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| kanzure | Will somebody please check the http://perlmonk.org/ chatterbox in 20 minutes to see if anybody answered my latest message? I need to run. | 08:50 |
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| kanzure | Hi Aulere. | 17:41 |
| Aulere | hi kanzure | 17:52 |
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| faceface | lets breed baby! | 18:04 |
| faceface | btw, how are you getting on with your BiO.CC account? | 18:09 |
| kanzure | Dan, hey there | 18:19 |
| kanzure | Sorry for my lag | 18:19 |
| kanzure | I've been logging in and checking out some of the folders. Lots of interesting stuff in there. | 18:19 |
| kanzure | I don't understand, though. What's going on there? How many people, who are they, why? etc. | 18:19 |
| faceface | hehe - its confusing I know | 18:21 |
| kanzure | and I checked out the stats, KIGG (the parent govt body) has $100 million in funding | 18:21 |
| kanzure | But it doesn't look like there's much money being used by KOBIC | 18:21 |
| kanzure | what's going on? | 18:21 |
| faceface | basically ... well... perhaps there is no basically.... Jong went to korea to be professor... then he quit and went to another place ... then he quit again I think... now he is the director of KOBIC | 18:21 |
| faceface | don't know. | 18:22 |
| kanzure | I'm glad I know the director of KOBIC, but I don't know what that *means* - how much influence and push does he have? | 18:22 |
| faceface | Jong is good at leaving a trail of chaos behind him... bio.cc is the center of his chaotic world ;-) | 18:22 |
| kanzure | Could he get some of my bio projects funded? (there's not much in way of costs, of course, just need a lab) | 18:22 |
| faceface | kanzure, not sure... don't know what KOBIC does really... the papers carried a story in korea when he quit his post at KAIST - it was unheard of for a professor to quit and go to 'industry' so KOBIC is kinda like Lion biosciences vs EBI type thing | 18:23 |
| kanzure | hm | 18:23 |
| kanzure | I mean, from his websites and biosophy, | 18:24 |
| kanzure | it really seems like he digs my 'DIY biohacking' ideas | 18:24 |
| faceface | kanzure, you can surely ask about funding / collaboration. He payed for me to visit him in korea some time ago... If I can I would like to go again this summer. | 18:24 |
| kanzure | I see. | 18:24 |
| kanzure | I think he would really enjoy helping me out on the biohacking kit | 18:24 |
| faceface | yeah... biosapien... | 18:24 |
| kanzure | what I need to do is publish videos and documents that describe the *exact* steps to make the machinery | 18:24 |
| faceface | kanzure, how long would you need / how long a summer holiday do you have / how much would it cost... I am sure Jong would be interested, but he often complains about 'the system' where he is, so his 'push' is a constant struggle | 18:25 |
| faceface | it seems... I don't really know. | 18:26 |
| kanzure | hm | 18:26 |
| kanzure | My summer is June 1st to August 1st (basically) | 18:26 |
| kanzure | and while I know that I would not be able to get everything done within that time, I can focus on a single project - such as DNA sequencing. | 18:27 |
| kanzure | (I am thinking of the STM version of DNA sequencing.) | 18:27 |
| kanzure | it requires some thought obviously | 18:28 |
| kanzure | but I think that the idea of releasing specific videos on doing these things would be a good push | 18:28 |
| kanzure | *show them* how to use the bioinformatics databases (you know, the screen recorders) | 18:28 |
| kanzure | then show them simulations and so on (obviously you cut out the hour-long pauses as you figure out what to do ;)) | 18:28 |
| kanzure | and then direct, elegant implementations into wetware | 18:28 |
| faceface | kanzure, jong has always talked about wanting to build a mechanical sequencer (as we discussed) - also he wants to found a company to exploit such a product. I am sure he would be delighted if you proposed such a project... you would need to be very focused though with lots of planning. | 18:31 |
| kanzure | haha | 18:32 |
| kanzure | well, you know me | 18:32 |
| kanzure | <-- intense | 18:32 |
| faceface | cool | 18:33 |
| kanzure | remember my site? | 18:33 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/ | 18:33 |
| faceface | indeed | 18:34 |
| faceface | take care. Good luck with your projects. good night. | 18:39 |
| kanzure | g'night | 18:40 |
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| fenn | intense but not focused | 19:14 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl | 19:15 |
