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| * fenn is wondering why 240 pin memory costs 1/4 the price of 184 pin memory | 04:25 | |
| God_Helmet | i am being mean | 04:26 |
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| God_Helmet | :/ | 04:26 |
| God_Helmet | i swear its just the Rum speaking | 04:26 |
| God_Helmet | :D | 04:26 |
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| kanzure | argh, somebody needs to point out the technical incompetence of wta | 10:00 |
| kanzure | how can I best do this? | 10:01 |
| kanzure | "they are paying people for web work" ? | 10:01 |
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| Democritus | http://www.wholesomewear.com/page-3.html | 10:18 |
| Democritus | nope christians are NOT like muslims at all! | 10:18 |
| fenn | hey how come nothing for guys, that's sexist! | 10:20 |
| Democritus | they get speedos | 10:20 |
| Democritus | going to start a store reselling those- hidden in each "burka" swimwear piece will be a brazilian bikini | 10:21 |
| nsh | w/wax? | 10:24 |
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| Democritus | lol | 10:24 |
| Democritus | had not thought of that- | 10:24 |
| Democritus | well the girls look young, shouldnt be an issue | 10:25 |
| * nsh smiles a grimacey smile | 10:25 | |
| Democritus | "sitting on a park bench. eying little girls with bad intent" | 10:25 |
| fenn | they all have bad intent if you ask me | 10:25 |
| Democritus | i always wondered how jethro tull got away with that line | 10:25 |
| * nsh curses MIT for using realmedia for opencourseware | 10:26 | |
| Democritus | ack | 10:26 |
| Democritus | come on MIT | 10:26 |
| nsh | it is a bit of a joke really | 10:27 |
| nsh | these guys are supposed to have a small mountain of clue | 10:27 |
| Democritus | my son wants to go there- but mostly because he heard about the guys doing the vegas-card thing | 10:27 |
| nsh | i guess they buried it under a larger mountain of business-idiocy | 10:27 |
| * nsh smiles | 10:27 | |
| nsh | well, was quite an inspirational story | 10:27 |
| nsh | :-) | 10:28 |
| * nsh tries using online media conversion | 10:28 | |
| fenn | you can't use mplayer? | 10:28 |
| Democritus | mplayer does do real | 10:29 |
| * nsh is between unices :-/ | 10:29 | |
| fenn | caught between a rock and a warm fuzzy place | 10:30 |
| nsh | caught between a broken external hdd and a lot of data | 10:30 |
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| fenn | well it seems to work ok after enough cycles of wget/find the url | 10:42 |
| Democritus | cool | 10:44 |
| Democritus | opencourseware - any good subjects on there? | 10:44 |
| Democritus | fuck i have to fly to boston next week | 10:49 |
| Democritus | i wonder if they will let me | 10:49 |
| Democritus | bet i am on a no-fly list | 10:49 |
| Democritus | well it wouldnt surprise me anyway | 10:49 |
| Democritus | you want me goto MIT and tell them their opencourseware is dumb? | 10:50 |
| fenn | opencourseware is about as bad as sitting through a bunch of university classes.. go figure | 11:16 |
| Democritus | so who are you guys | 13:30 |
| Democritus | or is the answer "oh sure, like we are going to tell you!" | 13:31 |
| Democritus | :D | 13:31 |
| fenn | hrm. transhumanism.se redirects to biopunk.org | 13:43 |
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| fenn | Democritus: who are you? | 13:44 |
| Democritus | good question | 13:45 |
| Democritus | middle aged- sys admin - kid | 13:46 |
| Democritus | meaning i am one- i also have one | 13:46 |
| Democritus | :D | 13:46 |
| fenn | very well.. if that's how you define yourself, then i'm 26, unemployed, old man | 13:48 |
| Democritus | its not | 13:50 |
| Democritus | i think you knew that already | 13:50 |
| Democritus | sometimes the superficial stuff can tell a little anyway | 13:50 |
| fenn | i ended up here because of my obsession with technological autonomy | 13:53 |
| fenn | and i share the same value system apparently | 13:53 |
| fenn | i wonder where it came from - certainly nobody i know in meatspace inoculated me | 13:55 |
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| fenn | IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE | 13:57 |
| kanzure | maybe I'm not cut out for lab work | 14:01 |
| * fenn is not surprised to hear that | 14:01 | |
| kanzure | when I get into a lab, I need to install a system: here's the diagram for the tube container thinger, here's the protocol for this and that, precisely, and here's where all of the supplies are, and here's a perhaps crappy map of what's going on | 14:01 |
| fenn | dont worry son, in another four or five years you might have even published a paper | 14:02 |
| kanzure | but evidently this isn't going to happen | 14:02 |
| kanzure | not surprised? | 14:02 |
| fenn | pretty sure that's how it always feels | 14:02 |
