| --- Day changed Sat Sep 20 2008 | ||
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_annealing | 01:09 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/SAGA_hybrids.pdf SA/GA hybrids. "[EAV91] introduces a generic method similar to this one and shows that SA (simulated annealing) can be viewed as a special case of GA (genetic algorithms) with population size 1 where the only operator is mutation". | 01:29 |
| kanzure | http://portal.acm.org/toc.cfm?id=SERIES9612&type=series&coll=GUIDE&dl=GUIDE&CFID=3419166&CFTOKEN=30177381 table of contents of stuff that clearly should be pirated | 01:36 |
| kanzure | especially since it's talk like a pirate day | 01:36 |
| Nofaris_ | :) | 02:26 |
| bkero | I'll pirate you. | 02:40 |
| -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] | 02:40 | |
| bkero | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gilsqkmOF4s | 02:46 |
| willPow3r | i tried to convince my gf to talk like a pirate in mandarin | 15:15 |
| willPow3r | but the effort was in vain | 15:15 |
| kanzure | Hi all. | 17:48 |
| kanzure | Chinese pirates still exist, you know, willPow3r | 17:49 |
| elias` | I'm looking for some small-ish laptop for lecture notes and such, any recommendations? | 18:08 |
| willPow3r | elias`: http://www.switched.com/2008/05/05/lenovo-u110-hands-on-and-overview/ | 18:09 |
| willPow3r | i have one of these (in red though) and love it | 18:10 |
| willPow3r | i use it and a wacom for all note taking etc | 18:10 |
| willPow3r | pdf versions of my books are found online via torrents | 18:10 |
| willPow3r | so all i carry to school is a 3 lb laptop, 1 lb wacom, and a binder for handouts etc | 18:11 |
| ybit | hp 2133 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_2133_Mini-Note_PC | 18:11 |
| ybit | msi wind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSI_Wind_PC | 18:11 |
| ybit | asus eee pc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_EeePC | 18:12 |
| ybit | i'm going to get one of those for next semester | 18:12 |
| ybit | i have been taking notes on my old thinkpad t41, but 11lbs is too much to lug around with my other books. my backpack weighs 27lbs according to the scales yesterday | 18:13 |
| ybit | i find it odd that i'm the only one taking notes with a laptop in class | 18:13 |
| willPow3r | i hear these are cost effective: http://olpc.com/pictures.html | 18:14 |
| ybit | ah yes, glad you mentioned it willPow3r | 18:14 |
| ybit | i would really like one of those, especially for the viewable screen outside | 18:14 |
| willPow3r | yeah, so would i | 18:14 |
| ybit | they are supposed to be on sale soon | 18:15 |
| ybit | kind of like last year where you buy one for about $350 and they donate one | 18:15 |
| willPow3r | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7599652.stm | 18:15 |
| willPow3r | i'm going to steal one of those OLPC laptops from an african child if i ever travel there | 18:28 |
| kanzure | hey, quick heads up guys | 18:32 |
| kanzure | does anyone remember my concept of 'wikipeding' ? | 18:32 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Wikipeding | 18:32 |
| kanzure | people may be coming in here under the assumption that this is #wikipeding | 18:32 |
| kanzure | hm, there's a #freeculture | 18:35 |
| kanzure | Hey mindspillage | 18:36 |
| * mindspillage waves | 18:36 | |
| kanzure | ybit: 11 lbs is hardly enough to lug around. And a T41 comes in handy in class. | 18:36 |
| kanzure | As long as it doesn't have a fan, that is. | 18:36 |
| kanzure | I was sitting next to a fellow yesterday who has this fan that revs every time he loads a page in Firefox | 18:36 |
| kanzure | And my fan is constantly going, so I just use other people's laptops (in exchange for word-for-word notes) in class | 18:37 |
| willPow3r | probably needs to clean his cpu heatsink/fan | 18:37 |
| kanzure | maybe | 18:37 |
| kanzure | But how do you explain my situation? ;-) | 18:37 |
| willPow3r | what is your situation? | 18:37 |
| kanzure | Two giant fans underneath and dualcore Intel | 18:37 |
| willPow3r | oh, nm | 18:37 |
| ybit | :P | 18:37 |
| kanzure | willPow3r: Fans constantly on, you can hear them across any room it's in | 18:38 |
| willPow3r | your laptop weighs 11 lbs? | 18:38 |
| ybit | mine does | 18:38 |
| willPow3r | wtf | 18:38 |
| ybit | yeah | 18:38 |
