| --- Day changed Sun Aug 17 2008 | ||
| kanzure | yes | 04:27 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ | 04:27 |
| kanzure | it's in the folder that makes sense | 04:27 |
| kanzure | uhm | 04:27 |
| kanzure | the one I linked to from the email | 04:27 |
| kanzure | http://gizmodo.com/5036953/guy-films-space-shuttle-launch-from-passing-airliner | 04:50 |
| willPow3r_ | http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=0816_sd_wlm_au_l1688&channelcode=sportwl | 05:43 |
| ybit | maybe it'd be nice if, i dunno, it actually played on my computer (and supported my browser w/out me having to change the identification of my OS) | 06:02 |
| willPow3r_ | what? you don't use windows?? | 06:03 |
| ybit | though, tbh, i still wouldn't watch it :P | 06:03 |
| willPow3r_ | why's that? | 06:03 |
| ybit | other things to do | 06:03 |
| ybit | other things to watch :) | 06:03 |
| willPow3r_ | a hungarian weightlifter dislocates his elbow | 06:04 |
| ybit | now that i do want to see | 06:05 |
| willPow3r_ | in high def ;) | 06:05 |
| ybit | kanzure, that guy's reaction is classic | 06:06 |
| ybit | willPow3r_ :P | 06:06 |
| willPow3r_ | i think he would have been less impressed had he not been on a very boring flight | 06:06 |
| ybit | longturn.org (my fav strategy game just got better) | 06:11 |
| kanzure | I'm doing a brief re-read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_computing and it mentions 'Given a specific task to solve, and a class of functions F, learning means using a set of observations, in order to find f within the class of functions F, which solves the task in an optimal sense.' Geeze, damn, sounds like, I dunno, a (hack of a) compiler optimizer. | 06:17 |
| willPow3r_ | freeciv is your fav strategy game? | 06:22 |
| willPow3r_ | i prefer parcheesi | 06:22 |
| ybit | well, it's my fav strategy game that runs on this computer and is free :) | 06:23 |
| willPow3r_ | heh | 06:24 |
| ybit | you prefer a board game in the digital age o_O | 06:25 |
| willPow3r_ | call me a luddite if you will | 06:25 |
| ybit | hehe | 06:25 |
| ybit | i've always thought that those who played board games in the past would prefer RTS games these days, since the strategy required can be more dynamic | 06:26 |
| ybit | and just as complex | 06:26 |
| ybit | but i am interested in luddite now | 06:26 |
| ybit | GRR | 06:26 |
| ybit | parcheesi | 06:27 |
| willPow3r_ | 133000 google results for parcheesi | 06:28 |
| ybit | and only one matters: wikipedia | 06:29 |
| ybit | (joking) | 06:29 |
| ybit | ..kind of | 06:29 |
| willPow3r_ | i'm looking for an online version | 06:29 |
| willPow3r_ | the "cultural references" section in wikipedia articles is the most useless information | 06:32 |
| ybit | holy crap, http://www.yofrankie.org/ looks to be one of the most polished OS games | 06:32 |
| ybit | ^my initial thought from glancing at the initial screenshots | 06:33 |
| willPow3r_ | it does look good for OS | 06:33 |
| ybit | but upon further examinsation, i'm not so sure. but yeah, for an OS game, it looks great | 06:33 |
| willPow3r_ | its definitely a step in the right direction | 06:34 |
| willPow3r_ | for os gaming | 06:34 |
| willPow3r_ | 34 euros? | 06:36 |
| ybit | eh? | 06:37 |
| willPow3r_ | that game costs $50 | 06:37 |
| ybit | it will be free i do believe | 06:37 |
| ybit | the dvd is to help the foundation | 06:38 |
| ybit | you don't have to purchase it | 06:38 |
| ybit | it's like http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/ | 06:38 |
| ybit | and elephant's dream previously before that | 06:39 |
| willPow3r_ | interesting | 06:42 |
| willPow3r_ | i knew blender had a game engine | 06:42 |
| willPow3r_ | but never really fiddled with it | 06:43 |
| ybit | i'm not sure how it works really, haven't messed with it, but i do know they also used crystal space | 06:45 |
| ybit | i bet wikipedia has the scoop | 06:45 |
| ybit | or not | 06:46 |
| willPow3r_ | http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/mu-mtl081408.php | 06:49 |
| fenn | uh, water + 1.2V = hydrogen + oxygen is nothing new? | 07:00 |
| fenn | dont you love watered down science reporting? | 07:01 |
| bkero | water + electricity = hydrogen + oxygen | 07:19 |