| kanzure | but then how is it that the 'team mates' are able to get things done? | 14:03 |
| kanzure | they don't even have it really written out anywhere | 14:03 |
| kanzure | and even though I'm supposed to be running some of the gels, they just do it for me, which is great, except the PI notices that I'm not doing any work | 14:03 |
| kanzure | so when he talked to me about it today I mentioned this | 14:03 |
| kanzure | and it came out sounding like I blame them | 14:03 |
| kanzure | which isn't it at all | 14:03 |
| * kanzure groans and gets back to his opengl work | 14:04 | |
| kanzure | so when I was moving my mother came over to the house and started packing things away even without my permission or general guidance on whatever it is that needs to be placed where | 14:12 |
| kanzure | subsequently I no longer have a cell phone charger and my father wants me to pay for it | 14:12 |
| kanzure | seeing as how I was not the one to throw it away or in any other way loose it -- since I do in fact keep track of my stuff - I asked him to pay for it | 14:13 |
| kanzure | seeing as how I am also very broke :) | 14:13 |
| kanzure | he called me insane and hung up | 14:13 |
| kanzure | :( | 14:13 |
| fenn | mwaha "One obvious way to circumvent this problem is to send information encoded in small pieces of matter at high speed." | 14:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: context? | 14:51 |
| fenn | the physics of information processing superobjects | 14:51 |
| kanzure | good ol' Anders | 14:52 |
| fenn | talking about bandwidth limits imposed by gamma ray lasers splitting into other elementary particles | 14:52 |
| fenn | this is the third time today i've randomly run across one of his pages | 14:52 |
| kanzure | surely you knew of him before though, right? | 14:53 |
| fenn | yeah | 14:53 |
| kanzure | btw, in the lab meeting yesterday a person presented what we now call the 'wayneron' which is a self-optimizing ribosome | 15:09 |
| kanzure | wonder where we've heard these ideas before | 15:10 |
| Democritus | you at a university now kanzure? | 15:31 |
| kanzure | Democritus: yes | 15:31 |
| Democritus | or have you already been? | 15:31 |
| Democritus | cool. self-optimizing? excuse my lack of knowledge- can you quickly explain that? | 15:32 |
| Democritus | or just gimme a url | 15:32 |
| Democritus | i hate working in the business world. | 15:35 |
| kanzure | it's biological and thus evolvable | 15:35 |
| kanzure | yes, I have been in the lab | 15:35 |
| Democritus | today earlier in meeting, someone was saying that we could know where a particular piece of paper was or where it was going to be, etc. but not at same time | 15:35 |
| Democritus | so natural i say HUP | 15:36 |
| Democritus | everyone looked at me like i was a marshmallow or something | 15:36 |
| Democritus | those people have no sense of humor | 15:36 |
| kanzure | fenn: I'm guessing you may have ran into the same issues I've been mentioning? | 15:40 |
| kanzure | it's not so much issues as it is peculiarities I guess | 15:40 |
| fenn | uh, small world networks? | 15:41 |
| kanzure | ? | 15:42 |
| kanzure | HUP? | 15:42 |
| fenn | what peculiarities in particular? | 15:42 |
| fenn | HUP == heisenberg uncertainty principle | 15:43 |
| kanzure | that the systematic approach I'd prefer to take isn't exactly an available option | 15:43 |
| Democritus | oh god man | 15:45 |
| Democritus | the business world would make you kill yourself most likely | 15:45 |
| Democritus | acadamia is protected a bit from the complete madness | 15:45 |
| Democritus | content does not matter, appearances do | 15:46 |
| Democritus | etc and so forth | 15:46 |
| Democritus | except they want their computer shit running- and it makes them mad they cant fuck with IT guys | 15:46 |
| Democritus | you got to remember work is just another extension of a social system run by chimps | 15:47 |
| Democritus | and an authoritarian one too- which is where the real fun comes in | 15:47 |
| Democritus | of course i guess i dont help- when i get emails- i check the maillogs to see if someone tried bcc behind my back | 15:48 |
| Democritus | so i tell em to stop it- "I know what you did" | 15:48 |
| kanzure | That's not really the issue. I'd label it more as .. the separation and division of work. i.e., I don't see allocation tables, so I just sit and wait for stuff to do :-) especially since we don't have the overall charts and diagrams for the workflow patterns | 15:53 |
| kanzure | fenn: don't these labs usually graph out their workflows for their routines ? | 15:53 |
| kanzure | or shouldn't they? | 15:53 |
| fenn | that's called a protocol and by the third time you've done it you should have it more or less memorized (check as you go along though) | 15:54 |
| fenn | beyond that i dont really know what you're talking about | 15:55 |
