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| kanzure_ | You'll have to give me a while. The WAN is acting up since it's a dorm and it's 11 at night. | 00:02 |
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| * kanzure_ has a monitor on his server for log viewing that he's typing from. | 00:02 | |
| Andares | heh | 00:03 |
| Andares | why are you in a dorm? | 00:03 |
| kanzure_ | I was kicked out of the house. | 00:07 |
| Andares | That sucks. | 00:07 |
| Andares | I'd ask why, but that'd be nosy. :p | 00:07 |
| Andares | How'd you get into the dorm though? | 00:07 |
| Andares | I thought you usually couldn't. | 00:07 |
| kanzure_ | Meh. I was kicked out because of my ... pecularities -- such as being somewhat of a packrat, and really, really not wanting the trumpet to be played in the house (not a lot of insulation, so you can hear the thing down the block, -- how can you get work done with that?) etc. | 00:10 |
| kanzure_ | General incompatability with parental units. :-) | 00:11 |
| Andares | hehe | 00:11 |
| Seldon_Plan | lot of that goes around | 00:12 |
| Seldon_Plan | cause you are just given to whoever gave birth to you! | 00:12 |
| Seldon_Plan | how barbaric | 00:12 |
| kanzure_ | It got to the point where I started standing up for myself. Refusing to mow the lawn. | 00:13 |
| kanzure_ | I explained to them how it is completely feasible to build a robot to mow the lawn, without a lot of effort, dumping on them the schematics, links and documentation on how it's all supposed to work, | 00:14 |
| Seldon_Plan | should be done by a laser guided robot with programable circuit boards of course | 00:14 |
| Seldon_Plan | anyway | 00:14 |
| kanzure_ | [and this general pattern for many things], and they called me insane. | 00:14 |
| Seldon_Plan | kanzure_ can i get a last word with you in the other channel? | 00:14 |
| kanzure_ | Sure. | 00:14 |
| Andares | kanzure_, you should have built the robot for them. | 00:19 |
| Andares | Then you wouldn't have had to mow. | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | Andares: Broke, remember? | 00:19 |
| Andares | Hrm. | 00:19 |
| Andares | True. | 00:19 |
| Andares | See, I tend to generally follow what my dad tells me to do. | 00:19 |
| Andares | Even though I kind of hate him. | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | It's not a matter of hating them. | 00:19 |
| Andares | Seldon_Plan, Foundation ^_^ | 00:19 |
| Andares | I love my mom though. :( I get separation anxiety from her. | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | It's a matter of being in pain doing something that I know I can build machines to do. | 00:19 |
| Andares | eh, I just give up. | 00:21 |
| Andares | Say "Yes" and "No I won't." | 00:21 |
| Andares | Then do things behind their back like 2C-I. :D | 00:21 |
| Seldon_Plan | heh | 00:22 |
| Andares | Seldon_Plan, interesting series I think. | 00:22 |
| Seldon_Plan | yeah | 00:24 |
| Seldon_Plan | more then interesting | 00:24 |
| Seldon_Plan | he was laying a framework for a larger scope of ideas | 00:25 |
| Seldon_Plan | about evolution itself | 00:25 |
| Seldon_Plan | dont care if it reads as fiction | 00:25 |
| Seldon_Plan | that man was MOTIVATED - you ever seen the fully body of his work? | 00:25 |
| kanzure_ | He typed 8 hours per day nonstop. | 00:27 |
| Andares | I haven't seen all of it. | 00:27 |
| Andares | But it's amazing to me that everything was on a SINGLE timeline. | 00:27 |
| Andares | Foundation and I, Robot, even that Lucky Starr series are all in the same universe I think. | 00:27 |
| Seldon_Plan | ever venture to his pure nonfiction stuff | 00:27 |
| Depucelato1 | There are lawn-mowing robots, they're like $1500 | 00:27 |
| Seldon_Plan | my most prized book is Asimov's guide to the bible | 00:27 |
| Andares | huh | 00:28 |
| Splicer | It was a long time since I read those... what was the larger scope of ideas on evolution? | 00:31 |
| Splicer | Something about the computer being able to predict even unlikely evolutionery events? | 00:34 |
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| kanzure_ | Depucelato1: It should be significantly cheaper. | 00:34 |
| kanzure_ | Bah. | 00:34 |
| Seldon_Plan | kanzure_ last words over in other chan- | 00:59 |
| Seldon_Plan | nite | 00:59 |
| Seldon_Plan | splicer ask me a different day | 00:59 |
| Seldon_Plan | i can explain it in full- and the advancements i have made on the theories | 00:59 |
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| kanzur1 | Hey. | 14:28 |
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| nsh | sup kanz | 14:59 |
| kanzure_ | stuff | 14:59 |
| * nsh is listening to Paul Laffoley lecture beautiful kookistry over finnish psytrance | 15:00 | |
| nsh | what's on your radar? | 15:00 |
| nsh | ( http://www.altertube.tv/view_video.php?viewkey=1b7d5eabf33396c2683a ) + ( http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=72974642 ) | 15:00 |
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| kanzure_ | Food. | 15:06 |
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| kanzure | It works. | 18:46 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-07-17_brainshot.png | 18:46 |
| kanzure | Sort of. The number in the lower left hand corner is the fps count. | 18:46 |
| jm | what's this? | 19:11 |
| jm | ah i see. didn't read the log. sounds interesting. | 19:25 |
| kanzure | http://www.constructal.org/ | 20:09 |
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| kanzure_ | This is fairly consistent. | 20:59 |
| kanzure_ | Wireless goes down around eight each night. | 20:59 |
| Depucelator | maybe the cleaning lady is unplugging something at your ISP every night | 21:00 |