| willPow3r | does it fit in your backpack? | 18:38 |
| kanzure | http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/M675/3501731sp75.shtml | 18:38 |
| ybit | yep | 18:38 |
| kanzure | 8.8 pounds | 18:38 |
| willPow3r | i thought gateway == chapter 11 | 18:39 |
| willPow3r | guess not | 18:39 |
| willPow3r | kanzure, you could get one of those laptop cooler pads | 18:39 |
| kanzure | Oh crap, where am I going to get replacement power cords? These things break all the time. I've had to hotwire three or four of them together at one point since they break all the time in different ways. | 18:39 |
| kanzure | willPow3r: Yeah, I've had one since 2006 underneath the laptop everywhere I go. Except, sometime in 2007 it broke and no longer has the USB connection, so I've been lugging around dead hardware. Oops. | 18:40 |
| willPow3r | hmm | 18:40 |
| willPow3r | no chance for a new laptop altogether? | 18:40 |
| ybit | okay, mine weighs 5lbs | 18:40 |
| ybit | just pit on the scales | 18:40 |
| willPow3r | i was going to say | 18:40 |
| willPow3r | i used to have a 7 lb laptop that was built in 02 | 18:41 |
| willPow3r | with a P4/2.8 GHz | 18:41 |
| willPow3r | that thing was so noisy and a total PITA to carry around | 18:41 |
| ybit | ah, it was phreedom who made a joke about my laptop weighing 11lbs, that's what i was recalling, anyway 5lb+ is too much | 18:41 |
| willPow3r | but just replaced it with a lenovo u110 ultraportable | 18:41 |
| willPow3r | 11.1" screen, 3 lbs, 5 hr charge | 18:42 |
| kanzure | 5 hr charge? Gah. | 18:42 |
| willPow3r | thats with heavy use | 18:42 |
| kanzure | but yes, P4/2.6 GHz. | 18:42 |
| kanzure | So it was probably also 2002. | 18:42 |
| kanzure | Who puts a P4 in a laptop anyway? | 18:42 |
| kanzure | That's a bad idea. | 18:42 |
| willPow3r | dell | 18:42 |
| willPow3r | it was good for a desktop replacement | 18:43 |
| ybit | willPow3r: u110 up = very nice | 18:43 |
| * ybit likey | 18:43 | |
| kanzure | Yeah, my up time is 1 hr. | 18:43 |
| willPow3r | yes, i love it | 18:43 |
| * kanzure goes back to reading about simulated annealing | 18:43 | |
| ybit | max uptime here without suspending it is ~3-4hrs | 18:43 |
| * willPow3r heads to IKEA | 18:44 | |
| willPow3r | ybit, thats not bad really | 18:44 |
| ybit | no, i was surprised | 18:44 |
| willPow3r | bet you still can't get through a dvd though | 18:44 |
| ybit | heh, that's true | 18:44 |
| ybit | mostly because my dvd player doesn't even work now :P | 18:44 |
| willPow3r | can you just pull it out and not have to carry around the extra weight? | 18:45 |
| ybit | thought about it | 18:45 |
| ybit | but then i don't want to put duck tape on my lappy to cover a hole | 18:45 |
| willPow3r | why not? duct tape is stylish these days | 18:45 |
| willPow3r | esp when holding together high tech electronics | 18:46 |
| ybit | looks slightly redneck, and i'm already in the heart of the south | 18:46 |
| ybit | hehe | 18:46 |
| kanzure | ybit: Just run some CFD simulations all the time and be lost deep in thought. You'll look mad scientist instead of redneck. | 18:46 |
| ybit | ^_^ | 18:46 |
| mindspillage | Use black duct tape. That's what I do. :-) | 18:47 |
| willPow3r | or you could get some parachute pants and grow a beard and be like de Grey | 18:47 |
| kanzure | http://news.ucf.edu/UCFnews/index?page=article&id=00240041039ca8f29011b0d8a566806b65&mode=news <-- Another university has a biodiesel project of their own. Started w/ 3 students. Produces 60 gallons every 2 days. Uses left-over vegetable oil. | 18:47 |
| kanzure | Which is odd since that's our biodiesel project's plan too. Oops. | 18:47 |
| kanzure | Except we're planning to do about 2,000 gallons/yr. | 18:47 |
| kanzure | So they're doing about 10 times as much as what we're thinking of doing. | 18:48 |
| kanzure | Oh well. | 18:48 |
| kanzure | 'Although one of the students' reactors will remain on campus to fuel the university's fleet, some of them have systems in their garages that will continue to power their vehicles and serve as the base for their new company's operations' | 18:48 |
| ybit | willPow3r: is linux running on your lappy? | 18:52 |
| willPow3r | not on my new one | 18:52 |
| ybit | ah, so you have retained the "face recognition biometric logins" feature | 18:52 |
| willPow3r | the x3100 chipset drivers hadn't been developed yet on ubuntu | 18:52 |
