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| willPow3r | a friend of mine is going to that | 01:05 |
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| willPow3r | to see aubrey speak | 01:05 |
| kanzure | Aubrey has been an interesting guy, but he and I seem to disagree on implementation issues. | 01:35 |
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| kanzure | Isn't it a common tactic in mathematics and sometimes science that when it becomes too burdensome to prove something, that you then prove its opposite? | 02:14 |
| kanzure | http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q="theory+of+attention" | 02:15 |
| kanzure | http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q="theory+of+distraction" | 02:15 |
| kanzure | Huh. | 02:15 |
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| kanzure | Those Russians are up to something. | 09:49 |
| nsh | what this time? | 09:51 |
| kanzure | same thing | 09:59 |
| kanzure | http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/12/14/revisiting-ruby-on-rails-revisited.html?page=2 ruby script\generate scaffold recipe recipe | 09:59 |
| kanzure | aha | 09:59 |
| kanzure | so this is what's up with ruby | 10:00 |
| kanzure | I always imagined writing a script like this | 10:00 |
| kanzure | so that I can just construct tables and then generate the 'scaffold' | 10:00 |
| kanzure | guess somebody got around to actually doing it | 10:00 |
| kanzure | Hey, so can anybody confirm the general bullshitness of this ? Apparently KDE 3.5 can't possibly use two virtual desktops at the same time. So when I ALT+TAB on one screen, it ALT+TABs on all screens. This sounds like a 'bug' that many would want to get rid of. | 10:03 |
| nsh | does seem a bit stupid | 10:04 |
| kanzure | so when I maximize it maximizes across monitors | 10:06 |
| kanzure | but I have to admit that this is a great improvement anyway | 10:06 |
| kanzure | just with two monitors :-) | 10:06 |
| * nsh takes your word for it | 10:07 | |
| kanzure | even a junky 15" is better than nothing at all | 10:08 |
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| mib_psal02 | greetings from werk. | 14:45 |
| mib_psal02 | <wrldpc | 14:45 |
| fenn_ | grr what's with libraries making it hard to access information | 14:51 |
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| mib_psal02 | who knows, man. what's with knowledge embargo in general? | 15:08 |
| mib_psal02 | do you accept on some level that "the universe" only gives you what you're capable of parsing?? | 15:21 |
| mib_psal02 | what about the logos? | 15:21 |
| mib_psal02 | wimax | 15:21 |
| mib_psal02 | heh | 15:21 |
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| h2i | w00t, making progress | 15:59 |
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| ybit | down from 321 website tabs to 77 :) | 15:59 |
| ybit | the news feed isn't looking so good though 1k+ o.O | 16:00 |
| ybit | and i've got to read everything that took place in IRC | 16:01 |
| * ybit needs another brain | 16:01 | |
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| kanzure | ybit: I need another one too. | 16:39 |
| mib_psal02 | Okay I need a task. | 16:56 |
| mib_psal02 | Human brain reporting for duty. | 16:56 |
| mib_psal02 | eh | 17:11 |
| mib_psal02 | heh | 17:11 |
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| kanzure | Who is mib? | 18:19 |
| fenn | wrldpc> | 18:21 |
| fenn | mib = mibbit.com autogenerated nick | 18:21 |
| wrldpc | heh | 18:35 |
| wrldpc | was at work. | 18:35 |
| wrldpc | I want something to do. | 18:35 |
| wrldpc | Waht can I do to help? | 18:35 |
| ybit | kanzure: don't forget boston university ..http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Undergaduate_neuroscience | 18:41 |
| kanzure | go add it | 18:41 |
| ybit | meh | 18:41 |
| ybit | :P | 18:41 |
| kanzure | you lazy ass | 18:41 |
| kanzure | although I can't blame you, I hate clicking too | 18:41 |
