heybryan.org/graphene.html | 20:46 |
| kanzure | sheet of graphene + e-beam lithography = win | 20:47 |
| kanzure | = microprocessors | 20:47 |
| fenn | i like it | 20:50 |
| fenn | how do you make semiconductors out of graphene? | 20:50 |
| fenn | in an electron microscope, the e-beam starts out at a hot tungsten disc - that's the 'image' | 20:51 |
| kanzure | oh | 20:52 |
| kanzure | sorry | 20:52 |
| fenn | you would have to make a mask that blocks electrons while they are still relatively diffuse | 20:52 |
| kanzure | another method would be to use STM | 20:52 |
| kanzure | apply voltage from tungsten tip of STM | 20:52 |
| kanzure | I will be going soon, so I must be quick | 20:52 |
| kanzure | and my website | 20:52 |
| kanzure | save a copy | 20:52 |
| fenn | your web's going down? | 20:52 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:52 |
| kanzure | dad is pulling the plug | 20:52 |
| fenn | can you send me a copy of the wiki db? | 20:53 |
| kanzure | uh, I'll be back tomorrow | 20:53 |
| fenn | oh ok | 20:53 |
| kanzure | but let me see if I can get it within the next 2 minutes ;) | 20:53 |
| kanzure | hm, I don't have the export db mod installed | 20:54 |
| kanzure | anyway, here's my idea | 20:54 |
| kanzure | use the $100 STM projects | 20:54 |
| kanzure | and apply a voltage to a sheet of graphene | 20:54 |
| kanzure | with some sort of photoresist or etchant over it | 20:54 |
| kanzure | this will be slow, but there's a Harvard group that has done something like this | 20:54 |
| kanzure | not with graphene, but with STMs/AFMs in general | 20:54 |
| kanzure | anyway, it's slow scanning obviously but that might be okay | 20:54 |
| kanzure | the trick is the synthesis for graphene as far as I can tell | 20:55 |
| kanzure | I include some links on my graphene.html file for this | 20:55 |
| kanzure | links to Sigma-Aldrich to purchase the chemicals, I mean | 20:55 |
| kanzure | good luck getting it up to 1000 deg Celsius, | 20:55 |
| fenn | http://pastebin.ca/956457 <- this is a rough draft at the autogenix format | 20:55 |
| kanzure | that might require a chamber of some sort | 20:55 |
| kanzure | hm | 20:55 |
| kanzure | isn't there neighborhood wireless from neighbors and so on | 20:55 |
| kanzure | ? | 20:55 |
| fenn | was that to me? | 20:56 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:56 |
| fenn | my phone line is staticky and it's killing the DSL modem - i'm out of range of neighbors | 20:56 |
| fenn | i can go to the library or whatever, but the phone guy is coming tomorrow | 20:56 |
| kanzure | who the fuck pulls the internet plug to their own child | 20:58 |
| kanzure | I don't think he understands the idea of a web server | 20:58 |
| fenn | i dont understand, he's taking down your server because you spend too much time on the net? | 20:58 |
| kanzure | no | 20:58 |
| kanzure | he's taking down my server because I get in to bickerings with my brother | 20:59 |
| kanzure | it's one of those situations where he thinks I am mentally retarded | 20:59 |
| fenn | obviously.. | 21:00 |
| kanzure | and the dad can't punish him since he's a favorite and doesn't use the net | 21:00 |
| kanzure | there's no way to punish the kid | 21:00 |
| kanzure | since he doesn't use the net, he doesn't really use a phone all that much | 21:00 |
| kanzure | doesn't have many friends | 21:00 |
| kanzure | so he can get away with putting me in weird situations | 21:00 |
| fenn | break his bb gun! >:) | 21:00 |
| fenn | surely he must do something | 21:01 |
| fenn | anyway i'm not helping | 21:01 |
| fenn | wow. orbital biofuel being burned to melt metal.. i dont even know where to begin | 21:02 |
| fenn | there's more kinetic energy in the fuel than chemical energy | 21:03 |
| fenn | I just read "the diamond age" | 21:06 |
| fenn | it reminds me of "the golden compass" in many ways: http://fennetic.net/misc/diamond_age_vs_golden_compass | 21:08 |
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| kanzure | fenn_: you alive? | 21:24 |
| fenn_ | yes. we'll see how long this lasts | 21:24 |
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| kanzure | heh, same here | 21:24 |
| kanzure | (2008-03-27 20:26:16) kanzure: fenn: argh | 21:24 |
| kanzure | (2008-03-27 20:26:23) kanzure: fenn: Neighborhood wireless ;) | 21:24 |
| kanzure | (2008-03-27 20:26:26) kanzure: Anyway, where were we? | 21:24 |
| kanzure | (2008-03-27 20:26:55) kanzure: I took a look at your spec for the file format | 21:24 |
| kanzure | (2008-03-27 20:27:01) kanzure: and am somewhat confused as to what you were intending for this to be | 21:24 |
