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| kanzure | perl? | 00:25 |
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| fenn | trying to figure out why this is forbidden http://fennetic.net/git/gitweb.cgi | 00:27 |
| kanzure | it's hidden in /etc/gitweb.conf | 00:34 |
| kanzure | oh, well | 00:35 |
| kanzure | that's just an apache error really | 00:35 |
| kanzure | but once you get that solved, gitweb.cgi will have another problem | 00:35 |
| fenn | oh, now its changed | 00:35 |
| kanzure | unless you're using /var/cache/git or something | 00:35 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=wiki.git;a=history;f=sandbox.mdwn | 00:36 |
| kanzure | sucks | 00:36 |
| fenn | should say 403 Forbidden - No projects found | 00:36 |
| kanzure | right | 00:36 |
| kanzure | but I fixed that | 00:36 |
| kanzure | just make sure the vars in gitweb.cgi and /etc/gitweb.conf match each other for the project paths etc. | 00:36 |
| fenn | arrr stupid gitweb.cgi has all those variables in the script too, so i changed them thinking they actually got used | 00:37 |
| kanzure | I thought they do. | 00:37 |
| fenn | apparently projectroot gets overwritten by /etc/gitweb.conf | 00:38 |
| fenn | i think your gitweb css file isnt being found | 00:39 |
| kanzure | I don't know where anything related to gitweb is located except /etc/gitweb.conf and /usr/lib/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi | 00:39 |
| fenn | is there /var/www/git-logo.png | 00:42 |
| kanzure | I think I have to go rip out my ikiwiki repos and then start from fresh on that end | 00:42 |
| kanzure | hm | 00:42 |
| kanzure | yep | 00:42 |
| kanzure | that's not my www-root though :) | 00:42 |
| kanzure | fixed | 00:43 |
| fenn | looks same | 00:43 |
| fenn | its looking in http://heybryan.org/cgi-bin/git-logo.png | 00:44 |
| kanzure | yeah :( | 00:45 |
| kanzure | and why is wikiwc/.git/ more populated than /home/bbishop/.git/wiki.git/ ? | 00:46 |
| fenn | because ikiwiki hasnt committed its stuff? | 00:49 |
| kanzure | how do you do that? | 00:49 |
| kanzure | and why is ikiwiki.cgi not working ? | 00:49 |
| fenn | there's a function in ikiwiki.setup? that needs uncommented (commit hook i think) | 00:49 |
| fenn | i havent gotten that far yet | 00:49 |
| kanzure | post-update, methinks | 00:52 |
| fenn | gcc-wrapped setuid perl files are the stupidest hack ever | 00:56 |
| kanzure | what are they? | 00:57 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=wiki.git;a=history;f=index.mdwn | 00:57 |
| kanzure | neat | 00:57 |
| kanzure | too bad editing from the web still doesn't work | 00:58 |
| fenn | its a setuid executable that will let you do root stuff from perl without the 'inherent insecurity' of a perl text file | 00:58 |
| fenn | i dont really get it, honestly | 00:58 |
| fenn | your rewrite rule is a little off.. heybryan.org/wiki fails but heybryan.org/wiki/ works | 01:00 |
| fenn | 'Error: "do" parameter missing' is the problem? | 01:01 |
| kanzure | it's not a rewrite rule, it's actually that /wiki doesn't exist | 01:02 |
| kanzure | 'access without authorization denied' is given for my cgi script, I had to check with lynx | 01:02 |
| kanzure | but Opera doesn't tell me anything except give a blank page | 01:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: nah, it just goes blank when I hit 'edit' for a page. | 01:03 |
| kanzure | it used to give me a login form | 01:05 |
| kanzure | and I even registered | 01:05 |
| kanzure | (also tried from another browser with separate cookie session, no login form - still a blank page - guess I could have known this from my lynx usage) | 01:05 |
| fenn | yeah i see that. | 01:08 |
| fenn | hmm. updates to the main repo dont percolate down to ikiwiki | 01:14 |
| fenn | have to do run ikiwiki for it to update static html | 01:15 |