| ybit | hey! i corrected a mispelling just a few mins ago | 18:41 |
| kanzure | neat :) | 18:41 |
| ybit | i'm not too lazy | 18:41 |
| * kanzure lugged two monitors from down south today | 18:42 | |
| kanzure | two more coming tomorrow | 18:42 |
| kanzure | these things are beasts | 18:42 |
| kanzure | the hdd storage space arrived via FedEx today | 18:42 |
| ybit | what are your plans for the monitors? i have an extra monitor, but i don't use it | 18:43 |
| kanzure | supposedly tomorrow I will be getting my case, power supply, thingamajigs, and thingamabobs. | 18:43 |
| kanzure | ybit: http://heybryan.org/shots/inspiration/ except on crack | 18:43 |
| fenn | adderall | 18:43 |
| kanzure | except on adderall | 18:43 |
| kanzure | thank you | 18:43 |
| kanzure | glad someone is listening? | 18:44 |
| ybit | was looking at my bookmarks... | 18:45 |
| kanzure | I was joking. | 18:45 |
| ybit | heh, gl with that setup :P | 18:46 |
| kanzure | the biggest difficulty is maximizing table height, my height, the chair's height, and table depth for the minimal space in the dorm | 18:46 |
| kanzure | given the extreme size of the monitors | 18:46 |
| ybit | i bet caltech and GIT have undergrad programs | 18:47 |
| kanzure | Georgia? Hell yes. | 18:47 |
| kanzure | That's one of the better schools for neuroengineering. | 18:48 |
| kanzure | Wait, I'm thinking Georgiatech. Is that GIT? | 18:48 |
| ybit | yep | 18:48 |
| fenn | that's because it's the heart of the illuminati conspiracy | 18:48 |
| ybit | i found that with multiple monitors i was just distracted | 18:48 |
| fenn | i think multiple monitors would be very useful for doing electronics layout | 18:49 |
| kanzure | haha, you just try doing anything significant with ALT+TAB and switching between sheets of virtual paper | 18:49 |
| ybit | with my one small lappy monitor, i can easily focus on one task at a time | 18:49 |
| kanzure | ybit: do you program? | 18:49 |
| kanzure | I mean, code? | 18:49 |
| ybit | little | 18:49 |
| kanzure | yeah ... | 18:49 |
| kanzure | just call me the distraction master | 18:49 |
| fenn | hmm for code all you need is a vim session and browser with api reference... | 18:49 |
| ybit | VIM! w00t | 18:50 |
| ybit | :) | 18:50 |
| kanzure | I'd argue that it would be useful to have multiple pages of documentation up at the same time | 18:50 |
| kanzure | or multiple scripts that you're hacking at (I don't know) | 18:50 |
| kanzure | for instance, right now I'd definitely move my email and feed reader over to another monitor | 18:51 |
| kanzure | my bookmarks are currently displayed on the second monitor | 18:51 |
| kanzure | and that's why I've been pasting more links recently | 18:51 |
| kanzure | at least, links that aren't related to the server downstairs | 18:51 |
| fenn | and then tape over that monitor with aluminum foil so that no light can seep through | 18:51 |
| kanzure | hah | 18:51 |
| kanzure | :) | 18:51 |
| fenn | (email and feeds that is) | 18:52 |
| ybit | well, gtg, there's the only dork meeting in town happening tonight and i've got to be there | 18:52 |
| kanzure | dorkman away! | 18:52 |
| fenn | dork dork dork | 18:52 |
| ybit | que the music! | 18:52 |
| ybit | later | 18:52 |
| fenn | this looks pretty neat http://www.opencircuits.com/Linuxstamp | 18:53 |
| kanzure | so, fenn, I was hoping to install squid-proxy and play around with openmosix on one of the near-dead boxes that I have laying around (would need to get a 2.4 kernel somehow) | 18:53 |
| kanzure | the 'archive everything I view on the net' thing | 18:53 |
| kanzure | which would equate to also automatically bookmarking it too | 18:53 |
| kanzure | and then just implement some key commands to delete a page that I don't like/need, or a command to just bookmark, etc | 18:54 |
| kanzure | with openmosix I'm hoping to shift some of the more active procs off of my main boxen to the other boxen | 18:54 |
| fenn | parallel pdf-rendering cluster | 18:55 |