| willPow3r | that visual recognition is really more of a nonfunctional selling point | 18:53 |
| kanzure | How is it a selling point, then? | 18:53 |
| willPow3r | i took it off since it increased startup time by like, 5 mins | 18:53 |
| willPow3r | kanzure: it's on the product features list? | 18:53 |
| kanzure | Wouldn't people point out that it fails to work? | 18:54 |
| willPow3r | since i use my laptop mostly in low-light situations, it couldn't recognize my face | 18:54 |
| willPow3r | but most corporate users probably wouldn't have problems at all with it | 18:55 |
| willPow3r | as you can see, my work environment is somewhat dark: http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/hackers11.jpg | 18:58 |
| willPow3r | http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/images/hackers08.jpg too | 18:59 |
| ybit | where do you wrok again? | 19:00 |
| ybit | it looks like a retro 90s chuck-e-cheese playplace | 19:00 |
| ybit | but slightly cooler | 19:00 |
| willPow3r | http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/movie/decade/1990-1999/hackers/ | 19:00 |
| willPow3r | heh | 19:00 |
| ybit | ah :P | 19:01 |
| ybit | hackers | 19:01 |
| ybit | that movie was..meh | 19:01 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/quotes.html#successful_designer <-- Something I found in an ancient book in the library. | 19:01 |
| willPow3r | ftw | 19:01 |
| ybit | hehe | 19:01 |
| ybit | it was alright | 19:01 |
| kanzure | willPow3r: Is that a link to the Hackers setup? | 19:01 |
| willPow3r | yea, with that amazing new 3d filesystem explorer | 19:02 |
| kanzure | No, I guess it isn't. | 19:02 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/interfaces.html | 19:02 |
| willPow3r | i saw that page of yours | 19:02 |
| ybit | the matrix setup is my fav so far | 19:03 |
| willPow3r | i'll stick w/ thunar tho for now | 19:03 |
| willPow3r | fsck. late^2. bbl | 19:06 |
| kanzure | willPow3r: You've been up for four days, what do you mean "late" ? :) | 19:09 |
| willPow3r | i'm supposed to take my gf to ikea @ 10, which was 2 hrs 12 mins ago | 19:12 |
| kanzure | 'Author Joe Haldeman, in his science fiction novel The Forever War, describes fluid being introduced into all 7 natural orifices in the human body, and one surgically-added connection, through which the thoracic cavity would be filled and drained. In such a situation, the fluid in the lungs would have to be pumped in and out to provide an inspiration/expiration cycle (total liquid ventilation). Alternatively blood could be oxygenated extracorporeal | 19:29 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing#Space_travel | 19:29 |
| kanzure | (because I was mentioning the Iron Man suit to a buddy, he brought that up) | 19:30 |
| kanzure | http://www.matweb.com/WebServices/Materials.asmx?op=FindMaterials | 20:44 |
| kanzure | Woah, are they actually using SOAP? | 20:44 |
| kanzure | I'm somewhat impressed | 20:44 |
| kanzure | this is a somewhat challenging site | 20:51 |
| fenn | this guy has a nice worldview (too bad part 2 is missing from web archive): http://web.archive.org/web/20060706154616/danimalarchive.blogspot.com/ | 22:34 |
| fenn | bonus points for whoever figures out of i'm being sarcastic or not | 22:35 |
| kanzure | fenn's back? | 22:36 |
| * kanzure tries for nsh now | 22:36 | |
| fenn | hello. hurricane ike got me (see phone line under tree in foreground): http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0818.JPG | 22:37 |
| kanzure | '"The initial organization of the brain does not rely that much on experience...Nature provides a first draft, which experience that revies...'Built-in' does not mean unmalleable; it means organized in advance of experience." (Marcus, 2004)' | 22:38 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:38 |
| kanzure | fenn: "don't die" is a good idea, fwiw | 22:38 |
| kanzure | you missed NY Times Magazine being interested in #hplusroadmap | 22:39 |
| fenn | lol i can see the headlines now | 22:41 |
| kanzure | re: ike? you were kind of the subject of those headlines, I think you knew before the newspapers did | 22:41 |
| fenn | er, what? why are you playing into my paranoid delusion fantasies? | 22:43 |
| fenn | logs! warrrrg | 22:44 |
| kanzure | you want the logs? | 22:45 |