| kanzure | it looks like they are using a lock system | 01:16 |
| kanzure | where they lock the repo from being updated | 01:16 |
| kanzure | but this repo isn't the main repo | 01:16 |
| fenn | why do you say they lock the repo? | 01:17 |
| kanzure | because when I go to ikiwiki.cgi?do=edit&page=index.mdwm in the browser, two files are in generated in wikiwc/.ikiwiki/ -- sessiondb.lck, and lockfile | 01:17 |
| kanzure | it's not locking the repo really | 01:18 |
| kanzure | it's more of a lock on the wiki's editing capacities, I think | 01:18 |
| kanzure | but whatever happening in my installation is probably due to some confusion as to where the wiki repo is | 01:18 |
| kanzure | so if the static html isn't updated when updating the main git repo, then how's that useful? | 01:19 |
| kanzure | oh, didn't you say it is possible to attach function calls to git? | 01:19 |
| kanzure | so that when a commit is made, it calls some handler function you assign? | 01:19 |
| fenn | sigh.. ~/autogenix/.ikiwiki/userdb has plaintext password | 01:19 |
| kanzure | yes. | 01:19 |
| fenn | er. wikiwc not autogenix in your case | 01:19 |
| kanzure | this seems like a giant hacky system | 01:20 |
| kanzure | although it has a good web presence - the documentation is great, but deceptive | 01:20 |
| fenn | function calls are in wikiwc/.git/hooks | 01:21 |
| kanzure | I would much rather use a flat file wiki | 01:21 |
| kanzure | hm | 01:21 |
| kanzure | well, then shouldn't that do it? | 01:21 |
| fenn | yeah i dont really see what ikiwiki does with git, besides run a script after you edit the page | 01:21 |
| fenn | (if that) | 01:21 |
| fenn | i'm getting confused with three different copies of the data and two unfamiliar programs | 01:22 |
| kanzure | try git://atonie.org/git-wiki.git | 01:23 |
| fenn | um, do what, clone it? | 01:23 |
| kanzure | author: http://atonie.org/2008/02/git-wiki | 01:24 |
| kanzure | it's supposedly a 200-line wiki with git as the direct database | 01:24 |
| kanzure | and an active frontend or something | 01:24 |
| kanzure | blah | 01:27 |
| kanzure | wikipedia says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikiwiki 'n the simplest case it can function as an off-line static web site generator, but it can use cgi to function as a normal web-interfaced wiki as well. ' | 01:32 |
| kanzure | normal web-interfaced wiki? | 01:32 |
| fenn | i think that means 'generate dynamic content' | 01:34 |
| kanzure | if that was true then it would mean reading directly from the main repo, no? | 01:34 |
| kanzure | and I don't see any indication that this is possible | 01:34 |
| fenn | maybe you're supposed to add 'ikiwiki --refresh' to wikiwc/.git/hooks/post-commit? | 01:41 |
| kanzure | didn't do much | 01:49 |
| kanzure | don't know | 01:49 |
| kanzure | I sent Joey an email. | 01:49 |
| fenn | if the prefix_directives option is not enabled. For backward compatibility with existing wikis, this option currently defaults to off,0~ | 01:53 |
| fenn | thats why the recentchanges page is all screwed up | 01:53 |
| kanzure | great, but why is the edit-wiki page not working | 01:58 |
| kanzure | does it work for you? | 01:58 |
| fenn | yes | 01:58 |
| fenn | anything in the logs? /var/log/apache2/error.log | 01:59 |
| kanzure | no | 02:01 |
| kanzure | okay, I'll just do a fresh install of ikiwiki | 02:01 |
| kanzure | so tell me, if you edit a page through http on ikiwiki | 02:01 |
| kanzure | and if you have the hook in the config file | 02:01 |
| kanzure | then is the main repo updated? | 02:01 |
| fenn | not sure, i think i screwed something up by moving the main repo around | 02:01 |
| kanzure | and, conversely, if you clone the main repo, update a file, and then push the whole thing back to the main one, is the wiki immediately updated? | 02:02 |