| fenn | why are pdf's so slow to begin with is the real question | 18:55 |
| fenn | anyway, sounds like a good plan. still gotta sort/tag bookmarks or end up with a mess | 18:56 |
| kanzure | because adobe cuts herself | 18:56 |
| fenn | not me, i run ghostscript | 18:56 |
| kanzure | what? | 18:56 |
| fenn | kpdf | 18:56 |
| kanzure | I thought Adobe did the PDF standard ? | 18:57 |
| fenn | hmm. i still dont get it | 18:57 |
| kanzure | why would the programmers at adobe be so cruel | 18:57 |
| kanzure | don't they use this software for themselves? | 18:57 |
| fenn | because they are mathematically inclined? | 18:58 |
| kanzure | huh? | 18:58 |
| kanzure | I was implying that they are doing self-injurious behavior | 18:58 |
| fenn | postscript was a text layout software originally, so performance wasn't really an issue | 18:58 |
| fenn | now it's turned into a defacto exchange standard | 18:58 |
| kanzure | if I ever run a journal, I'll demand no PDFs. Instead, you're submitting me a tar or zip with your raw data and source code. | 18:59 |
| fenn | but surely there are faster ways to render postscript at reduced quality (i.e. just draw the text with an X font instead of fancy scaling and antialiasing) | 18:59 |
| kanzure | hm | 18:59 |
| fenn | kanzure: many scientific papers are submitted as LaTeX but then they are distributed as pdf | 18:59 |
| kanzure | I'm going to cry if the quadcore doesn't improve rendering performance | 18:59 |
| fenn | lol good luck | 19:00 |
| fenn | the world is too stupid to use parallel processing | 19:00 |
| kanzure | ooh, four pages at once | 19:00 |
| kanzure | (four monitors) | 19:00 |
| kanzure | actually it's more like six monitors | 19:00 |
| kanzure | I have some hidden in my closet and on the other side of the bed that the parental unit doesn't know about (or remember) | 19:00 |
| fenn | and a spinning mirror to multiplex pages in front of you at 50Hz? | 19:00 |
| kanzure | well, if it improves rendering ... | 19:01 |
| kanzure | wait | 19:01 |
| kanzure | did I interpret you correctly? | 19:01 |
| fenn | $2k should be able to buy a lot of monitors | 19:01 |
| kanzure | theoretically | 19:01 |
| kanzure | but I just got ripped off today | 19:02 |
| kanzure | spent $25/ea | 19:02 |
| kanzure | for 21" monitors | 19:02 |
| fenn | uff they're CRT's eh? | 19:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:02 |
| kanzure | I don't need large stuff, I'd be ok with 17" too, but whatever | 19:02 |
| kanzure | as for the tagging problem | 19:03 |
| kanzure | or bookmarking problem | 19:03 |
| kanzure | I'm clueless. | 19:03 |
| kanzure | I sometimes find awesome information on my hard drives | 19:03 |
| kanzure | stuff that I haven't seen in years | 19:03 |
| kanzure | but probably should have, etc. | 19:04 |
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| kanzure | I definitely need to keep an overall map of everything I have | 19:04 |
| fenn | you need something like supermemo that watches what you're interested in and then spits possibly interesting nostalgia at you | 19:04 |
| kanzure | what the hell defines possibily :-/ | 19:04 |
| kanzure | *possibly | 19:04 |
| fenn | well that's where it gets interesting.. :) | 19:04 |
| kanzure | so, | 19:05 |
| fenn | you could do some neural net weighting that correlates what web pages you're looking at with what's in cache | 19:05 |
| kanzure | what sort of correlation importance would be needed | 19:05 |
| kanzure | I mean, 20% hit ratio? | 19:05 |
| kanzure | 50% would be nice, but I suspect unlikely | 19:05 |
| kanzure | and it would probably get lower the more content I accumulate | 19:05 |
| kanzure | hm | 19:05 |
| kanzure | I definitely like the idea of this though | 19:06 |
| fenn | threshold depends on how busy you are, start with the highest score and keep going until you get sick of it | 19:06 |
| kanzure | I could have one monitor that just pops up random shit | 19:06 |
| fenn | right | 19:06 |