| kanzure | yeah, but what about the documentation on where stuff is or at what stage of everything stuff is at | 15:55 |
| kanzure | really? | 15:55 |
| kanzure | I guess I need API documentation on the protocols then | 15:55 |
| fenn | "where stuff is" is definitely a problem (and easy to fix at that) | 15:56 |
| fenn | but it does take slightly greater than minimum effort so it usually doesn't get documented | 15:56 |
| kanzure | so what they seem to do is show me some interesting stuff every once in a while, and I try to write down as much as I can (usually completely, it's not too terrible), but a lot of this could be solved with a keyboard and a printer ... why I'm even copying it by hand is beyond me | 15:57 |
| kanzure | (for some of the protocols etc.) | 15:57 |
| kanzure | remember our discussions on 'fablab' inventory management? | 15:58 |
| kanzure | or lab configuration? | 15:58 |
| kanzure | this overhead could be eliminated with proper computational documentation of the inventory | 15:59 |
| fenn | or any documentation at all | 16:00 |
| fenn | but usually even that is too much to ask | 16:00 |
| fenn | or something | 16:00 |
| Democritus | haha | 16:05 |
| Democritus | I remember going onsite to fix an emergency. The IT guy there, was frantic- i forget what the issue was except it was an upgrade that went very bad | 16:06 |
| Democritus | so i asked "Where is the Change Proposal for the upgrade" | 16:07 |
| Democritus | which is a formalized system of documenting- issue, solution, proceedures, risks, back out plan, etc | 16:07 |
| Democritus | none, so i ask for ANY documentation- he had NONE- not even a network topology map | 16:07 |
| Democritus | "i'm gonna have to raise my rate i think" | 16:07 |
| Democritus | my life may change after 5pm today (for the better - of course life always changes anyway- but still) | 16:11 |
| Democritus | Venture Capitalist may dump a pile of money on me | 16:11 |
| Democritus | 3rd meeting | 16:11 |
| Democritus | but maybe not- not quitting my day job | 16:13 |
| kanzure | there's a difference between documentation of what you're dong -- maybe like a shell log -- versus those pesky TPS reports | 16:13 |
| Democritus | sounds nasty- and yes i hate writing reports | 16:13 |
| Democritus | documenting what i am going to do is for me- so i can see the full idea on paper | 16:14 |
| fenn | Democritus: you really ought to watch "Office Space" | 16:14 |
| Democritus | and find the weak spots | 16:14 |
| Democritus | the movie or series? | 16:14 |
| fenn | i think it may hold some key life lessons for you | 16:14 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TPS_reportti's | 16:14 |
| kanzure | fenn: like not working? | 16:14 |
| Democritus | fenn i saw the movie | 16:14 |
| Democritus | hell i could have written the movie | 16:14 |
| Democritus | :D | 16:14 |
| fenn | kanzure: not working and getting promoted for it :) | 16:14 |
| Democritus | yeah | 16:14 |
| Democritus | rather go fight club route | 16:14 |
| Democritus | threaten to beat the snot out of my boss if he does not continue paying me- and telling him - i aint coming in anymore | 16:15 |
| kanzure | since nobody is ever supposed to talk about fight club, | 16:15 |
| kanzure | I know nothing about it | 16:15 |
| Democritus | :D | 16:15 |
| Democritus | that is what the VC money idea is for | 16:15 |
| Democritus | but i guess i cant talk about it either | 16:15 |
| Democritus | :< | 16:15 |
| kanzure | I don't like money. | 16:15 |
| Democritus | i despise it | 16:15 |
| Democritus | kanzure: good- that means you have a soul | 16:16 |
| Democritus | congrats | 16:16 |
| kanzure | what's a soul? | 16:16 |
| Democritus | heh | 16:16 |
| Democritus | dont worry kanzure- my idea involves destroying at least one major financial system | 16:17 |
| * kanzure gets going on step 2 | 16:17 | |
| kanzure | which is just a simple data format reader | 16:17 |
| kanzure | need to load up an array | 16:17 |
| * kanzure goes to find the array | 16:17 | |
| Democritus | you still at the lab? | 16:18 |
| kanzure | uh, no | 16:18 |
| kanzure | array as in | 16:18 |
| Democritus | got it | 16:18 |
| kanzure | right. | 16:18 |
| Democritus | i have heard words like that used to mean physical equipment as well | 16:19 |
| Democritus | especially when you said you had to go find it | 16:19 |
| kanzure | sure, like a DNA array | 16:19 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_microarray | 16:19 |
| kanzure | or a physical array instead of just a linear array of bits layed out on a magnetic tape on your hdd | 16:19 |
| fenn | disk drive array is probably what he was thinking no? | 16:19 |
| kanzure | I was thinking he meant an array like a plate | 16:19 |
| Democritus | probably- | 16:19 |
| kanzure | since he mentioned the lab | 16:19 |