| kanzure | bah, I'd say I am focused | 19:15 |
| fenn | focused on a broad subject, maybe | 19:15 |
| kanzure | ah, well, I suppose you may mean that in the sense that I don't just isolate myself completely to get a single item done at a time | 19:16 |
| kanzure | but this is mainly because I am working off of a strategy to make sure I don't pick something that doesn't work | 19:16 |
| fenn | um, wsdl, relevant? how? | 19:16 |
| kanzure | the perlmonks told me that wsdl might be my way of doing formalized usage requirements | 19:17 |
| fenn | O-o | 19:17 |
| kanzure | but I don't get it | 19:20 |
| kanzure | let's just do slip | 19:21 |
| kanzure | or xml | 19:21 |
| kanzure | do we want to rip apt-get directly, or write our own client from scratch? | 19:21 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool | 19:23 |
| kanzure | looks like we can do autogenix with just bash scripts | 19:25 |
| fenn | i'd rather use python | 19:27 |
| fenn | bash is really hard for anything non-trivial | 19:27 |
| kanzure | I agree | 19:27 |
| kanzure | I'd rather do perl, frankly, because of the larger historical context of packages and so on | 19:28 |
| fenn | oh pff | 19:28 |
| kanzure | wait | 19:28 |
| kanzure | it doesn't matter that much | 19:28 |
| kanzure | we can do bindings back and forth | 19:28 |
| fenn | we can use apt for software packages | 19:28 |
| fenn | right, bindings are a great idea, lets do more of those :) | 19:28 |
| kanzure | sort of - we'd need to hack apt for those meta-files | 19:28 |
| fenn | hmm? apt would be a sub-set of autogenix | 19:29 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:29 |
| fenn | a software package would appear to apt as a leaf node, but in autogenix it would just be part of a tree | 19:29 |
| fenn | or is it a root? i always get confused | 19:29 |
| * fenn would like some decent package visualization software | 19:30 | |
| fenn | dependency^ | 19:30 |
| kanzure | there are a few distinctions to make for software | 19:30 |
| kanzure | some software would do simulations, others would be parsers and generators, converters, etc., | 19:31 |
| kanzure | in the sense of dependency-loops in the self-replicator design, I doubt software would matter that much; once there's an ability to do software storage, all software can be implemented on it | 19:31 |
| fenn | sure, simulator/test/parse would be specified somehow | 19:32 |
| kanzure | eh | 19:32 |
| kanzure | this sounds like Cantor's mathematics | 19:33 |
| kanzure | that the number of identifiers is the same as the number of possible programs | 19:33 |
| kanzure | or something like that | 19:33 |
| * fenn googles | 19:33 | |
| kanzure | it's ignorable at the moment | 19:33 |
| kanzure | I haven't thought about whether or not we would specify the structural relationships between the software packages | 19:33 |
| kanzure | I hear that this is a big problem in apt, they only have a few ways to specify dependency | 19:33 |
| kanzure | and dependency-resolution in their system is an even bigger problem | 19:34 |
| kanzure | *dependency-error resolution | 19:34 |
| fenn | lol n*infinity | 19:34 |
| fenn | my math teacher wouldn't have any of it | 19:34 |
| kanzure | okay, so I guess there's only a limited number of relationships that we want to express anyway | 19:36 |
| kanzure | this is just dependency or whatever - "download this at the same time in order to make it run" dependency stuff | 19:36 |
| kanzure | other stuff like "is an alternative to" doesn't have to be specified on the package level ... rather, a larger package would reference all of the packages that are of the same type, and a person would make that package file if they were so inclined | 19:36 |
| kanzure | (plus reverse links of course) | 19:36 |
| kanzure | s/reverse links/backlinks/ | 19:37 |
| fenn | you can do aliases for dependencies | 19:37 |
| fenn | in apt | 19:37 |
| fenn | well, dpkg really | 19:38 |
| kanzure | sounds like ##REDIRECT to me | 19:38 |
| fenn | right | 19:38 |
| fenn | why is redirect discouraged? | 19:38 |
| kanzure | which reminds me -- it'd be really nice if we can have CVS integrated into the backend for the wiki ... CVS for mysql or something, and then just make sure that it's editing the wiki tables. That'd be really helpful. | 19:38 |
| kanzure | is it? | 19:38 |
| fenn | yeah you're supposed to send 405 or something | 19:39 |
| kanzure | oh | 19:39 |
| kanzure | it's because redirect is in the HTTP header | 19:39 |