| kanzure | and then closes out of it after a certain amount of time | 19:06 |
| kanzure | with a very explicit log | 19:06 |
| fenn | and a back button | 19:06 |
| kanzure | in case I have one of those "what the hell was that from five seconds ago" | 19:06 |
| kanzure | sure, but with the caveat that there should be no human interaction to let it go do its stuff | 19:06 |
| kanzure | enki-2 has something like this | 19:06 |
| fenn | oh ya? | 19:06 |
| kanzure | but he has it pop up text on his screen randomly | 19:06 |
| kanzure | 'xsublim' | 19:07 |
| kanzure | subliminal messages | 19:07 |
| kanzure | I tried it out, wasn't impressed | 19:07 |
| fenn | i thuoght that was for hypnotizing/seducing the roomates | 19:07 |
| kanzure | orly | 19:07 |
| fenn | dont quote me on that, it might have been me misunderstanding | 19:07 |
| kanzure | no, supposedly he does it to prep his ol' filters | 19:07 |
| kanzure | I don't know if it works | 19:07 |
| kanzure | he's claiming that it makes him more receptive to new ideas that are related to the content that has been flashing in front of him | 19:08 |
| fenn | yeah, i can see how that might work | 19:08 |
| kanzure | the reason why I doubt its functionality is because enki-2 might be enki-2 even without it | 19:08 |
| fenn | it might also give you a nervous tick | 19:09 |
| kanzure | ? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | if not a seizure? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | i'm kind of twiddling my thumbs and toes waiting for tomorrow's package, not much else to do in the mean time me thinks | 19:09 |
| fenn | probably not a seizure | 19:10 |
| kanzure | I did find something interesting earlier today on the polymerization of GI-POFs | 19:10 |
| fenn | unless you really muck with the settings (18Hz redraw rate) | 19:10 |
| kanzure | POFs = polymer optical fiber | 19:10 |
| kanzure | GI = graded index | 19:10 |
| kanzure | there's also PF or psomething fluorinated polymer optical fibers | 19:10 |
| kanzure | anyway, | 19:10 |
| fenn | i was not really reading about optical fiber tethers for navy submarines today | 19:10 |
| kanzure | it turns out that someone figured out how to make plastic internet connections with a centrifuge | 19:11 |
| kanzure | the protocol was something like 7 hours at 3k rpm at 90 deg C. | 19:11 |
| fenn | duh.. what's a plastic internet connection? | 19:11 |
| kanzure | it's plastic | 19:11 |
| kanzure | and it's a wire | 19:11 |
| kanzure | well, not a wire | 19:11 |
| kanzure | think of an glasseous optical cable, and now suddenly it's plastic :-) | 19:11 |
| kanzure | reliably does 0.1 to 1 km without signal degradation | 19:12 |
| fenn | yes i know what fiberoptics are.. but what's it got to do with centrifuges | 19:12 |
| kanzure | and can do upwards 16 Gbit/sec from what I've been reading | 19:12 |
| kanzure | the method of making the plastic | 19:12 |
| kanzure | you mix chemicals together | 19:12 |
| kanzure | and you let it polymerize. | 19:13 |
| fenn | i'm picturing spinning up a big cylinder of plastic so the heavy stuff falls to the surface of the cylinder | 19:13 |
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| fenn | and then melting/stretching it out | 19:13 |
| kanzure | well, you have cylinders or straws inside | 19:13 |
| kanzure | which is supposedly the tubing that you'd be using in the end anyway | 19:14 |
| fenn | more wearable/shareable computers http://advogato.org/article/964.html | 19:49 |
| kanzure | advogato.org hosted the debtorrent essay stuff | 19:59 |
| kanzure | that I link to in http://heybryan.org/exp.html | 19:59 |
| kanzure | "The goal is simple: *actually* provide people with a means to articulate their thoughts, needs and desires, and to be able to communicate those thoughts needs and desires to whoever can fulfil them. world-wide." | 20:00 |
| kanzure | geeze | 20:00 |
| kanzure | it's as if | 20:00 |
| kanzure | dunno, like we actually wanted to get something done for once | 20:00 |