| Democritus | hard to tell | 16:19 |
| Democritus | that was a while back now- | 16:19 |
| kanzure | Democritus: speciifcally it's an array of labeled regions of the brain with respect to gene expression information | 16:20 |
| kanzure | *specifically | 16:20 |
| Democritus | oh cool | 16:20 |
| Democritus | reading | 16:20 |
| kanzure | no, the link isn't what I'm doing | 16:21 |
| Democritus | link is still cool though | 16:21 |
| kanzure | your IP address is funky | 16:21 |
| kanzure | 12.152.65.50 ? | 16:21 |
| kanzure | sounds like an older block? | 16:21 |
| Democritus | t1 | 16:21 |
| Democritus | (s) | 16:21 |
| Democritus | used to use tor just so people would stop sniffing- dont care much anymore though | 16:22 |
| Democritus | i have a dishtv wifi system at home | 16:22 |
| Democritus | :D | 16:22 |
| Democritus | tri-feed- some idiot threw it away | 16:22 |
| kanzure | btw, I run a monitor with tail -f pointed at the apache logs, so it's not you personally | 16:23 |
| kanzure | it's every one | 16:23 |
| Democritus | little drilling- mounted it on a pole indoors- swivels angles, up and down | 16:23 |
| Democritus | understood | 16:23 |
| Democritus | often have done same | 16:23 |
| Democritus | getting the usb right was tricky | 16:23 |
| kanzure | ? | 16:23 |
| Democritus | its a little under powered still | 16:23 |
| Democritus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WokFi | 16:24 |
| Democritus | basically that | 16:24 |
| kanzure | USB-wired CRTs? | 16:24 |
| Democritus | instead i used a DishTV satellite dish | 16:24 |
| kanzure | uhh | 16:24 |
| kanzure | a low cost wifi antenna | 16:24 |
| kanzure | out of kitchenware | 16:24 |
| Democritus | well mine is out of somebody elses trash | 16:25 |
| Democritus | and i still have two feeds left! | 16:25 |
| Democritus | not sure what i am going to do with them yet though | 16:25 |
| kanzure | why isn't this in my bookmarks yet? | 16:25 |
| Democritus | :D | 16:25 |
| Democritus | WokFi gains are typically 12-15 dB, with range boosts thus 4-6 times over a bare USB adapter. | 16:26 |
| Democritus | I think i could get a mile or more with some luck. i should probably boost the line | 16:26 |
| Democritus | one of those usb hubs should do the trick | 16:26 |
| fenn | world record is something like 700mi with a satellite dish between two mountains | 16:27 |
| fenn | up 304km.. not quite | 16:28 |
| Democritus | going to work on getting the car setup properly one day | 16:39 |
| Democritus | for wifi i mean | 16:40 |
| kanzure | does CTRL+S in xterm do anything in particular other than freeze the window? | 16:40 |
| Democritus | you see a guy driving around with a wok on top of his car, wave and say hi please | 16:40 |
| Democritus | dont use xterm | 16:40 |
| Democritus | i can try though | 16:40 |
| fenn | #xterm flow control hack | 16:41 |
| fenn | if ( tty -s ); then stty -ixon -ixoff ; fi | 16:41 |
| kanzure | flow control? | 16:42 |
| fenn | CTRL-Q un-freezes it btw | 16:42 |
| kanzure | huh | 16:42 |
| kanzure | thank you | 16:42 |
| Democritus | haha | 16:42 |
| kanzure | was this in a configuration file I should know about? | 16:42 |
| fenn | uh, that was in my .bashrc | 16:42 |
| Democritus | hmm | 16:43 |
| Democritus | i always liked the standard gentoo bash setup | 16:43 |
| Democritus | i usually just use that- although i gave up on gentoo | 16:44 |
| kanzure | I don't like how the ABA brain ontology file has only ~200 entries for regions of the brain | 16:44 |
| Democritus | *sigh* | 16:44 |
| kanzure | it smells too small | 16:44 |
| fenn | i also have this in my.Xresources (and you must mexrdb -merge it) each X session: | 16:45 |
| fenn | i also have this in my.Xresources (and you must mexrdb -merge it) each X sessXTerm*metaSendsEscape: true | 16:45 |
| fenn | XTerm*eightBitInput: false | 16:45 |
| fenn | XTerm*charClass: 33:48,36-47:48,58-59:48,61:48,63-64:48,95:48,126:48 | 16:45 |
| kanzure | I am having difficulties parsing the meaning of this | 16:46 |
| fenn | eh i t came through a bit garbled | 16:46 |
| kanzure | what's the metaSendEscape variable supposed to trigger? | 16:46 |
| fenn | metaSendsEscape allows alt-number switching between channels in irssi | 16:47 |
| fenn | otherwise you have to ctrl-click and pick it each time | 16:47 |
| fenn | i forget why eightBitInput | 16:47 |
| kanzure | ah, I've never tried irssi within xterm | 16:47 |
| fenn | and the charClass thing allows you to double click on a url and hilight the whole thing | 16:47 |
| kanzure | hurray | 16:47 |
| fenn | it breaks up at # marks though, i need to fix that | 16:48 |
| fenn | and parentheses | 16:48 |
| Democritus | i used command line irc like 10yrs ago- I just dont get the point anymore on that | 16:50 |
| fenn | you can run it in a screen session | 16:50 |
| Democritus | yeah i know | 16:50 |
