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| kanzure | welcome | 00:40 |
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| kanzure | at the moment we're all sleeping, so feel free to idle arond | 00:40 |
| kanzure | *around | 00:40 |
| kanzure | and the /topic should have some good links to read through | 00:40 |
| greeezy | Exactly what i was doing right now :) | 00:40 |
| kanzure | update to self-replication page with link to http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=514462&cid=22996516 for review - I wrote this maybe 30 minutes ago and might be a better intro | 00:41 |
| kanzure | huh | 01:06 |
| kanzure | on a completely irrelevant note | 01:06 |
| kanzure | oh, nevermind | 01:07 |
| Aulere | ? | 01:08 |
| kanzure | Aulere: I just saw an argument for genetic testing for embryos, but then I realized I don't care. | 01:09 |
| Aulere | ah. | 01:09 |
| kanzure | here's how it went: suppose you are one of N embryos, all of which have an equal chance of getting randomly picked | 01:09 |
| kanzure | but then suppose you do genetics tests and then you are given a greater chance | 01:09 |
| kanzure | the argument then goes on to show that it does not change the odds of implantation occuring | 01:09 |
| kanzure | but rather the odds of greater well-being "for you" (being one of the embryos) | 01:09 |
| kanzure | now, I think the author means to say that | 01:10 |
| kanzure | "for you" is in the sense of ... once the embryo is already selected | 01:10 |
| kanzure | suggesting that the parents get to play a role in saying who's who | 01:10 |
| kanzure | but on the other hand, I don't really care | 01:10 |
| kanzure | just implant | 01:10 |
| Aulere | heh | 01:10 |
| kanzure | or, I mean to say that I don't care if you use genetic testing or evaluation, do whatever you want | 01:10 |
| Aulere | did the article specify which dispositions were being genetically tested for? | 01:13 |
| Aulere | I would care, depending on what was being screened out. | 01:14 |
| kanzure | well | 01:16 |
| kanzure | it was an email | 01:16 |
| Aulere | ah | 01:16 |
| kanzure | sent | 01:16 |
| Aulere | oh cool | 01:16 |
| Aulere | looks interesting - I'll read it tomorrow. | 01:18 |
| Aulere | this is just a study break ;-) | 01:19 |
| kanzure | sure | 01:21 |
| kanzure | don't bother reading much into it | 01:21 |
| kanzure | ethics is #politics | 01:22 |
| kanzure | this is #kickass | 01:22 |
| Aulere | hehe | 01:22 |
| Aulere | k | 01:22 |
| kanzure | http://www.openwetware.org/forum/ <-- on my radar | 01:26 |
| kanzure | http://igem.org/forum | 01:27 |
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| fenn | nano is trendy now? http://blog.craftzine.com/archive/2007/06/nanotechnology_and_fashion_ant.html | 13:33 |
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| kanzure | Hey. | 17:44 |
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| kanzure | I can't remember my Sourceforge password. Hm. | 18:14 |
| kanzure | "intentional child crippling is wrong" (in the sense of, say, giving the child autism) | 19:20 |
| kanzure | any thoughts? | 19:20 |
| Enki-2 | kanzure: it's not crippling to give them autism | 19:43 |
| kanzure | Enki-2: that's my opinion as well | 19:43 |
| kanzure | Enki-2: but on the other hand, what's "crippling"? | 19:43 |
| Enki-2 | kanzure: it carries the same risk of negatives as giving them a stronger heart or immunity to aids | 19:43 |
| kanzure | the problem is that this person tied this into a child abuse argument | 19:44 |
| kanzure | giving them autism, he argues, is child abuse | 19:44 |
| Enki-2 | kanzure: that's kind of ridiculous | 19:44 |
| kanzure | but who cares if it is child 'abuse'? | 19:44 |
| Enki-2 | at least, to someone who has autism | 19:44 |
| Enki-2 | i'm sure NTs consider teaching evolution in schools to be child abuse, from time to time | 19:44 |
| Enki-2 | depending on current trends | 19:45 |
| kanzure | I do not like to be beaten, I don't like child abuse, but we must admit that it does occur no matter how many times you make a law against it | 19:45 |
| kanzure | so what does it matter if you call it 'wrong' ? | 19:45 |
| kanzure | are you going to go around genetically testing people? | 19:45 |
| kanzure | and taking away the children that have indicators of autism in their genes? | 19:45 |
| kanzure | sounds rather extreme | 19:45 |
| kanzure | Do you see the difficulty? | 19:50 |
| kanzure | is it still child abuse if you have modified their brains? Is it child abuse if you do anything they don't want? There are too many boundaries here. Although I'm not sure how much it can possibly matter. | 19:51 |
| epitron | i think it depends on society | 20:02 |
| epitron | if you give a kid autism, then throw him into a culture of normal people, he'll be alienated | 20:02 |
| epitron | that's pretty shitty | 20:02 |
| epitron | you'd then have to modify his "desire for social acceptance" | 20:03 |
| epitron | which is programmed into us | 20:03 |
| epitron | and make him into a little robot | 20:03 |
| epitron | at which point, you just have a mutilated human that's a pseudo-robot | 20:03 |
| epitron | :) | 20:03 |
| kanzure | > And again, I think a lot of these disagreements have to do with | 20:07 |
| kanzure | > boundary perception. Personally, I am terrified by the idea that | 20:07 |
| kanzure | > someone might decide at some point that I am "suboptimal", and | 20:07 |
| kanzure | > determine that this gives them the right to invade my brain or body | 20:07 |
| kanzure | > for my own perceived good. | 20:07 |
| kanzure | (Anne Corwin) | 20:07 |
| kanzure | Hm. This is interesting: | 20:09 |
| kanzure | > But I do NOT see the fact that in reality choices sometimes need to | 20:09 |
| kanzure | > be made for others as some kind of "permission slip" to say, "Well, | 20:09 |
| kanzure | > we invade people's boundaries in Case X and everything works out | 20:09 |
| kanzure | > better in the end, so therefore, invading boundaries isn't a big | 20:09 |
| kanzure | > deal". | 20:09 |
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| kanzure | Hello greeezy. | 20:15 |
| kanzure | http://www.hansonr.org/mediawiki-1.4.7/index.php/Main_Page | 20:28 |
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| kanzure | Hello greez. | 20:42 |
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| kanzure | "His imaginative reaction accounting method is to conventional statistical approaches based on species concentrations, as second quantization is to first quantization in quantum theory. I cannot vouch for his algebra at this time, but his basic method is worthy of positive acknowledgment and encouragement." (JPC, Vol 81, No. 25, 2340, 1977) | 21:06 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Henry_Markram_computational_neurosci_imitation_project | 21:14 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Societal_engineering_knowledge_database#2008-04-08:_Thoughts_on_the_structure | 21:19 |
| kanzure | Hm. A bloke is trying to get me interested in molecular quantum chemistry [for quantum computers]. | 23:18 |
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