| fenn | its looking in /pub/git though i cant find that string anywhere | 02:02 |
| kanzure | I thought that's in the /etc/webgit.conf | 02:02 |
| kanzure | gitweb or whatever | 02:02 |
| fenn | well, it was, but i changed that, but i also did have a repo at /pub/git | 02:02 |
| kanzure | where the hell are the config options for these things | 02:03 |
| fenn | so i should also probably start over | 02:03 |
| kanzure | it's very under the hood .. | 02:03 |
| fenn | yeah | 02:03 |
| kanzure | what we need is a program that can encapsulate another program that we choose | 02:03 |
| kanzure | and then show what files have been updated on the hard drive | 02:03 |
| kanzure | so that we can track everything. | 02:03 |
| kanzure | surely this exists? | 02:03 |
| kanzure | a mini virtualization environment | 02:03 |
| kanzure | the blog on my server is http://blosxom.com/ - it's a cgi script that reads the flat file blog posts from a directory, so on each call to the cgi script it assembles and parses and dispalys the text files, and it's managed by rsync at the moment (primitive versioning) | 02:06 |
| kanzure | it does seem to have a wiki-like plugin | 02:07 |
| kanzure | http://www.blosxom.com/plugins/edit/wikieditish.htm | 02:07 |
| kanzure | so that might be a worthwhile alternative. | 02:08 |
| kanzure | i'll do a fresh install of ikiwiki tomorrow, once I clear out the git repos, and see what else I can do there, and wait for a Joey email, but other than that, this sucks - I could have made more progress coding my own wiki from scratch tonight, it seems. | 02:08 |
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| kanzure | http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikiAsSourceControlRepository (I was using meatball wiki / usemod back in 2005) | 12:02 |
| kanzure | http://www.jspwiki.org/Wiki.jsp?page=WikiRPCInterface2 | 12:03 |
| kanzure | http://wrcs.sourceforge.net/ 'The WRCS project aims to provide a simple command-line oriented client for the Wiki sites that support WikiRPC 2 protocol. It's interface is built after popular versioning systems like RCS, CVS or Subversion.' | 12:03 |
| kanzure | one of my serch results for 'ikiwiki' took me to Daniel Burrows' instance of ikiwiki -- he happens to be the guy that programmed the apt frontend .. he's claiming it's 38,000 lines. | 12:45 |
| kanzure | btw, following your notes for installing ikiwiki, I git to ikiwiki --setup at which point it fails with "fatal: Not a git repository" | 12:46 |
| kanzure | hurray! I got the lab spot | 12:48 |
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| fenn | > Does an update via the http wiki interface immediately | 14:42 |
| fenn | propagate to the main repo? Does an update to the main repo immediately | 14:42 |
| fenn | propogate to the wiki? | 14:42 |
| fenn | yes, and yes | 14:42 |
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| fenn | >partial recompilations of the wiki? | 14:42 |
| fenn | yes | 14:42 |
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| fenn | my only gripes are with the fact that files are named <name>.mdwn but in the wiki if you go to <name> it redirects to <name>/index.html which doesn't work for files that arent .mdwn (wiki syntax) | 14:44 |
| kanzure | why does it need files to be named .mdwn | 14:51 |
| fenn | dunno, i think its stupid | 14:52 |
| kanzure | so I most definitely have the lab spot | 14:52 |
| kanzure | the professor wants to know when I can start | 14:52 |
| kanzure | I graduate May 30, so I can possibly start on the 31st | 14:52 |
| fenn | heh | 14:52 |
| kanzure | but what's lab etiquette like ? | 14:52 |
| kanzure | is the professor the pointy-haired boss? | 14:53 |
| fenn | put stuff back where you got it | 14:53 |
| fenn | in my experience the prof was always out of sight | 14:53 |
| fenn | had to make an appointment to talk to him :P | 14:53 |