| kanzure | (2008-03-27 20:27:09) kanzure: it looked like a dependency specification system for self-replication | 21:24 |
| kanzure | (2008-03-27 20:27:16) kanzure: rather than a package format for general materials and tools for skdb | 21:24 |
| kanzure | for example, at one point you refer to materials | 21:24 |
| kanzure | but wouldn't that be more like a way to specify other ID numbers of other packages? | 21:25 |
| fenn_ | the difference is that materials tend to go away over time | 21:25 |
| fenn_ | consumables | 21:25 |
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| fenn_ | hah | 21:25 |
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| kanzure | back | 21:26 |
| kanzure | "the difference is that materials tend to go away over time" | 21:26 |
| kanzure | yes, I agree | 21:26 |
| kanzure | the more you add functionality | 21:26 |
| kanzure | the less you need to consider the materials 'different' | 21:26 |
| kanzure | as long as they all loop back to each other, yes? | 21:26 |
| fenn_ | p^2 probability we're both connected :) | 21:26 |
| kanzure | we should use something that checks if we receive messages | 21:27 |
| fenn_ | sure, a material is a specification, unless it's natural | 21:27 |
| kanzure | right | 21:27 |
| fenn_ | even then, there's different types of maple - flame, birdseye, etc | 21:27 |
| kanzure | I was thinking we might have to go through the materials-sci journals and make our own database | 21:28 |
| kanzure | I figure something fairly formal/scholarly could attract some data monkeys or something | 21:28 |
| kanzure | or if we have to we can get some funding to go get kids to insert data | 21:28 |
| fenn_ | i was thinking more of a wiki approach, with 'ye' or 'nay' votes | 21:28 |
| kanzure | hehe | 21:28 |
| kanzure | vote for what ? | 21:28 |
| fenn_ | whether the data's any good | 21:28 |
| kanzure | hm | 21:28 |
| kanzure | well, it can always be sourced I guess | 21:28 |
| fenn_ | often it's easier to measure something than look it up | 21:29 |
| kanzure | really? that's depressing | 21:29 |
| kanzure | screw it then | 21:29 |
| kanzure | let's design the measuring machinery | 21:29 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/instrumentation/instru.html | 21:29 |
| fenn_ | ok | 21:29 |
| kanzure | oh wait | 21:29 |
| kanzure | that's right | 21:30 |
| kanzure | the site is down | 21:30 |
| kanzure | that page has a list of a few hundred different analytical machinery | 21:30 |
| kanzure | most of which I do not yet have schematics | 21:30 |
| kanzure | but for a good percentage | 21:30 |
| kanzure | I'm planning on extending my coverage | 21:30 |
| kanzure | now that I have paper access | 21:30 |
| kanzure | fenn_: ping? | 21:31 |
| fenn_ | pong | 21:31 |
| kanzure | I was thinking we'd make the file format extendable or scriptable or something | 21:31 |
| kanzure | so that we can import different libraries for different packages | 21:31 |
| kanzure | in fact, this should all be computational modeling | 21:31 |
| kanzure | since different materials and packages behave differently | 21:32 |
| fenn_ | there's a lot of stick-slip in normal threads, makes for uncertainty in measurement.. i dont know how to apply large amount of forces cheaply and repeatably | 21:32 |
| kanzure | no matter what their numbers say | 21:32 |
| fenn_ | i guess you could use a roller screw | 21:32 |
| kanzure | an automated interferometer for example, surely this is possible | 21:32 |
| kanzure | for what? | 21:32 |
| fenn_ | for tensile strength test, young's modulus measurement | 21:32 |
| kanzure | ah | 21:33 |
| kanzure | hm, I wonder how materials will be assembled | 21:33 |
| kanzure | this is going to be a nasty-big project | 21:33 |
| fenn_ | yeah | 21:33 |
| fenn_ | that's why the wiki angle | 21:33 |
| kanzure | because you can't just load up materials and say "do these tests" | 21:33 |
| kanzure | if we do wiki | 21:33 |
| fenn_ | you mean like, comparing computer models of material properties to actual data to see if they match? | 21:34 |
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| fenn_ | i was thinking of how to get user-specific subjective data, like how much they are willing to work vs spend money, and oregon trail came to mind: "Are you a: doctor, lawyer, carpenter, blacksmith, farmer?" | 21:38 |
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| fenn | actually, a mask wouldn't work in an electron gun, because te charge would either build up on an insulator, or a conductor would affect the field distribution (throwing off the focus) | 21:48 |
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