| fenn | it would help me to understand what you're talking about maybe? | 22:45 |
| kanzure | not re: ny times, he actually just came in and idled for a day or so | 22:45 |
| kanzure | fenn: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/logs.zip | 22:47 |
| kanzure | log formats suck, btw | 22:47 |
| kanzure | ybit: Thanks for the heads up. | 22:50 |
| kanzure | Mind contacted me wanting a chat on the spot | 22:50 |
| kanzure | to his ustream channel | 22:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-evening-update | 22:52 |
| kanzure | hm, on the ustream video of Kaku's silly BBC series, there's a lab that decided to do regenerative tissue growth via mounting tissues on balloons as a growing scaffold for shape | 22:56 |
| ybit | he wants to give you an interview now? [kanzure] | 23:03 |
| kanzure | about 30 minutes ago | 23:03 |
| kanzure | had to fiddle with the microphone | 23:03 |
| ybit | awesome | 23:03 |
| kanzure | he left before I got it working | 23:03 |
| ybit | glad he finally got around to interviewing you | 23:03 |
| ybit | grr | 23:03 |
| ybit | there should be a national speak in Python day ;) | 23:06 |
| kanzure | does anyone remember the old theorem solvers that people called ai? | 23:14 |
| kanzure | was there ever a study of just automatically generating all possible proofs up to some size? | 23:16 |
| kanzure | http://metamath.org/ or something | 23:16 |
| kanzure | ' Essentially everything that is possible to know in mathematics can be derived from a handful of axioms known as Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory, which is the culmination of many years of effort to isolate the essential nature of mathematics and is one of the most profound achievements of mankind. ' | 23:17 |
| kanzure | "everything that is possible to know in mathematics" | 23:17 |
| kanzure | why is there only 8000 steps in the db? | 23:18 |
| kanzure | ' the Metamath Proof Explorer has over 8,000 completely worked out proofs in logic and set theory,' | 23:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: I do not understand the danimalarchive link. He jumps from rape in marriage to silly iraq stuff to .. | 23:20 |
| fenn | its a collection of snippets from his usenet postings | 23:22 |
| fenn | i was always suspicious of math proofs | 23:23 |
| kanzure | math in general is suspicous | 23:23 |
| kanzure | the way that it's taught in classrooms is ridiculous | 23:23 |
| kanzure | and why isn't all of math ML'erized yet? mathml and such | 23:25 |
| kanzure | latex, even | 23:25 |
| * fenn would like something readable | 23:25 | |
| kanzure | oh, the twobits.net author showed up on the diybio mailing list | 23:26 |
| fenn | apparently people from asian cultures occasionally use chinese characters as symbols in their equations | 23:26 |
| kanzure | bastards | 23:26 |
| kanzure | fenn also see #diybio | 23:34 |
| kanzure | maradydd used to work at IDT and has been growing some cultures in her -80 c fridge she scoped off of craigslist | 23:34 |
| kanzure | she's also the latest person to download the git repository and yell at me for how badly it needs to be fixed | 23:35 |
| fenn | i hope you had your deflector dish aimed properly | 23:36 |
| kanzure | hm? | 23:40 |
| kanzure | oh, yes | 23:40 |
| kanzure | I was just happy enough that somebody from diybio.org agrees with me about repositories | 23:40 |
| kanzure | she knows somebody doing something like /exp.html except he's working mainly on "interfaces between parts". I've contacted him, but he hasn't replied yet | 23:41 |
| kanzure | so, fenn, I've been back to trying to do matweb.com | 23:56 |
| kanzure | erm | 23:56 |
| kanzure | this didn't work out well | 23:56 |
| kanzure | am trying to zip my work up | 23:56 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/matweb/matweb.zip has everything | 23:57 |
| kanzure | including a log made by wireshark, the tcp spy program | 23:57 |
| kanzure | in particular I'm just starting with http://www.matweb.com/search/MaterialGroupSearch.aspx | 23:58 |
| kanzure | just trying to retrieve the index that they display there | 23:58 |
| kanzure | they are using a combination of AJAX and ASP and shared namespaces that make me think they might know what they're doing (in their mission of obfuscation) | 23:58 |
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