| fenn | everyone runs their lab differently | 14:53 |
| kanzure | understandably. | 14:59 |
| kanzure | basically he said "When do you plan to start showing up?" so it looks like he's not going to make the plans for me | 15:01 |
| kanzure | but I don't know how much room he's giving me, really | 15:01 |
| fenn | a bench, or half a bench | 15:04 |
| fenn | is lion kimbro some kind of time-nut? | 15:11 |
| kanzure | don't know | 15:11 |
| kanzure | he stopped his notebooks after four months | 15:11 |
| fenn | just ran across this totally randomly "I'd like to be able to ask the server what time it thinks it is. -- LionKimbro" | 15:11 |
| kanzure | in his intro he says "THIS WILL COMPLETELY IMMOBILIZE YOU" and he's right. | 15:11 |
| kanzure | (it's happened to me) | 15:12 |
| fenn | keeping a notebook, or reading his? | 15:12 |
| kanzure | keeping/managing | 15:12 |
| kanzure | you get to the point where you have all of these thousands of pages of notes and documents | 15:13 |
| kanzure | and to refactor them would be *hell* | 15:13 |
| kanzure | so you become very, very specific in your thoughts and so on, and try to make the best generalization and approaches that you can so that you don't fuck yourself over | 15:13 |
| fenn | i only write down good ideas and things that i've already done | 15:13 |
| kanzure | but it's just so much overhead ... | 15:13 |
| kanzure | well, you're not in prison for 8 to 10 hours a day | 15:13 |
| kanzure | ;) | 15:14 |
| kanzure | speaking of which, I have a Rube Goldberg machine to go construct | 15:14 |
| kanzure | bbl | 15:14 |
| fenn | fun | 15:14 |
| kanzure | btw, we might have to use your ikiwiki installation since my server is being a bitch with git | 15:14 |
| kanzure | I was following your shell script when it started to complain that git/skdb.git/ wasn't a repository | 15:15 |
| fenn | were you in git/skdb.git/ ? | 15:15 |
| fenn | it seems the current dir matters sometimes | 15:15 |
| fenn | (also i'm not entirely 100% certain my script is correct) | 15:16 |
| kanzure | hm | 15:16 |
| fenn | oh, ikiwiki --setup shouldnt care what dir you're in | 15:17 |
| kanzure | so before that you do the makerepo command | 15:17 |
| kanzure | ikiwiki-makerepo ... fatal: remote origin already exists | 15:21 |
| fenn | aha i see | 15:22 |
| kanzure | ? | 15:22 |
| fenn | arent supposed to make the empty dir ~/git/skdb.git/ | 15:23 |
| kanzure | right, I deleted it and then did the makerepo command | 15:23 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/skdb/ | 15:24 |
| kanzure | eh? | 15:25 |
| fenn | it works for me, following my instructions (except the empty dir part) | 15:27 |
| fenn | wonder if i'm not doing the makerepo part wrong though | 15:28 |
| fenn | i mean, i'm still in cvs-think wondering where the central repository is | 15:29 |
| kanzure | I followed your instructions specifically. | 15:29 |
| fenn | where are you at now? | 15:29 |
| kanzure | make-repo and then ikiwiki --setup | 15:31 |
| kanzure | the ikiwiki --setup call fails because git claims it's not a repository | 15:32 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2008/04/ <--- a good way to kill your browser. My blog was reuploaded on the 11th, so all of the posts appear on one page. But it's good stuff. | 15:32 |
| fenn | does make-repo say something like this at the end: Directory /var/www/ikiwiki.skdb.wc/ is now a clone of git repository /home/fenn/git/skdb.git ? | 15:33 |
| kanzure | hm, there's a good Freitas interview in there with Merkle ... | 15:35 |
| kanzure | uh | 15:35 |
| kanzure | no | 15:35 |
| kanzure | Importing /var/www/ikiwiki.skdb.wc/ into git | 15:35 |
| kanzure | Initialized empty shared Git repo in ~/.git/skdb.git/ | 15:35 |
| kanzure | Reinitializing existing Git repo in .git/ | 15:35 |
| kanzure | # On branch master | 15:35 |
