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| kanzure | fenn: I still dislike object-orientation. "You have to realize the truth? The truth? That there is no spoon." That's not a proper answer .. what's the alternative to calling 'it' a spoon? | 01:42 |
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| fenn | bleh? i dont know what you're talking about. what's the context? | 01:43 |
| kanzure | design compiler | 01:43 |
| kanzure | compiling processes together to make objects, mehh | 01:43 |
| kanzure | when in the first place it was the processes that we cared about | 01:44 |
| fenn | um, fitness function describing the requirements of a spoon? | 01:44 |
| kanzure | energy/matter transformation (chem -> mechanical junctions, or various ratchet functionality, etc.) | 01:44 |
| kanzure | oh | 01:44 |
| kanzure | is that the equiv? | 01:44 |
| kanzure | I mean, I've considered it | 01:44 |
| kanzure | but it sounds wrong? Because you still have to 'evolve the object', no? | 01:44 |
| kanzure | I guess it's a general region in parameter space | 01:44 |
| fenn | no, you can maktop-down design a spoon and then it "becomes" a spoon because it satisfies the fitness function | 01:44 |
| fenn | s/maktop/top/ | 01:45 |
| kanzure | and when it comes down to the physical manufacturing? | 01:45 |
| fenn | if your test case fails, the function is probably worng | 01:45 |
| fenn | i guess that's just test driven development | 01:45 |
| kanzure | It looks like some papers that I was reading last night had realtime 'structure data => actual motor changes' | 01:45 |
| kanzure | hrm, but what about the reconfigurability of the machinery aspect | 01:46 |
| kanzure | (dynamic 'static physical ISA' -- or dynamical runtime realtime physical ISA) | 01:46 |
| fenn | different layer.. that's the cam/inventory layer | 01:46 |
| fenn | however, the machinery can be represented as a set of functions and interfaces | 01:46 |
| fenn | the same functions that you use in the unit tests/fitness functions | 01:47 |
| kanzure | what I wanted to do was sit down and write out the methodology to 'make a spoon', and I couldn't | 01:47 |
| kanzure | I figured I'd just use some processes for molding or something | 01:47 |
| fenn | there are many ways to make a spoon | 01:47 |
| kanzure | I just don't like objects, but it's hard since our grammars are object-oriented | 01:47 |
| kanzure | yep | 01:48 |
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| kanzure | Ugh. | 13:42 |
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