| bkero | Because I didn't use that as a kid to make hydrogen bombs. :) | 07:19 |
| willPow3r_ | "Whilst man has been able to split water into hydrogen and oxygen for years, we have been able to do the same thing for the first time using just sunlight, an electrical potential of 1.2 volts and the very chemical that nature has selected for this purpose," | 07:40 |
| willPow3r_ | the catalyst is what's important | 07:40 |
| bkero | How about we cut out the middle man and make a car that runs off of straight atp | 07:42 |
| bkero | I hear plants are pretty abundant. | 07:44 |
| willPow3r_ | bkero: sounds like you are referring to mr. fusion | 07:44 |
| bkero | Why would it need fusion? | 07:45 |
| willPow3r_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_capacitor#Flux_capacitor | 07:45 |
| bkero | BioEngine that uses ATP for fuel :) | 07:46 |
| bkero | Fuck internal combustion. I did away with that a long time ago. | 07:46 |
| willPow3r_ | so you ride a bike mostly then? | 07:47 |
| bkero | Electricity | 07:47 |
| bkero | I have an electric bike, and electric car. | 07:47 |
| willPow3r_ | i hope your electricity doesn't come from a coal-fired power plant. | 07:48 |
| fenn | bkero: plants are not very efficient.. something like 2-6% sunlight to sugar efficiency | 07:48 |
| bkero | I've got 1 800 watt solar cell | 07:48 |
| bkero | fenn: Could that be improved by genetic engineering? | 07:48 |
| fenn | yes | 07:49 |
| bkero | I'm sure it really varies depending on the environment too | 07:49 |
| bkero | A good internal combustion engine is 25% efficient. :P | 07:49 |
| bkero | Good electric motors are up to 95% mechanically efficient. | 07:50 |
| fenn | more than that i should hope | 07:50 |
| bkero | When you get to big brushless dc motors they're around 99% | 07:50 |
| fenn | the motor is only part of the system though | 07:50 |
| bkero | It really depends on the configuration too. You can make it more efficient of a motor by advancing the brushes, but that will destroy the motor if you ever try to use it as a generator to get electricity back. That's why a prius has 2 electric motors. | 07:51 |
| fenn | also must take into account losses in the drivetrain, batteries, controller, charging system, transmission lines, yadda | 07:51 |
| fenn | let's not talk about the prius | 07:52 |
| bkero | Drivetrain doesn't need to exist with a linear torque curve. With properly sized wires loss is negligable. | 07:52 |
| bkero | Charging systems are pretty inefficient for the first 10% and the last 8% | 07:52 |
| * bkero has made full-scale electric cars before. :P | 07:53 | |
| fenn | retrofitted right? | 07:53 |
| bkero | Yup | 07:53 |
| fenn | see, that sorta takes the fun out of it | 07:53 |
| bkero | 91 MR2 is my car | 07:53 |
| bkero | What? Would you rather I make it a tube frame? | 07:53 |
| fenn | its just that cars are totally designed around their engine | 07:54 |
| fenn | and electric motors let you get away from that mentality | 07:54 |
| bkero | They're also the cheapest turn-key solutions available. | 07:54 |
| bkero | I made it when I didn't have a lot of extra funds lying around. | 07:54 |
| bkero | 8" Advanced DC motor, 11 NiMH EV-1 batteries, 150A Zivan charger, Curtis controller | 07:55 |
| bkero | I rebuilt the "engine" in half an hour without ever doing it before. :) | 07:55 |
| fenn | how did you get ev-1 batteries? | 07:56 |
| bkero | I bought them from a guy | 07:56 |
| fenn | i thought they shredded them all | 07:56 |
| bkero | I didn't ask where he got them from--I presume they took some batteries out of some before crushing. | 07:57 |
| bkero | Probably because they posed a bad environmental impact. | 07:57 |
| bkero | (do they take lead-acids out of regular cars before crushing?) | 07:57 |
| fenn | yes | 07:57 |
| bkero | That would be it then. | 07:57 |
| fenn | how much did all that cost? | 07:57 |
| bkero | $800 for the motor and controller, $2500 for the batteries, $300 for the charger | 07:58 |
| bkero | $1500 for the transmission adapter | 07:58 |
| fenn | ouch | 07:58 |
| fenn | just a plate with some holes in it right? | 07:58 |
| bkero | and a fucking shit ton for motor mounts, wires, per-cell charging pcbs, and the battery rack | 07:58 |