| Democritus | but- come on- just use pidgin or something | 16:50 |
| kanzure | you don't mean to say that you prefer GUI over CLI? | 16:50 |
| Democritus | for chat- yes i do | 16:50 |
| * kanzure dies a little bit inside | 16:50 | |
| fenn | what's not to get? i can loaf about the house and use any computer i happen to be at to do all my stuff | 16:51 |
| Democritus | nah- different problem- need a different tool | 16:51 |
| Democritus | me too | 16:51 |
| kanzure | you give computers commands | 16:51 |
| Democritus | that is what i am saying | 16:51 |
| kanzure | this is what a CLI interface does | 16:51 |
| kanzure | problem solved | 16:51 |
| fenn | there really isn't much difference between irssi and a gui client | 16:51 |
| kanzure | grr, redundancy | 16:51 |
| Democritus | it is far too easy to have access to any machine through any other- i have gui machines- why not use them for web browsing/chat/email | 16:51 |
| Democritus | i would never config an apache file or something with a gui tool | 16:51 |
| Democritus | that is idiotic | 16:51 |
| kanzure | the main reason that I am mostly opposed to GUIs as the be-all-end-all is mostly because of the incredibly obnoxious amount of clicking | 16:52 |
| Democritus | hahaha | 16:52 |
| kanzure | I know what I want to do, let me type it out :) | 16:52 |
| Democritus | agreed | 16:52 |
| kanzure | well, I _don't_ know | 16:52 |
| fenn | obnoxious clicking aside, i never really got X forwarding working right | 16:52 |
| Democritus | and on almost anything else i would be leading this preaching session | 16:52 |
| kanzure | fenn: isn't that a xinerama dealy? | 16:52 |
| fenn | no, it's a "pseudo server" called xmove | 16:52 |
| Democritus | xinerama is more for dual monitors | 16:53 |
| fenn | perhaps forwarding isnt the right term, as i can ssh -X fine | 16:53 |
| Democritus | right? have to look that back up- havent fucked with an xorg.conf file in a bit | 16:53 |
| fenn | but the bandwidth is too high for my crappy wifi anyway | 16:53 |
| fenn | which was the whole point | 16:53 |
| kanzure | For some reason I'm writing a 3D visualization tool of the brain. | 16:54 |
| kanzure | I think it's mostly working except for some final pieces of the puzzle | 16:54 |
| Democritus | who needs a reason to do such a thing? | 16:54 |
| kanzure | before I go throw it all together or the finale, | 16:54 |
| kanzure | *for the finale | 16:54 |
| * fenn is so going to bed | 16:54 | |
| kanzure | what might the interface be like? | 16:54 |
| kanzure | I can do the 3D walking through a landscape thing | 16:54 |
| kanzure | would that be suitable? | 16:54 |
| Democritus | that is how i could tell who was cool and who wasnt- when i had the house/wife/garage- company i worked for gave me 200+ 300mhz machines | 16:54 |
| kanzure | or maybe a GTK window with a list of the regions with clickability and instant transportation? | 16:54 |
| Democritus | those who were cool would go in the garage and go "oh awesome" those who were not cool would say "why?" | 16:55 |
| Democritus | i beowulfed most of them | 16:55 |
| Democritus | had to run another line for power | 16:55 |
| Democritus | that is also when i had a ton of SBC resources (single board computers- DIMM sized up to about 3inches or so) | 16:56 |
| Democritus | it was a two story 40x40 "garage" | 16:58 |
| Democritus | :D | 16:58 |
| kanzure | ooh, what if I do a server thinglet | 16:58 |
| Democritus | 40x30 sorry . | 16:58 |
| Democritus | 0_0 | 16:58 |
| kanzure | where I can send commands to the brainserv | 16:58 |
| Democritus | thinglet? | 16:58 |
| kanzure | and then the display would update | 16:58 |
| kanzure | yeah, just make it a daemon | 16:58 |
| kanzure | and then the interface and so on are totally optional | 16:58 |
| Democritus | brainserv is what? | 16:58 |
| kanzure | as long as you have a running viewport | 16:58 |
| kanzure | the thing I'm writing apparently = brainserv | 16:58 |
| Democritus | thought so | 16:58 |
| Democritus | just clarifying | 16:59 |
| Democritus | clear to you- not necessarily to me/others | 16:59 |
| kanzure | well, I said server | 16:59 |
| Democritus | i have same problem so no worries | 16:59 |
| kanzure | and serv is an adequate abbreviation methinks | 16:59 |
| Democritus | lolz | 16:59 |
| kanzure | brainsrv | 16:59 |
| kanzure | better? | 16:59 |
| Democritus | much | 16:59 |
| Democritus | re-reading idea | 17:00 |
| Democritus | yes it should be a daemon | 17:00 |
| Democritus | multiple clients | 17:00 |
| Democritus | ah which is where the array data comes in- | 17:02 |
| Democritus | gotcha- | 17:02 |
| Democritus | (you had mentioned that earlier) | 17:02 |
| kanzure | heh | 17:02 |
| Democritus | would you be able to model specific brains? | 17:02 |
| kanzure | this is just a visualization tool | 17:03 |
| Democritus | yeah | 17:03 |