| kanzure | nothing to commit (working directory clean) | 15:35 |
| fenn | hmm | 15:36 |
| fenn | the # On branch master is different | 15:36 |
| kanzure | Freitas is doing comp-chem simulations | 15:36 |
| kanzure | 'So, we went ahead and analyzed it. And it’s 1630 tooltip/workpiece structures, 65 reaction sequences, 328 reaction steps, 354 unique pathological side reactions. ' | 15:36 |
| kanzure | heh | 15:36 |
| kanzure | Here are the tools. There are nine tools. Starting from the upper left, we have the hydrogen abstraction tool with the ethynyl radical. This is the tool that has been studied so extensively in the literature, and we are pretty comfortable with it. The next one is the hydrogen donation tool. You’ll notice it has a yellow atom. That yellow atom is a germanium. The germanium-hydrogen bond is a fairly weak bond, so this tool can be | 15:37 |
| kanzure | Then we have the germylene tool. That’s sort of the flipside. That’s got a carbon at the bridgehead position and a germanium atom, so now you can use this tool to bring up a germanium to a structure. You have to go through more antics in order to pull back and make sure that your germanium actually sticks with the surface and not with the tool, but you can make that happen. | 15:37 |
| kanzure | permalink http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2008/04/11#diamond_mechanosynthesis | 15:37 |
| * fenn cringes | 15:37 | |
| fenn | this is all to make diamond? | 15:37 |
| kanzure | better permalink http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/sci/nano#diamond_mechanosynthesis | 15:38 |
| kanzure | hm | 15:38 |
| kanzure | no | 15:38 |
| kanzure | this is their diamondoid mechanosynthesis approach to molecular nanotechnology | 15:39 |
| fenn | you can do scp -p if you want to keep the file modification time correct | 15:39 |
| kanzure | their recently accepted paper “A minimal toolset for diamond mechanosynthesis” to be published in JCTN (Journal of Computational and Theoretical Nanoscience). The talk included a description of nine molecular tools and all reaction pathways involved in their synthesis from raw materials. This took the co-authors three years to finish, and they view it as the critical next step in developing molecular nanotechnology for atomica | 15:39 |
| kanzure | ah | 15:39 |
| kanzure | unfortunately it's because I pulled them down from the server | 15:39 |
| fenn | oh | 15:39 |
| kanzure | and have since overwrote them | 15:39 |
| kanzure | so. | 15:39 |
| kanzure | video of the talk - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=362294862840163667&hl=en | 15:40 |
| kanzure | but the transcript is better | 15:40 |
| * kanzure is away doing school work. so painful. | 15:41 | |
| fenn | i think if you add a file to your empty wiki and then do ikiwiki-makerepo it should commit something | 15:41 |
| fenn | you can clone my repo with git-clone http://fennetic.net/git/autogenix.git | 16:13 |
| kanzure | but where do I add the file? | 16:15 |
| fenn | /var/www/ikiwiki.skdb.wc/ | 16:16 |
| kanzure | ikiwiki --setup still fails because it's "not a git repository" | 16:17 |
| fenn | whats the command line you're using? | 16:17 |
| fenn | er, actually i guess i need to see the ikiwiki.setup file | 16:17 |
| kanzure | bash | 16:18 |
| kanzure | okay, so | 16:18 |
| kanzure | theoretically, if I delete ~/.git/, if I delete /var/www/skdb/ and /var/www/ikiwiki.skdb.wc/ and start from scratch, it should work, yes? | 16:19 |
| kanzure | # git-clone http://fennetic.net/git/autogenix.git ---> http transport not supported, rebuild Git with curl support | 16:20 |
| kanzure | wtf | 16:20 |
| fenn | wah | 16:20 |
| kanzure | this is ridiculous | 16:20 |
| kanzure | what's the point of etch? | 16:20 |
| fenn | ok, might as well upgrade to lenny | 16:21 |
| fenn | i cant see it being more painful | 16:21 |