| bkero | Yea. It's custom made though, and I wasn't about to machine it myself. | 07:59 |
| bkero | Heh, I'm not sure that I even needed to keep the transmission. The only 2 gears I ever use are 2nd and 3rd. | 08:00 |
| bkero | linear torque curves are awesome | 08:01 |
| fenn | somewhere down the project list is a three wheel electric "motorcycle" | 08:02 |
| bkero | Easy to do. I did it to my bicycle for around $200 | 08:02 |
| fenn | enclosed canopy | 08:02 |
| fenn | two seats, steam engine, etc | 08:02 |
| fenn | this would be more like a car, with a roll frame and capable of reaching highway speeds | 08:03 |
| fenn | i dont mind riding a bicycle around town | 08:04 |
| bkero | So you want to convert a trike | 08:04 |
| bkero | and put a top on it | 08:04 |
| fenn | no, this would be scratch built | 08:04 |
| bkero | Just buy a sparrow dude lol | 08:04 |
| bkero | My ex-girlfriend has one | 08:04 |
| bkero | 3 wheels, roof, roll cage, and I've personally taken it to 85mph | 08:04 |
| * fenn shudders | 08:04 | |
| fenn | wtf is that | 08:05 |
| fenn | it looks like something from a richard scarry book | 08:05 |
| bkero | This is the guy I bought the ev1 batteries from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oifK7tJfKT0 | 08:05 |
| bkero | Get a jellybean and not a pizza butt | 08:05 |
| fenn | http://www.thingamababy.com/photos/uncategorized/scarry2.jpg | 08:05 |
| bkero | Heh | 08:06 |
| bkero | Sparrows were made by the company Corbin, which was started by a bunch of disgruntled Harley Davidson engineers. | 08:06 |
| fenn | yeah i believe it | 08:07 |
| fenn | <- not a harley fan :P | 08:07 |
| bkero | 40 mile range, 85+mph, costs around $0.11 to fill up | 08:08 |
| bkero | tax breaks :D | 08:08 |
| bkero | and you're not sending your money to middle eastern countries | 08:08 |
| fenn | 1350 lbs is almost as much as my CRX | 08:14 |
| fenn | how is that even possible? | 08:15 |
| fenn | it must be made out of solid lead! | 08:15 |
| bkero | 13 lead acid batteries | 08:16 |
| bkero | Good big optima yellowtops | 08:16 |
| fenn | batteries are only 600 lbs of that | 08:16 |
| fenn | so what's the other 750 lbs? | 08:17 |
| bkero | wheels, motor, controller, brake assembly, and frame | 08:17 |
| bkero | The frame is aluminum with a composite body. | 08:17 |
| bkero | and your crx is slightly more than 1350. :P | 08:18 |
| fenn | 1715 stock, and i removed some pieces :P | 08:18 |
| bkero | 1715 stock dry | 08:18 |
| bkero | Take it to a scale and I bet it's almost 2k | 08:19 |
| fenn | meh | 08:19 |
| fenn | anyway, the point is that _thing_ weighs almost as much as a full size car | 08:19 |
| bkero | CRX's aren't full sized cars | 08:20 |
| bkero | It weighs well under half of most full sized cars. | 08:20 |
| fenn | bah | 08:20 |
| bkero | The only cars that I can think of around 1800 are CRXs and 1st gen GTIs. | 08:20 |
| bkero | Most cars are 2800 upwards | 08:20 |
| bkero | The 91 MR2 weighs almost 3200lbs stock | 08:21 |
| bkero | Around 800 of that is the engine :P | 08:21 |
| bkero | Insights make really good conversions thanks to their aluminum frames and small size. | 08:22 |
| fenn | and they're all star-trekky too | 08:23 |
| bkero | I'be seen absolutely horrendous looking insight trunks filled with A123 cells and chargers | 08:23 |
| fenn | wouldnt it make more sense to put the batteries in the engine compartment? | 08:29 |
| bkero | Not when you have 100+ A123 cells | 08:29 |
| fenn | how many gallons is that? :) | 08:29 |
| bkero | Plus it wasn't really finalized I think | 08:29 |
| bkero | Gallons of what? | 08:29 |
| fenn | volume | 08:30 |
| * bkero shrugs. | 08:30 | |
| bkero | It was 2 layers of insight trunk layed out | 08:30 |
| bkero | laid out | 08:30 |
| bkero | Why would in the engine compartment be better? | 08:30 |
| fenn | for one it would keep the weight distribution more like the original | 08:31 |
| fenn | and if the batteries explode or vent gas it's not in the passenger compartment | 08:31 |
| fenn | and you get to keep the trunk | 08:31 |
| bkero | Batteries in the trunk give it a weight distribution closer to 50/50 than the original | 08:32 |
| fenn | is that good though? | 08:32 |