| kanzure | but since we have a list of the genes for the brain | 17:03 |
| kanzure | I don't see why not. | 17:03 |
| Democritus | i just figured one existed | 17:03 |
| kanzure | there is | 17:03 |
| kanzure | it's not open source | 17:03 |
| Democritus | -_- | 17:03 |
| kanzure | but the data is :) | 17:03 |
| * kanzure grins | 17:03 | |
| Democritus | :D | 17:03 |
| Democritus | i have to go deal with a whole lot of fucked up programs | 17:04 |
| Democritus | meaning i have to drive home | 17:04 |
| kanzure | 'k | 17:05 |
| Democritus | a) the car system in the first place b) the actual infrastructure is fucked up and wrong c) other drivers have their own programming and objectives- and apparently one of those is pissing me off | 17:05 |
| Democritus | d) etc | 17:05 |
| kanzure | yeah | 17:06 |
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| kanzure | shit, I don't want a server model | 17:07 |
| kanzure | that's a ton of data | 17:07 |
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| ybit | kanzure: what'd you use to get the brain explorer running on your comp., wine? | 18:54 |
| ybit | wine runs fold.it perfectly fine on my comp., but for the brain explorer doesn't work well with it | 18:55 |
| kanzure | ah, did you get the same results as I did? | 18:55 |
| ybit | what's that? | 18:55 |
| ybit | i have screenshot if you want to look | 18:55 |
| ybit | one sec.. | 18:55 |
| ybit | http://bayimg.com/eajMIaaBO | 18:56 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-07-10_wine_brainbow_fail.png | 18:56 |
| ybit | and if i was lucky... http://bayimg.com/EAJMhAAbo | 18:56 |
| ybit | yeah, i saw that... you have something there | 18:56 |
| kanzure | ybit: set wine in virtual desktop mode | 18:56 |
| kanzure | run winecfg | 18:56 |
| kanzure | then run it and you'll get the results that I had, methinks | 18:56 |
| kanzure | I posted to wine-users but nobody replied | 18:56 |
| kanzure | also debian-user | 18:56 |
| kanzure | http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=1669&sid=d5e48c75e57b832d305834e5dec84892 | 18:57 |
| Andares | kanzure, 2 monitors eh? | 18:57 |
| kanzure | Andares: Technically I'm up to six right now. | 18:57 |
| kanzure | I don't have enough video cards driving all of them though. | 18:58 |
| Andares | 6?! | 18:58 |
| Andares | how do you afford all that | 18:58 |
| kanzure | that's a very good question | 18:58 |
| kanzure | considering how I'm broke | 18:58 |
| * Andares watches kanzure hide the drugs. | 18:58 | |
| kanzure | I mean, I was broke before I had them | 18:58 |
| kanzure | and I'm broke after | 18:58 |
| kanzure | so :) | 18:58 |
| ybit | not quite | 18:58 |
| kanzure | it was mostly dumpster diving | 18:58 |
| Andares | Crowbar? :p | 18:58 |
| Andares | h | 18:58 |
| Andares | they're CRTs then? | 18:58 |
| kanzure | and getting stuff from local friends | 18:58 |
| kanzure | yeah | 18:58 |
| kanzure | http://freecycle.org/ | 18:58 |
| Andares | CRTs give me terrible headaches. | 18:59 |
| Andares | Especially when you spend over 12 hours straight on them. | 18:59 |
| ybit | right, no one in #winehq is being helpful | 18:59 |
| ybit | and i had problems getting the pirated windows to work right on vbox | 18:59 |
| Andares | PIRATE! Avast, | 18:59 |
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| Andares | ye matey. | 18:59 |
| Democritus | ahoi | 19:00 |
| ybit | oi Democritus | 19:00 |
| ybit | Andares: arrr | 19:00 |
| ybit | ;) | 19:00 |
| ybit | or is it arrrgg | 19:00 |
| ybit | dunno | 19:00 |
| kanzure | ybit: no one helped me in #winehq either | 19:00 |
| kanzure | so I'm writing it myself | 19:00 |
| Democritus | those dirty bastards | 19:00 |
| ybit | so how are you proceeding with your project? | 19:00 |
| ybit | oh, how so? | 19:01 |
| kanzure | but right now I'm kind of wondering about the memory management scheme | 19:01 |
| kanzure | I have it mostly completed | 19:01 |
| kanzure | all of the data is in front of me | 19:01 |
| Andares | memory management? | 19:01 |
| kanzure | the 3D visualization aspect is, uh, working | 19:01 |
| Andares | for what? | 19:01 |
| kanzure | I just need to load up the gene expression information specifically | 19:01 |
| kanzure | but you don't want to load it up all at once | 19:01 |
| kanzure | since that's far too much information | 19:01 |
| Andares | kanzure, what're you doing? :p | 19:01 |
| kanzure | and it's piss poor programming | 19:01 |
| kanzure | Andares: http://heybryan.org/humancortex.html | 19:01 |
| kanzure | Brain visualization software. | 19:01 |
| Andares | Cool. | 19:01 |
| Andares | Although, I'm more of a cellular/molecular guy myself. | 19:02 |
| kanzure | since ABA released 'Brain Explorer', and since the KDE guys named 'Konqueror' after 'Explorer', I'm calling this Brain Conqueror. | 19:02 |
| Andares | What are you coding it in? | 19:02 |