| kanzure | hrm | 16:22 |
| kanzure | wget http://fennetic.net/git/autogenix.git --> index.html ... looks like an Index Of directory output | 16:22 |
| fenn | yep its just a symlink to ~/git | 16:22 |
| fenn | and i added gitweb.cgi | 16:22 |
| drazak | (git is hopeless, use svn) | 16:23 |
| fenn | harrumph | 16:23 |
| fenn | all progress depends on the unreasonable man | 16:24 |
| fenn | hot pink rice krispy treats.. i should be ashamed | 16:26 |
| fenn | do they ever explain how to generate/regenerate the ethynyl radical once you've plucked off a hydrogen? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/005150.html posted a comment | 16:40 |
| fenn | i dont get the $0 figure.. nothing's ever $0 | 16:44 |
| fenn | it might be $1 | 16:44 |
| fenn | or you might offload the cost somewhere else to the point where accounting costs more than the thing you're giving away | 16:44 |
| fenn | but never $0 | 16:45 |
| fenn | and anyway, like you said yourself 'its more a government petition than a research project' | 16:45 |
| fenn | so, the cost hasnt "already dropped to zero" | 16:47 |
| kanzure | the true cost is the bootstrapping | 16:48 |
| kanzure | once you have an organism that can produce the chemicals for you, just scoop 'em up, separate them, etc. etc. | 16:49 |
| fenn | "Expect the resulting kids to be smarter, healthier, with different personalities (how exactly?) and far better looking." what a fucking idiot journalist | 16:49 |
| fenn | these are almost entirely environmental factors | 16:50 |
| fenn | kanzure: the cost of growing that organism, scooping it up, separating it, etc etc is a real cost, it's not imaginary | 16:51 |
| fenn | if you're busy doing that you cant do something else at the same time | 16:51 |
| fenn | this is why we pay farmers to grow food, even though it just puts itself together | 16:51 |
| kanzure | sorry, I refuse to assume that reality depends on money | 16:53 |
| kanzure | http://www.whereismyeyeball.com/2d/starwars.html <-- steampunk starwars | 16:53 |
| fenn | yeah saw that | 16:53 |
| kanzure | Massive Solar-Orbiting Electro-Mechanical Analytic Engine, Mark 6 | 16:53 |
| kanzure | This enormous Imperial space station, the size of a small moon or asteroid, is in fact an immense analytic engine, a device capable of making millions of calculations every day. Inside is kilometer after kilometer of tubes and wheels, cranks and gears, all spinning and clacking, spitting out an endless series of numbers for the Imperials scientists to decipher. | 16:53 |
| kanzure | heh | 16:53 |
| kanzure | Although the Empire has half a dozen such devices in operation throughout the galaxy, this version is unique. While the others spend their days crunching statistical algorithms or calculating flight models, the Mark 6 station (under the personal watch of Lord Vader) is dedicated to experiments with Arcane Mathematics, the mathematical study of the Force. They hope to discover a unified Force theory, allowing them to fuse the power | 16:54 |
| fenn | http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/steamstarwars1.jpg | 16:54 |
| kanzure | I am very, very good at finding ways to not do homework | 16:59 |
| fenn | so, this earthquake in illinois was supposed to blow us all into the ocean, what went wrong? | 17:02 |
| kanzure | god didn't hate you enough? | 17:08 |
| fenn | i will work harder | 17:11 |
| kanzure | what utter bullshit | 17:28 |
| kanzure | http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=news_single.html?id%3D8373 | 17:28 |
| kanzure | "RepRap replicates itself" | 17:28 |
| fenn | i can knit a stocking | 17:31 |
| fenn | hm. that didnt make sense | 17:32 |
| fenn | i wonder if sex toys are illegal in new zealand | 17:34 |
| kanzure | why would sex toys be illegal? | 17:37 |