| bkero | He could just put another board on top of the 2nd layer of batteries/chargers and have a trunk again | 08:32 |
| bkero | 50/50 weight distribution is good for cornering, but isn't going to affect fuel economy at all. | 08:32 |
| bkero | My MR2 originally had 35/65 weight distribution. Which makes things very squirrely and fun. It's like driving a giant styrofoam penis with lead balls | 08:34 |
| fenn | hmm doesn't sound very fun to me | 08:34 |
| bkero | Oversteer doesn't sound like fun? | 08:35 |
| fenn | i want a car to go where i point it | 08:35 |
| fenn | having weight over the steer/drive wheels just seems like a good idea | 08:36 |
| bkero | Not really | 08:37 |
| bkero | That just hurts braking performance and causes understeer | 08:37 |
| bkero | Which is exactly what you don't want. | 08:37 |
| fenn | why does it hurt braking performance? | 08:37 |
| bkero | Because it fucks with the suspension doing weight shifts under heavy braking | 08:39 |
| fenn | most of the mass should be below the wheel centerline | 08:39 |
| bkero | Depends on the car | 08:39 |
| bkero | With 240sx's and eclipses they're not | 08:40 |
| fenn | (if you are putting batteries in the engine compartment) | 08:40 |
| bkero | The reason people use 240sx's so much for drifting is because there's so much weight in the front that it's very easy to break the rear end out. | 08:40 |
| fenn | ok, i'm talking about an electric car with front wheel drive | 08:41 |
| fenn | sorry if that wasn't clear | 08:41 |
| bkero | With electric cars you want an equal weight distribution because of spring rates. | 08:42 |
| fenn | god how did they manage to make the insight even heavier than a CRX | 08:42 |
| bkero | By putting electric motors and airbags and safety features in it | 08:42 |
| bkero | ALL new cars are heavy as shit | 08:42 |
| bkero | They're absolutely stupid. I don't need 10 airbags to feel safe. | 08:42 |
| fenn | i'd rather have a good CrMo roll cage | 08:43 |
| bkero | Roll cages kill people in accidents. :P | 08:43 |
| fenn | pff | 08:43 |
| fenn | i'll take my chances with a harness + roll cage over being squished flat any day | 08:43 |
| bkero | Before converting the MR2 I raced it in SCCA Solo2. | 08:43 |
| bkero | Cars don't squish flat in accidents. | 08:44 |
| fenn | yes they do | 08:44 |
| bkero | That's what crumple zones and A pillars are for. | 08:44 |
| bkero | My car has 5 firewalls. :P | 08:44 |
| fenn | oh re: star-trekky insight, it was the s2000 speedometer i was thinking of | 08:49 |
| bkero | lol honda making a rwd car | 08:49 |
| fenn | http://images.importtuner.com/features/0401it_15z+2001_Honda_S2000+Interior_View_Speedometer.jpg | 08:50 |
| fenn | not that a tachometer would be of much use.. | 08:50 |
| fenn | i'll shut up now | 08:50 |
| bkero | ampmeters are nice | 08:52 |
| fenn | http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05_04/FlattenedCarG_850x649.jpg | 08:55 |
| bkero | Totally worried about that happening in traffic | 08:55 |
| bkero | Do you live in sheepfuckistan or something? | 08:55 |
| fenn | actually a tree fell on my first CRX, wasn't quite so bad as that though | 08:57 |
| bkero | lol | 09:02 |
| fenn | this one's not so much flat as rolled up into a little ball: http://www.daylife.com/photo/0di66uY45S5Rx | 09:04 |
| bkero | hahaha awesome | 09:05 |
| fenn | did you know roll cage + harness is illegal to drive on public roads? supposedly because you'd get stuck more easily than with a seatbelt | 09:05 |
| fenn | nevermind the whole not getting killed in the first place thing | 09:06 |
| bkero | Yup | 09:06 |
| bkero | and because even with padding, hitting a rollcage in an accident will break your bones. | 09:06 |
| fenn | ... that's what the harness is for? | 09:06 |
| fenn | and you can have airbags too if you're a wingnut | 09:07 |
| bkero | Even with harnesses you're still suseptable to lateral motion. | 09:07 |
| * bkero had 5-point harnesses in his car | 09:07 | |
| bkero | Very easy to bolt to the firewall | 09:07 |
| * fenn mumbles something about phased array maser powered helicopters | 09:11 | |
| bkero | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Brushless-Etek-Motor-and-36VDC-Sevcon-Controller-NIB_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ46093QQihZ003QQitemZ130246906982QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW | 09:12 |