| kanzure | hehe | 19:02 |
| kanzure | perl :) | 19:02 |
| Andares | sdl? :p | 19:02 |
| kanzure | Nah. | 19:02 |
| kanzure | wait | 19:02 |
| Andares | or something like glx for the visualization | 19:02 |
| kanzure | yes, the current version is OpenGL + SDL + perl | 19:03 |
| kanzure | I had a few versions with just POGL or OpenGL::Simple::Viewer | 19:03 |
| Andares | Where are you pulling the structure info from? | 19:03 |
| kanzure | now I'm working on threading it | 19:03 |
| kanzure | http://brain-map.org/ | 19:03 |
| Andares | kanzure, is there any good software for calculating Ki's of ligands on folded proteins? | 19:04 |
| Andares | I was thinking of writing some if it doesn't already exist in the public. | 19:04 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Computational_biology | 19:04 |
| kanzure | Andares: I would also recommend using my ADR file instead of that link, so that you can see the titles of the links. | 19:04 |
| Democritus | the allen institute stuff is not open source? | 19:04 |
| Andares | Allen institute? | 19:04 |
| kanzure | Democritus: the software isn't | 19:04 |
| kanzure | Andares: http://humancortex.alleninstitute.org/ | 19:04 |
| Democritus | that is bullshit | 19:04 |
| Andares | Gotta love those 501C3's that don't release open-source. | 19:05 |
| Andares | >_> | 19:05 |
| Andares | And other 501C3s like College Board that price gouge. >:( | 19:05 |
| Democritus | jfc | 19:05 |
| ybit | but the info is in xml | 19:05 |
| kanzure | ybit: so? | 19:06 |
| Andares | Still don't know my AP grades because I refuse to give them $8 to hear them over the phone. | 19:06 |
| kanzure | Andares: I haven't received my grades yet either. | 19:06 |
| ybit | kanzure: was just saying that not all of their information is proprietary | 19:06 |
| kanzure | yeah | 19:06 |
| Andares | holy.. | 19:06 |
| Andares | als;dkjasl;djsal;das | 19:06 |
| Andares | kanzure, thank you for that link. | 19:06 |
| Democritus | now kanzure no more links for 5 mins | 19:07 |
| Democritus | still trying to go through the one two-three links ago | 19:07 |
| kanzure | hah | 19:07 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/chats/open-rtms-2008-07-11.txt | 19:07 |
| Democritus | kanzure i know a guy who did alot of google maps api stuff | 19:07 |
| kanzure | Meh. | 19:08 |
| kanzure | :) | 19:08 |
| Democritus | not the guys who made it- i mean utilizing it | 19:08 |
| kanzure | It's pretty easy. | 19:08 |
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| kanzure | The Goat! | 19:08 |
| kanzure | I was just linking over to http://heybryan.org/chats/open-rtms-2008-07-11.txt which might be of interested to a goat | 19:08 |
| kanzure | *of interest | 19:08 |
| Andares | kanzure, does that site provide the coding for the genes and the model of the folded protein? | 19:09 |
| kanzure | Andares: Yes. | 19:09 |
| Andares | Where? :( | 19:09 |
| kanzure | It provides Entrez ID numbers. | 19:09 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/humancortex.html should mention something like that | 19:09 |
| PanGoat | kanzure: reading now | 19:10 |
| PanGoat | lol "Hrpuffnstuf" | 19:10 |
| Democritus | damn | 19:10 |
| Andares | kanzure, why do they call it HTR* instead of 5HT*? | 19:10 |
| kanzure | Who's they? | 19:11 |
| Andares | the Allen Institute people. | 19:11 |
| Andares | Also this isn't giving me the AGCT stuff. >:( | 19:11 |
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| Democritus | not sure you had to leave in teh social philosophy part kanzure | 19:13 |
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| kanzure_ | Uh. I was kicked off. | 19:17 |
| kanzure_ | Wireless network looks dead. | 19:17 |
| kanzure_ | You guys alive? | 19:17 |
| PanGoat | no | 19:18 |
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| Hrpuffnstuf | i think i was wrong | 19:22 |
| kanzure_ | hmm | 19:24 |
| kanzure_ | ii am going to CA | 19:24 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | cool | 19:24 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | the programs were slightly different there | 19:24 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | was interesting to compare differences to east coast mega-city | 19:25 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | kanzure did you stay in #science on dalnet? | 19:25 |
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| Andares | kanzure, CA? | 19:26 |
| kanzure_ | quick, somebody tell me how to improvise a cell phone charger | 19:31 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | kanzure | 19:31 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | was just talking to biowiz | 19:31 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | :D | 19:31 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | got a mini-usb cable? | 19:32 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | of course not | 19:32 |