| kanzure | whereas javascript/html redirect is more boggy stuff | 19:39 |
| kanzure | I'm all for 405 :) | 19:39 |
| kanzure | apache mod_rewrite etc | 19:39 |
| fenn | sure | 19:39 |
| kanzure | and mod_redirect IIRC | 19:39 |
| fenn | mod_rewrite is bitchun | 19:39 |
| fenn | (when it works) | 19:40 |
| fenn | CVS is old, but i get your drift | 19:40 |
| fenn | i like git because it can track changes between files | 19:40 |
| kanzure | I refuse to let this be an HTTP-only interface ordeal, where autogenix would have to go through HTTP and HTML to get stuff ... how absurd. | 19:40 |
| fenn | like, if you move code from package a to package b | 19:40 |
| kanzure | I have no preferences for versioning systems, so I'm good for your preferences | 19:41 |
| fenn | what's wrong with http? it gets through firewalls and downloads packages | 19:41 |
| kanzure | wait, http is ok | 19:41 |
| fenn | you mean UI? | 19:41 |
| kanzure | but not html to represent the wiki page only | 19:41 |
| fenn | right | 19:41 |
| kanzure | hm | 19:41 |
| kanzure | I wonder how we would opt to do that | 19:41 |
| kanzure | would we want to dump the package as a wiki-compatable-format | 19:41 |
| kanzure | or would we want the wiki to retrieve the file from another table in the db | 19:42 |
| fenn | wiki is a nebulous concept :) | 19:42 |
| kanzure | and then do its own markup | 19:42 |
| kanzure | true | 19:42 |
| kanzure | I was hoping for mediawiki just to do the status quo thing | 19:42 |
| fenn | it doesnt have to be a markup language | 19:42 |
| fenn | fuck mediawiki | 19:42 |
| kanzure | xml is markup | 19:42 |
| kanzure | although slip isn't | 19:42 |
| fenn | er, uh, i mean a display markup | 19:42 |
| kanzure | ah | 19:42 |
| kanzure | going over it: | 19:43 |
| fenn | ok, the 'wiki' software's job is to take our XML markup and transform it into some pretty HTML | 19:44 |
| kanzure | ohhh | 19:44 |
| fenn | i'm sure there's hundreds of things out there that can do that | 19:44 |
| kanzure | what if our XML is compatable with our standards + wiki at the same time | 19:44 |
| kanzure | or at least we can have a wiki extension to interpret it | 19:44 |
| fenn | yeah, i thought you had come to that conclusion already :) | 19:44 |
| kanzure | for example, in mediawiki you can do <youtube> tags, so same -- | 19:44 |
| kanzure | sure, I'll pretend like I did | 19:44 |
| fenn | so.. there's more to it than just xml | 19:45 |
| fenn | also cad files, binaries, assorted nastiness | 19:45 |
| kanzure | xml must reference those files, yes | 19:45 |
| kanzure | i.e., "<dataFile>/path/to/my.cad</dataFile>" | 19:46 |
| fenn | i'm worried about version control systems and large quantities of binary files | 19:46 |
| fenn | it could turn into a mess quickly | 19:46 |
| fenn | but i dont have any suggestions | 19:46 |
| kanzure | are you worried about messy dir structures, or too much used space? | 19:46 |
| fenn | space, inability to track changes | 19:46 |
| fenn | more like, bandwidth for mirroring | 19:47 |
| kanzure | re: space, periodic package pruning? with also backup and mirroring to offsite storage | 19:47 |
| kanzure | hm | 19:47 |
| fenn | we could just say, 'dont do that' | 19:47 |
| fenn | i.e. all illustrations in svg | 19:48 |
| fenn | cad files in ascii | 19:48 |
| fenn | open source cad doesn't exist yet.. wtf are we going to do about that | 19:48 |
| kanzure | are you sure? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | that sounds unlikely | 19:49 |
| fenn | 3d stuff | 19:49 |
| kanzure | http://blender.org/ | 19:49 |
| fenn | not cad | 19:49 |
| kanzure | I've never really used CAD | 19:49 |
| fenn | uh, it's hard to tell the difference until you actually try to build something with it | 19:49 |
| fenn | basically, blender is like smooshing modeling clay around | 19:49 |
| kanzure | right | 19:49 |
| fenn | and cad is like, programming a computer | 19:50 |
| fenn | there are various degrees in between too, like rhino | 19:50 |
| kanzure | not working with crappy blender-interfaces? | 19:50 |
| fenn | nothing to do with the interface | 19:50 |
| kanzure | I think blender allows python scripts now though | 19:50 |
| kanzure | so that you can program it to make models | 19:50 |
| fenn | there have been attempts to create a cad interface for blender, miserable failure | 19:50 |
| kanzure | here's what I am thinking - | 19:51 |
| kanzure | (1) write up some autogenix code? do we want to steal from apt directly? what do we want it to be able to do? this is dependent on the package definition format; so really we just need a way to bootstrap the downloading of a new version of a script to work with the db | 19:51 |