| bkero | I built a small electric motorcycle out of those | 09:12 |
| bkero | oh god manly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5vgWVdU-XQ | 09:14 |
| kanzure | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-07-10-n25.html Google Lively | 09:34 |
| fenn | *wank* | 09:34 |
| fenn | google reinvents the wheel for the twentieth time | 09:35 |
| kanzure | http://www.brothers-brick.com/2008/07/23/bridge-from-singularity-sky/ <-- Lego | 09:37 |
| kanzure | hurry for wheels | 09:37 |
| * kanzure has been hearing about "wheels" a lot at the sf con he's been going to | 09:37 | |
| kanzure | which is very, very wrong | 09:37 |
| fenn | why is what wrong? | 09:40 |
| fenn | guess i have to read 'singularity sky' now | 09:41 |
| kanzure | 'wheel of _blank_' is a common fantasy saga title | 09:50 |
| kanzure | and there's these stupid fantasy people at a science fiction conference | 09:50 |
| kanzure | in a discussion about Clarke, half the people were dressed as gnomes or something | 09:50 |
| kanzure | or maybe they just naturally look like that. | 09:50 |
| fenn | oh, i see | 09:51 |
| fenn | why do fantasy and sf get lumped in the same category? | 09:51 |
| kanzure | fuck if I know | 09:52 |
| kanzure | the clumping irritates me | 09:52 |
| kanzure | don't get me wrong, there can be some good fantasy out there I guess | 09:52 |
| kanzure | but it's not what I'm looking for when I look for science fiction | 09:52 |
| kanzure | although, I did just get a copy of 'Silicon Mage', which is a weird "Silicon Brotherhood" sort of crossover between the two .. hrm. | 09:52 |
| fenn | well you can have SF detective mysteries too, but that doesnt mean you have a bunch of dick tracy guys wandering around your SF convention | 09:53 |
| kanzure | 'Nevertheless, she had to save him. Suraklin was planning to gain immortality by placing his mind in a computer that would get its power by draining the life-force from all on both worlds, dooming everyone to eternal misery and hopelessness. And only Antryg was strong enough a wizard to challenge the Dark Mage.' | 09:53 |
| fenn | hmm "the use of self-replicating objects" is outlawed in google lively | 09:56 |
| kanzure | I also fetched 'Once upon a galaxy', sf fairytales | 09:57 |
| kanzure | or spacepirate tales or whatever the equivalent translation is | 09:57 |
| * kanzure found himself using the name 'DNA pirates' to refer earlier today to people torrenting genomes. | 09:57 | |
| fenn | lol | 09:57 |
| kanzure | guess we call those whores | 09:57 |
| kanzure | or reversewhores or something | 09:57 |
| kanzure | http://nesteduniverse.net/events.html ai-related events/conferences ... somebody did their homework :) | 09:59 |
| fenn | seems like charles stross is more about aggregating ideas from other SF authors than coming up with his own | 10:22 |
| fenn | that's not necessarily a bad thing, but i'd rather read about it from the original source first | 10:23 |
| kanzure | yep | 10:48 |
| kanzure | it's why I don't actually read him | 10:48 |
| nsh | http://impromptu.moso.com.au/gallery.html | 16:28 |
| kanzure | so apparently Clarke is famous among his friends for sending "ego grams" where he just dumps everything he's been working on in his local short term memory to a paper and just sends that as his "what I've been up to" response letter. | 22:49 |
| kanzure | doesn't sound like a bad idea, coming up with these them 'egograms'. | 22:49 |
| kanzure | Something I picked up on today: Revelation in a World of Science: A Comparison of Revelation in Paul Tillich’s Systematic Theology / AG Latner - MA Thesis. Graduate Theological Union, 1985 / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tillich / http://www.sff.net/people/alexis-latner/ | 22:57 |
| nsh | hrm | 23:00 |
| nsh | why do you always post interesting things when i've used up all my brainpower for the day, kanzure? | 23:00 |
| kanzure | don't get me wrong, my brainpower is dwindling too | 23:02 |
| kanzure | I really should be sleeping right now | 23:02 |
| * nsh too | 23:02 | |