| fenn | apparently they are illegal in texas, kansas, louisiana, mississippi, alabama, georgia, and virginia? | 17:45 |
| fenn | oh, wait texas is now legal as of feb 14 2008 | 17:46 |
| fenn | its strange they call it an archaic law when it was passed in 2003 | 17:49 |
| kanzure | wtf | 17:49 |
| kanzure | Texas - illegalizing pleasure since 2003 | 17:49 |
| kanzure | link? | 17:50 |
| kanzure | we need a wiki for rss aggregation | 17:53 |
| kanzure | so that there is a persistent topic page tracking groups of stories | 17:53 |
| kanzure | there is very obviously 'spikes' in the news where there's this trickle-down effect due to research | 17:53 |
| kanzure | and so if we aggregate the spikes together, it would probably be slightly more useful | 17:53 |
| fenn | i think that was the idea behind pingback in blogger | 17:55 |
| fenn | who wants to read the same story 50 times though | 17:55 |
| fenn | http://tailrank.com/5081460/Court-strikes-down-Texas-ban-on-sex-toys | 17:56 |
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| Splicer | !help | 18:54 |
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| Splicer | krebs seen kanzure | 18:55 |
| krebs | kanzure was last seen 1 hour, 1 minute and 27 seconds ago, saying and so if we aggregate the spikes together, it would probably be slightly more useful | 18:55 |
| Splicer | kanzure: Can I use the same IM quote I asked about before on the biopunk board too? | 18:57 |
| kanzure | Hey. | 19:37 |
| kanzure | Splicer: yes. | 19:38 |
| Splicer | thanks | 19:38 |
| Splicer | i just got a visit that was a referal from your site btw... from holland | 19:38 |
| kanzure | woah | 19:39 |
| kanzure | http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/20/208231 | 19:39 |
| kanzure | awesome | 19:39 |
| Splicer | hehe.. you've been slashdotted | 19:41 |
| Splicer | congratulations | 19:42 |
| kanzure | http://slashdot.org/~the_kanzure <- I pwn at Slashdot. | 19:42 |
| Splicer | I'm a bit impressed | 19:49 |
| Splicer | your article is the last one yesterday on my feedreader(rss) | 19:51 |
| kanzure | hm? | 19:51 |
| Splicer | (my yesterday, 2am here now) | 19:57 |
| kanzure | ah | 19:57 |
| kanzure | One of the foreigners in the comments got a clue - `Stupid question time (I'm not from USA). How does it work that you go to a lab directly after high school? With shitloads of luck I may be studying postgrad in the US.` | 20:08 |
| Splicer | To tell you he truth, that slipped past me too. You mean you have access to a lab where you can run your own projects? | 20:25 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:25 |
| kanzure | :) | 20:25 |
| Splicer | that's very cool ... hmm.. i wonder if say students of medical biology have that here... probably not, I don´t know | 20:27 |
| Splicer | There should be some sort of student body who have access to labtime probably... it's the way it works with university metal-shops and used to be with computers | 20:31 |
| Splicer | "Keep an open mind as to how you'll be put to use. Lab work is not always glamorous." | 20:36 |
| Splicer | really? | 20:36 |
| kanzure | haha | 20:41 |
| kanzure | http://powerofsmall.org/ | 20:43 |
| Splicer | what's nanotech got to do with any of that? | 20:57 |
| kanzure | hm? | 20:57 |
| Splicer | you were ironic? | 20:58 |
| kanzure | what? | 20:58 |
| Splicer | i was watching the nanotech clip... nanotech is gonna help with everything from terrorists to longevity | 20:59 |
| Splicer | it was the buzzword of the day 10 years ago i think | 21:00 |
| kanzure | heh | 21:03 |
| Splicer | The nutty japanese transhumanist guy is called Michio Kaku | 21:05 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:05 |
| kanzure | I am not sure how much he knows. | 21:06 |
| Splicer | well, he talks a lot | 21:06 |
| Splicer | i looked at the lifeboat foundation site today.... | 21:07 |
