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| kanzure | http://www.betterhumans.com/blogs/kanzure/default.aspx <-- because James Clement asked me to. | 00:09 |
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| kanzure | I miss them already. | 00:44 |
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| fenn | i think its quite intersting that we get to see this from both sides: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Baghdad_DHL_attempted_shootdown_incident http://www.iasa-intl.com/folders/belfast/241103/index.html | 07:43 |
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| fenn | before long we'll have blog wars between the terrorists and the military contractors | 07:43 |
| fenn | 'stfu' 'no U STFU' | 07:44 |
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| fenn | this whole thing is really quite pitiful, these people need our help more than any: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 | 08:13 |
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| kanzure | http://blog.diybio.org/ has a summary of the diybio event. | 08:51 |
| fenn | " a proposal is currently under review that would make possession of environmental sensing devices a potential criminal offense." what was the context this was ripped out of? | 09:07 |
| kanzure | no idea, I haven't seen that yet | 09:11 |
| kanzure | I might do a reply, asking for sources/links. | 09:11 |
| kanzure | I was just about to send the diybio group some notes on the do-it-yourself neurochemical fabricator. | 09:12 |
| kanzure | (just a bunch of cells producing neurotransmitters, nothing special) | 09:12 |
| fenn | they link here http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/09/26/art-or-bioterrorism-who-cares/ | 09:15 |
| fenn | i remember seeing this guy's demo, seemed to be more about educating people what genetic engineering really is | 09:16 |
| fenn | it was a traveling museum exhibit where you go and 'make a transgenic lifeform' or something like that | 09:16 |
| kanzure | oh, biobus.org | 09:30 |
| kanzure | Don't know what to do next with the browserhacks. | 09:34 |
| kanzure | I'm also starting to see that the trick is cholinergic enhancement, GABAergic "response rules", and enhanced activity in the medial visual cortex re: [[Sustained attention]]. | 09:35 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiprofessional | 11:43 |
| kanzure | again, another case where skdb would be useful | 12:01 |
| kanzure | Everybody's moving too fast and nobody seems to care about automation. Everybody appears to *like* to repeat all of the same damn steps in setting up a lab, everybody seems to *like* not being able to do stuff. | 12:02 |
| kanzure | what the hell is wrong with people | 12:02 |
| kanzure | http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=28005 | 12:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: I was clicking around reading some blogs and found that I was spending too much time eyeing Congress. It's very seductive -- it's as if I *want* to contact a political representative, but at the same time I know that they don't really care. :) | 12:51 |
| kanzure | That took a while out of my day. Ugh. | 14:41 |
| kanzure | Anyway, I need some resources on gene vectors and retroviruses or adenoviruses for targetted delivery. Particularly anything about adult human fibroblast extraction protocols and ways to reprogram retrovirus. | 14:42 |
| * nsh didn't know adenoviruses had been exploited for transgenic purposes | 17:26 | |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/chats/2008-05-28--diy_bioreactors--%23biology.html <-- diy bioreachtors, cloning, expression vectors, plasmids, etc. | 17:34 |
| nsh | hrm | 17:38 |
| nsh | amorphous vNM, eh | 17:41 |
| nsh | mmm | 17:42 |
| nsh | hrmmm | 17:43 |
| nsh | i wonder if you could fossilise plasmids with the e. coli chromosome and resurrect then later | 17:44 |
| nsh | *within | 17:44 |
| kanzure | You can freeze them. | 17:44 |
| nsh | that way you don't have to maintain selection pressure to avoid deevolution | 17:45 |
| nsh | overheady | 17:45 |
| nsh | i was thinking more like introns | 17:45 |
| kanzure | You could just preserve the DNA as bits and bytes, and just build the machinery to produce the DNA strands again. The trick is preserving an entire organism, however. That's where the synthetic/artificial cell projects start mushrooming. | 17:46 |
| * nsh is still dubious that about whether (digital string code) sequence contains all the characteristics of (physical) nucleotide sequence | 17:48 | |
| kanzure | Let's experiment. ;-) | 17:49 |
| nsh | sure it'd be nice if was like letters in an alphabet, so nice, so convenient, so anthropic, that i wouldn't be at all surprised if it isn't | 17:49 |
| nsh | aye | 17:49 |
| nsh | "reality is what you can get away with" | 17:49 |
| kanzure | booty? | 17:49 |
| kanzure | I mean, loot? | 17:49 |
| nsh | hm | 17:51 |
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| nsh- | my last line? | 17:56 |
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| kanzure | nsh: Last line was 'hm'. | 18:00 |
| kanzure | Also, dnainternet? | 18:00 |
| nsh | DNA: finnish telecoms provider | 18:02 |
| nsh | + Jungian synchronicity | 18:02 |
| nsh | [00:52:18] <nsh> i meant in the sense of "what's possible" | 18:02 |
| nsh | [00:52:36] <nsh> analogy of a game and nature as the referee | 18:02 |
| nsh | [00:52:53] <nsh> you don't know the rules exactly, so you keep trying things to narrow them down | 18:02 |
| nsh | [00:53:04] <nsh> science is the evaporation of the impossible | 18:02 |
| nsh | [00:53:54] <nsh> loot is a bonus :-) | 18:02 |
| nsh | have you seen http://partsregistry.org/Main_Page ? | 18:04 |
| kanzure | nsh: Yes. | 21:58 |
| kanzure | I have also been talking with Drew Endy about integrating biobricks.org & partsregistry.org & igem.org into skdb. | 21:58 |
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