| kanzure | this is dependent on the package definition format; so really we just need a way to bootstrap the downloading of a new version of a script to work with the db | 19:51 |
| fenn | basically, a 3d modeler doesn't store high level information, or real-world technological information | 19:51 |
| kanzure | (2) write up the meta-information / file format io specs or DTD (investigate?) ... this is the usage-statement stuff that we were talking about | 19:52 |
| kanzure | (3) wiki/versioning combo investigations | 19:52 |
| fenn | in a first draft, i want autogenix to verify: units, connectors, signal types, software compatibility | 19:53 |
| kanzure | how does apt do it? locally? | 19:53 |
| kanzure | I think apt downloads the overhead database and then does local scanning | 19:53 |
| kanzure | and then only calls the server to get the package | 19:53 |
| fenn | apt downloads the control files, right | 19:53 |
| fenn | actually it downloads diffs which are updated regularly (somehow) | 19:53 |
| kanzure | huh | 19:54 |
| kanzure | well, that would work well with #3 | 19:54 |
| fenn | we could do that with git | 19:54 |
| kanzure | since wikis and versioning systems both wrok with diffs | 19:54 |
| fenn | git diff <db root> | 19:54 |
| kanzure | neat | 19:54 |
| kanzure | okay, so you want autogenix to be able to interpret package files | 19:55 |
| kanzure | I wonder if it's worth throwing that into another program | 19:55 |
| kanzure | apt-get = autogenix, apt-check for verification/validation, | 19:55 |
| fenn | i know you're trying to prod me into writing code, but i gotta do my taxes tonight :\ | 19:55 |
| kanzure | I'm trying to prod you into specifications | 19:55 |
| kanzure | I can do code, if I know what I want | 19:55 |
| kanzure | hehe | 19:56 |
| kanzure | there's also the 'usage message' formalization lib - this will come later when we start throwing in some software into the database, I guess, don't think it's that relevant to these bootstrap programs really | 19:57 |
| fenn | apt-check just verifies that the db is consistent | 19:57 |
| fenn | 'lintian' is one program that validates a debian package | 19:58 |
| kanzure | does apt-check actually exist ? | 19:58 |
| fenn | no, i was thinking apt-get check | 19:58 |
| kanzure | ah | 19:58 |
| kanzure | didn't know | 19:58 |
| fenn | usage message? for software or hardware or package management? | 19:59 |
| kanzure | the usage-message stuff is for, say, | 20:00 |
| fenn | or just documentation in general? | 20:00 |
| kanzure | package re: chairs, references some software that simulates chairs | 20:00 |
| kanzure | chairSimulator requires certain input data | 20:00 |
| kanzure | like a 3d object file | 20:00 |
| fenn | an API? | 20:00 |
| kanzure | yeah, | 20:00 |
| kanzure | remember the inline code we were discussing? | 20:00 |
| fenn | that's usually too much to pack into a man page | 20:00 |
| kanzure | right | 20:00 |
| kanzure | a man page is plain text anyway | 20:00 |
| kanzure | I'm thinking that this would be like "--help2" -- any program could call this, and get back formal information that says parameter 'testParam' requires file format of type ID 3940141 and then skdb has some information on that format | 20:01 |
| kanzure | *any person could call this | 20:01 |
| kanzure | don't know if programs will, but if they do, they might find a way to use it | 20:01 |
| kanzure | more importantly this xml spec would be available next to the program too | 20:02 |
| kanzure | so that it can be read without executing the program | 20:02 |
| kanzure | we could do away with that idea entirely if we have to | 20:10 |
| kanzure | I'm pretty sure it's useful | 20:10 |
| kanzure | as it is, with apt-get, you could get a physics simulator, but not be able to interpret the results because nobody tells you what the file formats really are | 20:11 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_mathematical_symbols | 20:16 |
| fenn | lots of programs dont generate output files | 20:17 |
| fenn | or if they do, its intended as a debug or strictly for hackery | 20:18 |
| fenn | i do like the unix philosophy though | 20:18 |
| fenn | it's almost mandatory for something this large and complex anyway | 20:18 |
| fenn | automated man-page reading would be powerful, but i dont even know where to begin (and it may be beyond the scope of what we're doing) | 20:20 |
| fenn | it's not that hard to tell what kind of file you're reading, as usually there's a limited number of choices anyway | 20:22 |