| kanzure | http://lifeboat.com/ talked with me before I released the biohacking kit | 21:08 |
| kanzure | basically they are a joke | 21:08 |
| kanzure | they are *not* organized | 21:08 |
| kanzure | The head of Lifeboat told me "go ahead and release it, you're just a high schooler" and I consequently got lots of angry emails from people at Lifeboat telling me I shouldn't have released it so soon, and that they needed more time | 21:09 |
| Splicer | It looks like a bunch of geeks having opinions | 21:09 |
| Splicer | I can´t see the science in their work... it just looks nutty to me | 21:10 |
| kanzure | science in what work? | 21:10 |
| kanzure | they are there to prevent bad things from happening | 21:10 |
| kanzure | they don't do science | 21:11 |
| kanzure | I mean, some of them are researchers | 21:11 |
| kanzure | but Lifeboat itself is not research | 21:11 |
| Splicer | speaking of nano... is nanoshield science? | 21:11 |
| kanzure | what? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | I suppose so, but what they have is a team of investigators really | 21:12 |
| kanzure | they are not directly doing it as far as I can tell | 21:12 |
| kanzure | the idea of making a shield so that no molecular nanotech can get through it? sure, that's science | 21:12 |
| Splicer | they have a team of cracpots | 21:12 |
| kanzure | what are you talking about? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | we can already do some sorts of nanotech shields, like how we do UHVs and so on | 21:12 |
| kanzure | many labs have those | 21:12 |
| kanzure | the good ones can get down to 1E-13, which is freaking awesome | 21:13 |
| kanzure | but then the difference is getting it *cheap* | 21:13 |
| Splicer | not sure what you mean with nanotech shield | 21:20 |
| kanzure | they are worried about grey goo | 21:20 |
| Splicer | yeah, but not sure what you meant | 21:21 |
| kanzure | I dunno, maybe they want a barrier to protect from the goos | 21:21 |
| Splicer | [03:12] <kanzure> we can already do some sorts of nanotech shields, like how we do UHVs and so on | 21:22 |
| kanzure | oh, | 21:23 |
| kanzure | it's how we keep things very cold | 21:23 |
| kanzure | otherwise energy and matter would contaminate the ultracold environments | 21:23 |
| kanzure | UHV = ultrahigh vacuum | 21:24 |
| Splicer | ah | 21:24 |
| Splicer | Good thing the lifeboaters are keeping watch | 21:25 |
| Splicer | I have a feeling they don´t have a sence of humor about it | 21:25 |
| Splicer | funny thing is.. there is always something to be terrified of | 21:27 |
| Splicer | http://www.nano.gov/ | 21:30 |
| Splicer | time to sleep... cu | 21:34 |
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| kanzure | fenn: apt is apparently unmaintained | 22:35 |
| kanzure | I think this is a good opportunity, | 22:35 |
| kanzure | I offered to Daniel Burrows that I can set up a website and do some (informal) documentation and so on | 22:36 |
| kanzure | since basically we're doing a similar project that encompasses it | 22:36 |
| fenn | 4/20: a depressing reminder of the lack of american culture | 22:48 |
| fenn | reading the slashdot article, this is totally false as far as academic labs at least: "You will be expected to put in extra effort, and perhaps extra time above what is supposedly expected, but will be looked down upon, and possibly resented, if you give too much." | 23:31 |
| fenn | that whole comment is crap actually | 23:32 |
| kanzure | yes, it's interesting to see the mixed signals | 23:34 |
| fenn | oh yeah, lab notebook.. everything of importance must be written down by hand | 23:44 |
| fenn | somehow that guarantees that you didnt just make it up | 23:44 |
| kanzure | heh | 23:48 |
| kanzure | hard copies are always good | 23:48 |
| kanzure | as long as they are not the only ones | 23:48 |
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