| kanzure_ | yes | 19:32 |
| kanzure_ | I do. | 19:32 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | you had taht you could just plug into computer and wouldnt have asked | 19:32 |
| kanzure_ | but it's the square interface | 19:32 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | oh wrong one | 19:32 |
| kanzure_ | Anyway, I found the charger. | 19:32 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | yipee | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | Hrpuffnstuf: yes, I was in #science | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | Okay, so the singinst guys want a javascript graphing app | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | quick, to Google! | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | once dhclient starts working on the laptop | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | it was rather bizarre how | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | as soon as the laptop's connection went down, | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | singinst called me | 19:33 |
| kanzure_ | I thought it was the ISP scolding me for using two accounts | 19:34 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | what is sing inst again? | 19:34 |
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| kanzure_ | http://singinst.org/ | 19:34 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | hmm | 19:35 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | crap or not? | 19:35 |
| kanzure_ | oh, mostly crap | 19:35 |
| kanzure_ | but they have funding | 19:35 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | of course | 19:35 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | wonder from where | 19:35 |
| kanzure_ | same guy who funded Facebook | 19:35 |
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| Hrpuffnstuf | oh yeah we discussed that | 19:36 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | since teh "same guy that funded facebook" was a letter agency | 19:36 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | :D | 19:36 |
| kanzure_ | ? | 19:36 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | as in cia/fbi/etc | 19:37 |
| kanzure_ | now, what's log normal? | 19:37 |
| Hrpuffnstuf | out for a bit | 19:37 |
| kanzure_ | guess they just want an AJAX front end to octave | 19:39 |
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| kanzure | Hi all. | 20:22 |
| kanzure | Where'd all you people come from? | 20:22 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/gnuplot/gnuplot.html | 20:22 |
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| kanzure | fenn: http://bloodgate.com/graph-demo | 20:41 |
| kanzure | that's for graphviz | 20:41 |
| kanzure | might be relevant re: exp.html and skdb | 20:41 |
| kanzure | https://mailman.research.att.com/pipermail/graphviz-interest/2007q3/004722.html | 20:42 |
| kanzure | http://bloodgate.com/perl/graph/ | 20:44 |
| kanzure | ah, it's Perl's Graph::Easy | 20:44 |
| Seldon_Plan | cool- busy writing up a planning doc | 20:46 |
| Seldon_Plan | going to code that site | 20:46 |
| kanzure | ? | 20:46 |
| kanzure | what site? | 20:46 |
| Seldon_Plan | oh- i have a big idea | 20:47 |
| Seldon_Plan | :D | 20:47 |
| Seldon_Plan | Venture Capitalist went ok- but basicaly- they want a demo | 20:47 |
| Seldon_Plan | this is not an ends- just a means to fund people like you and me so you can be funded to do what you want | 20:47 |
| Seldon_Plan | honest injun | 20:47 |
| Seldon_Plan | i figure you give smart people enough resources and just let them create- traditional world profits will follow | 20:48 |
| Seldon_Plan | that is the idea anyway | 20:48 |
| Seldon_Plan | so i have to code this site | 20:48 |
| Seldon_Plan | the document is going well anyway :D | 20:48 |
| Seldon_Plan | gotta start with a foundation though | 20:48 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/projects/openpay/widget.php?projectID=1 | 20:49 |
| kanzure | view that | 20:49 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/projects/openpay/widget.php?projectID=1 | 20:49 |
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| ybit | haha, yeah, that's one of my favorite scenes in life of brian | 21:55 |
| kanzur1 | it's symbolic of his struggle with reality :-) | 21:57 |
| ybit | hehe | 21:58 |
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| Andares | Hey kanzur1, do you have access to publications? | 23:48 |
| kanzure_ | Yes. | 23:49 |
| kanzure_ | ping? | 23:53 |
| kanzur1 | Yes. | 23:54 |
| Andares | Cool. | 23:58 |
| Andares | wait | 23:58 |
| Andares | which is who. :x | 23:58 |
| Andares | Anyway. | 23:58 |
| Andares | kanzur1, are there any cool articles on that network about the pharmacology of hydergine? :p | 23:59 |
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