| fenn | case "slip-xml": parse_slip(); case "stl" parse_stl(); etc | 20:23 |
| fenn | say you had a connector modeled in stl | 20:23 |
| fenn | like a wall plug or something | 20:23 |
| fenn | that stl file would be given a name, and could be referenced as a member of the electricity module | 20:24 |
| fenn | and linked to the autogenix 'unit' describing that interface? | 20:25 |
| fenn | maybe interface needs to be a separate parameter for describing functionality | 20:25 |
| fenn | (instead of being glommed onto units) | 20:25 |
| fenn | 110V 60Hz 15A are the units, but the interface is the familiar 0.o plug | 20:27 |
| fenn | software is another ball game though | 20:27 |
| fenn | hmm. have to get wave-form in there too i guess | 20:28 |
| fenn | sinusoidal is not the same as what most inverters put out, and then there's 'magic sinewaves' and so on | 20:29 |
| fenn | also, all these values want tolerances | 20:30 |
| fenn | we could re-name it 'technological interface database with diagrams included' :) | 20:30 |
| kanzure | automated man page reading *will* be limited. You can only write in terms of text what the parameter is *for*, but you can specify what to give it :) | 20:34 |
| kanzure | for the connector in that case - those units would have to be variablized based off of the material specifications, right? | 20:36 |
| kanzure | think of it like a typical electronics lab | 20:36 |
| kanzure | my high school electronics shop has this huge wall of compartments | 20:36 |
| kanzure | of tens of thousands of components | 20:36 |
| kanzure | in terrible organization, of course | 20:36 |
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| kanzure | specifying the units like that seems kinda weird though | 20:37 |
| kanzure | at first I guess we can have tens of thousands of packages specifying different resistors | 20:38 |
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| kanzure | (of course, we wouldn't do that by hand - we'd eat some digikey.com data sheets or something) | 20:38 |
| kanzure | (or even have an automatic cron job to update based off of digikey.com database queries, as long as we keep up with their HTML format output specs) | 20:38 |
| kanzure | but on the other hand, if we come upon the software to model the materials used to make those resistors | 20:38 |
| kanzure | then that's really, really useful | 20:38 |
| kanzure | so that we can then just have one package that can provide a conventional resistor | 20:38 |
| kanzure | and then we can pass some inputs to it to get the output for a type of resistor that we want | 20:39 |
| kanzure | either way should wrok | 20:39 |
| kanzure | *work | 20:39 |
| fenn_ | i got a decent idea; units would be named arguments to the interface class | 20:40 |
| kanzure | define interface class | 20:40 |
| fenn_ | a code object that references all the cad files and whatnot | 20:41 |
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| kanzure | oh, interesting | 20:42 |
| fenn | digikey allows parametric search, so you just search for what's specified and get a list of components that match | 20:42 |
| kanzure | cool | 20:43 |
| kanzure | okay, I wasn't expecting your interface class idea | 20:43 |
| kanzure | what I was thinking of was that the package-format could have a way for the programmer to list related files or whatever | 20:43 |
| kanzure | so that you would drop a cad file into a project if it's relevant | 20:43 |
| kanzure | (just link to it, actually, instead of multiple copies) | 20:43 |
| fenn | hmm, i was thinking the class would usually be specified in a standard interface library, like NEMA or some crap, but yeah you could make your own interfaces | 20:44 |
| fenn | i'd like to avoid the scenario where someone thinks they have all the software needed for building a package, but then at (software run) (tech build) time it turns out there's a dangling reference to some file | 20:46 |
| kanzure | that's what the validator and ref-checkers would be for | 20:46 |
| kanzure | or | 20:46 |
| kanzure | we have people devote themselves to making sure a package they throw up really, truly works | 20:46 |
| kanzure | and we can say "this *will* work if you do a full download" | 20:46 |
| fenn | i think i'd rather trust the machine :) | 20:47 |
| kanzure | sure | 20:47 |
| fenn | and devote the energy toward making sure the validator works | 20:47 |
| kanzure | well, how about this | 20:47 |
| kanzure | if the validator finds that there's something missing in the packages, and has to go search the database | 20:47 |