| kanzure | but I'm trying to figure out quantifications of the effectiveness of recombinational methodologies where 'recombination' is more about the recombination of forked (physical) processes (not really just on my computer). | 23:03 |
| kanzure | I guess it's just compiler optimization still where the most effective methods will be the most elegant / 'efficient' etc. but that doesn't tell you anything about how to actually write the code necessary for | 23:04 |
| kanzure | hrm, I haven't filled you guys in on the context | 23:04 |
| * kanzure scurries off to eat some dinner | 23:04 | |
| nsh | mmm, monadic | 23:05 |
| kanzure | ? | 23:05 |
| nsh | monads | 23:06 |
| nsh | non-sequencial code wrapping | 23:06 |
| kanzure | sort of | 23:23 |
| kanzure | so here's what I'm talking about | 23:23 |
| kanzure | hrm, this is hard | 23:24 |
| fenn | anything is stated simply enough when you design the entire language around it | 23:31 |
| nsh | fenn++ | 23:34 |
| kanzure | I've been able to make skdb do the eukaryote story, at least in my head, but I haven't the guarantee that you will be able to immediately productively go along various paths of recombination with various 'weird stuff you sniff up' /unless/ you have a ridiculous amount of time to sit around and work on esoteric interfaces | 23:34 |
| kanzure | or, put another way, | 23:35 |
| nsh | yes pls do | 23:35 |
| kanzure | suppose you've grounded your social context with some backup clone generators and artificial wombs or womanly wombs and such, and you have your little clones running around getting stuffs for you, you don't have the guarantee that they will necessarily care .. I'm not looking for a way to use an iron fist here, just a way to .. not waste time. | 23:35 |
| kanzure | by 'care' I mean contribute back to send you patches and new stuff to 'recombine with' just as the cell took with it the mitochondria etc. and other viruses etc. | 23:36 |
| fenn | i thought you already had decided that biological systems were hard to program | 23:36 |
| kanzure | I have a way that 'kids' could send updates to their parent-node in a patch submission scheme, perhaps built off of the idea of neurotech + working with neuroplasticity rules + the neuronal basis of instincts (yeah, weird, I know -- but no 'meme=perception' transfer stuff here, I don't need that (but I'd be glad to get it of course)) | 23:38 |
| kanzure | parenting with the iron fist of this-is-what-you-shall-become is incorrect and generally fails and is not worth lying to yourself about the construction of new brains to do your bidding | 23:39 |
| kanzure | and you're right that programming of these sub-brain thingies would be ridiculously hard :) | 23:40 |
| kanzure | I mean, you could wire them up to Skinner boxes and make them all go through the same exact stimulatory routines through development, but it's still probabilistic and I refuse to leave things up to 'chance' (whatever the hell that is) | 23:40 |
| kanzure | now, I was figuring that if neural networks are really just a sneaky way of doing code optimization, then you could theoretically select for the "lesser of the two evils" and just support either MEA + neural tissue pods that do interesting stuff and toss the rest, but that doesn't seem to fit | 23:41 |
| kanzure | I know this is rather dense and it's not really supposed to make sense yet since I don't have it completely hashed out | 23:42 |
| fenn | hash away | 23:43 |
| fenn | it all sounds familiar to me i guess | 23:44 |
| * nsh will read tomorrow | 23:44 | |
| nsh | must sleep brain now | 23:45 |
| kanzure | I wonder if calling it linkbacks in meiosis is legitimate | 23:45 |
| kanzure | just sprang to mind, it might not be the same thing | 23:45 |
| kanzure | by 'linkback' I mean 'the patch is, in fact, sent back' | 23:46 |
| kanzure | I think that I need to reconsider how much information processing a pile of neurons in goo is going to be doing ... suppose the brainfarms, or the simulations even, of networks - I don't actually have evidence that your simulation of a small group of neurons for feature recognition on news articles (or something) is going to fail to respond because it wants to do something else. :p | 23:50 |
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