| fenn | yeah a lot of that article sounds familiar | 20:03 |
| kanzure | " hardware. "well-understood" does not necessarily mean "well-liked". For example, I heard somewhere that google told people that it uses brute-force search instead of database indexing (which didn't go down too well on slashdot)." | 20:03 |
| kanzure | huh | 20:03 |
| kanzure | I thought they were using pigeons :) | 20:03 |
| fenn | no, that's blug (the other blug) | 20:04 |
| kanzure | " | 20:04 |
| kanzure | The key to understanding "Knowledge" is in the Vedic scriptures, which are *not* religious texts: they are an expansion of quantum mechanics functions. Many readers will have difficulty accepting this simple statement. The only thing that I can say to you is: it's taken me my entire life so far to understand enough to be able to state what I have, and it's only in the recent few weeks that I've begun to fully comprehend the signif | 20:04 |
| kanzure | while I can grok the Vedic | 20:04 |
| kanzure | I don't know why he has to say quantum mechanics :) | 20:04 |
| fenn | http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ | 20:04 |
| fenn | http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/vegard_bilder/tn/08karlmag_pigeon_testpacket.jpg.html | 20:05 |
| kanzure | http://lkcl.net/ | 20:06 |
| fenn | never underestimate the bandwidth of a comet loaded with nanites, hurtling across the galaxy | 20:06 |
| kanzure | yes, but he could have just as easily said cosmology | 20:07 |
| kanzure | or mathematics | 20:08 |
| kanzure | or information science | 20:08 |
| kanzure | etc. | 20:08 |
| fenn | eh sorry i was off on a pigeon tangent | 20:08 |
| fenn | he should have left the vedic stuff out, it's too out-there | 20:08 |
| fenn | i think i hate pyjamas already | 20:09 |
| kanzure | heh | 20:18 |
| kanzure | actually, the Vedas might represent a good bunch of people | 20:18 |
| kanzure | now, whether or not their documentation is good | 20:18 |
| kanzure | is a valid question | 20:18 |
| kanzure | apparently Zindell is very Vedic. | 20:19 |
| kanzure | Elder Eddas (in Neverness) ==> the Vedas. | 20:19 |
| kanzure | heh, randomly walking aruond the house => randomly available, oversized monitors | 20:23 |
| fenn | distributed bug tracker | 20:24 |
| fenn | http://github.com/jwiegley/git-issues/tree/master | 20:24 |
| kanzure | huh | 20:25 |
| kanzure | cool | 20:25 |
| kanzure | hm | 21:40 |
| kanzure | turns out that there's some common circuits in the brain for attention and eye movement | 21:41 |
| kanzure | which makes sense | 21:41 |
| kanzure | consider the difference between GUI and shell | 21:41 |
| kanzure | with a shell you don't normally watch every single thing on the screen, you kind of just sit there and know where to look | 21:41 |
| kanzure | whereas with a GUI you, in general, have to move your eyes frequently in peculiar wys | 21:41 |
| kanzure | *ways | 21:41 |
| kanzure | "Anybody can make a biological weapon." - Eric Toner, FBI/CDC/CIA agent on bioterrorism. | 22:38 |
| kanzure | ok, we have the go ahead | 22:38 |
| kanzure | :-p | 22:38 |
| kanzure | I kid. | 22:38 |
| kanzure | http://panvent.blogspot.com/2008/05/unused-dr-eric-toner-blog-post.html | 22:39 |
| kanzure | oh shit | 22:39 |
| kanzure | Eric seems to be working on a pandemic ventilator project | 22:39 |
| kanzure | ' Handbook of Mathematical Cognition' | 22:40 |
| fenn | that's cool, i guess they aren't all bad | 22:50 |
| fenn | the real problem is that we have near-zero defense against any kind of virus | 22:51 |
| fenn | operating hospitals on "just in time" supply lines seems like a generally bad idea though | 22:54 |
| fenn | on a related note, i acquired an oxygen generator today | 22:56 |
| fenn | useful for various welding and glassworking things | 22:56 |
| fenn | no idea how to test it though | 22:56 |
| fenn | ugh PLC and labview :P | 23:04 |
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