| kanzure | the person using the software doesn't necessarily know what interface is needed to make it work | 20:47 |
| kanzure | they will get a list | 20:47 |
| kanzure | and perhaps there will be only one program that they can choose from, if so that's great | 20:47 |
| kanzure | but otherwise they might be clueless | 20:47 |
| kanzure | they could either do trial and error | 20:47 |
| kanzure | or they could generate a debug report or whatever | 20:48 |
| kanzure | and then go ask somebody who might have a clue | 20:48 |
| kanzure | and if a package *is* chosen, then this should be an auto-generated use case | 20:48 |
| kanzure | and uploaded to the database for analysis/use/whatever | 20:48 |
| fenn | hurr.. the interface should be specified enough so that it truly doesnt matter which one they pick | 20:48 |
| kanzure | well, think about the tools that do different things to files | 20:48 |
| kanzure | for example, html2pdf versus frontpage | 20:49 |
| kanzure | both have html input specs | 20:49 |
| * fenn was thinking text editors | 20:49 | |
| fenn | uh, lets just leave frontpage out of this okay/ | 20:49 |
| kanzure | haha =) | 20:49 |
| kanzure | just trying to think on my feet | 20:49 |
| fenn | you cant say 'look, broken software exists and people use it, so it is a possibility' | 20:50 |
| kanzure | so the solution is not at run-time or download-time | 20:50 |
| kanzure | but rather approval-time | 20:50 |
| kanzure | when we are adding the package into the database | 20:50 |
| fenn | could be both | 20:50 |
| kanzure | with run-time and/or download-time you get into territory where you get ambiguous software suggestions though | 20:51 |
| fenn | the database could get out of whack, then the user unwittingly downloads broken packages and believes they are ok | 20:51 |
| kanzure | yep | 20:51 |
| fenn | why ambiguous? | 20:51 |
| kanzure | like I said: html2pdf v. the unmentionable program | 20:51 |
| kanzure | both take HTML input | 20:51 |
| fenn | html isnt a specification | 20:51 |
| kanzure | stl v. blender | 20:52 |
| fenn | uh, blender isnt a specification :) | 20:52 |
| fenn | its a core dump | 20:52 |
| kanzure | dot blender files | 20:52 |
| kanzure | oh? | 20:52 |
| kanzure | hah | 20:52 |
| fenn | srsly | 20:52 |
| kanzure | what the hell are they smoking? | 20:52 |
| kanzure | I guess it could be sorta easy | 20:52 |
| fenn | i think you cant even load different versions of blender files into blender | 20:52 |
| fenn | ok, so, stl vs. collada | 20:53 |
| fenn | both well defined, and incompatible | 20:53 |
| fenn | so no reason the package should pick the wrong one | 20:53 |
| kanzure | those are file formats | 20:53 |
| fenn | stl 1.0 vs stl 2.0 | 20:53 |
| kanzure | nono | 20:53 |
| kanzure | let's suppose we have | 20:54 |
| kanzure | stl-program-1 | 20:54 |
| kanzure | stl-program-2 | 20:54 |
| kanzure | thus, ambiguity | 20:54 |
| fenn | ok, stl-program-1 outputs stl version 1.0 file format? | 20:54 |
| kanzure | the cur package does not care what the output of whatever-stl-prog is | 20:54 |
| kanzure | (let's just say)( | 20:55 |
| fenn | it should care what the output is, that's its job | 20:55 |
| kanzure | okay, good point | 20:55 |
| fenn | if it's underspecified, that should be fixed | 20:56 |
| fenn | would like a piece of software to detect that sort of programmer error | 20:56 |
| fenn | i.e. if a program can read stl2.0 then it can read stl1.0, doesnt mean the other way around will work | 20:57 |
| fenn | sounds boring to code though | 20:57 |
| fenn | there really should be some big database describing all the file formats, everywhere | 20:58 |
| fenn | or a language that the people who create file formats can decribe their format with | 20:59 |
| fenn | <.rantD[D[D[D[D/> | 20:59 |
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| * fenn grumbles about EXPRESS | 21:03 | |
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| kanzure | yep, format db indeed | 21:31 |
| kanzure | we will just keep the format db separate from skdb (even though it is a part of it, yes) | 21:32 |
| kanzure | so that it too can be mirrored and backed up | 21:32 |
| drazak | kanzure: any luck with those books? | 21:57 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Tumlinson <-- This guy funded the Mars Society and did FINDS. He funds space-tech groups. But the trick is that you don't find him, he finds you, or else he rejects your application. | 23:19 |
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