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| ybit | "Essentially these guys actually know what they are doing -- they built a Google Maps AJAX interface to their neuroscience information that they had been automatically collecting. The demo is offline now" | 22:37 |
| ybit | kanzure_: did you see this http://sparql.neurocommons.org:8890/map/#Kcnip3@2850,Kcnd1@2800 | 22:37 |
| kanzure_ | is that the map and does it work | 22:37 |
| kanzure_ | shit | 22:38 |
| ybit | it's working for me | 22:38 |
| kanzure_ | :) | 22:38 |
| kanzure_ | How'd you find it? | 22:38 |
| ybit | linked from http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/Banff2007Demo | 22:38 |
| kanzure_ | Thank you. | 22:42 |
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| ybit | you're most welcome | 22:50 |
| ybit | btw, the applications featured at simile.mit.edu are intriguing | 22:52 |
| kanzure_ | which ones ? | 22:53 |
| ybit | i like longwell, rdfizers, solvent, and piggy bank | 22:57 |
| ybit | the way they are all mixed together i suppose is what i find fascinating | 22:58 |
| kanzure_ | eh? | 22:58 |
| kanzure_ | I looked at them, doesn't look like much | 22:58 |
| ybit | http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/Longwell_Demos | 22:58 |
| ybit | okay, this might be my sleep-deprived, delusional self speaking then | 22:59 |
| kanzure_ | Heh, you know what this stuff is, right? | 23:00 |
| ybit | yep | 23:00 |
| kanzure_ | It's basically some fancy way of dealing with metadata from these different repositories. Plus or minus the Longwell banking folders. | 23:00 |
| ybit | do i have to give explanations? :P | 23:00 |
| kanzure_ | maybe I'm missing something. | 23:00 |
| kanzure_ | yes | 23:00 |
| kanzure_ | :) | 23:00 |
| ybit | hehe | 23:00 |
| ybit | you just explained it | 23:00 |
| ybit | it would have taken me, oh, a few more sentences | 23:00 |
| ybit | speaking of metadata, i need a smart filter which recognizes only interesting news :) | 23:02 |
| ybit | reading through hundreds of feeds per day takes up too much time | 23:02 |
| ybit | so how does this help you at all? | 23:03 |
| kanzure_ | Hm? | 23:03 |
| kanzure_ | how does what ? | 23:04 |
| kanzure_ | the feed reading? | 23:04 |
| kanzure_ | think of it as a constant reminder to how much the human task of reading sucks. | 23:04 |
| ybit | no no, the google maps/allen institute/sparql mashup | 23:05 |
| kanzure_ | http://23andme.com/ is the second layer of data | 23:06 |
| kanzure_ | and, uh, just imagine that the mashup includes the other Google Map feature of shared "personalized maps" or whatever - where users tag stuff, and then that's shareable and such | 23:06 |
| ybit | so you plan on whomever gets their genome read, to share the information? | 23:08 |
| kanzure_ | wait, what? | 23:08 |
| kanzure_ | if you don't want to you certainly don't have to | 23:08 |
| ybit | i dunno, i was hoping you could tell me | 23:08 |
| ybit | me brain is working slow tonight | 23:08 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/humancortex.html | 23:08 |
| kanzure_ | So. The idea was that since you have these SNP details from the users and then a map of the brain to some extent based off of gene expression, you suddenly have mutation information about the brain. | 23:09 |
| kanzure_ | You suddenly can correlate different pieces of information -- like user behavior to genetic anomalies, and this is supposedly what the tagging would be used for. To associate BibTeX and other forms of data. | 23:10 |
| ybit | ah | 23:10 |
| ybit | thanks for the explanation, that clarified a few things for me | 23:11 |
| kanzure_ | And, simultaneously, the 3D brain explorer^W^W^W^W^W^Wconqueror can be correlated not only to the dbSNP data, but also perhaps realtime fMRI, C/T scans, PET, ... | 23:11 |
| ybit | and i swear if you ask me tomorrow, it will still be fresh on my mind :) | 23:11 |
| ybit | hmm | 23:12 |
| kanzure_ | think of it as a computational scaffold for the exploration of the brain via neurofeedback mechanisms -- some of this thanks to the gene sequencing from SNP datasets and some thanks to the brain mapping projects. | 23:12 |
| ybit | this would help several fields of neuroscience | 23:13 |
| kanzure_ | they are already ahead | 23:13 |
| kanzure_ | for instance, Markram's stuff | 23:13 |
| ybit | i wonder if they have such a map | 23:14 |
| * kanzure_ isn't too happy about 3D mapping of gene expression data and would prefer to mimic Markram's "Blue Builder" app | 23:14 | |
| kanzure_ | ah, well, they might not have that map exactly, but | 23:14 |
| kanzure_ | but they already have explored the pertinent information for the parts of the brain that we care about | 23:14 |
| kanzure_ | there's no guarantee of any added functionality coming out of this really | 23:16 |
| ybit | i'm not finding a page mentioning "blue builder" software, are you referring the collection of resources they are using to simulate the brain? | 23:17 |
| kanzure_ | nope, | 23:17 |
| kanzure_ | before they simulate they 'grow' the brain in a simulator module of sorts | 23:18 |
| kanzure_ | this is the initialization/instantiation app | 23:18 |
| kanzure_ | where they have the neurons generated per various algorithms they've wrestled from tissue cultures over the past decade or some such | 23:18 |
| kanzure_ | uhm | 23:29 |
| kanzure_ | and besides, something like that should be mentioned on http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Henry_Markram_imitation_project | 23:29 |
| kanzure_ | in my notes somewhere. | 23:29 |
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| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_tanks | 23:57 |
| kanzure_ | uh .. since when are these for policy making ? | 23:57 |
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