| --- Day changed Sat Sep 27 2008 | ||
| kanzure | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=957787&l=61ea0&id=644717755 <-- Where Eric Hunting is hiding out these days. | 00:31 |
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| kanzure | hrm, isabelle's birthday tomorrow | 00:44 |
| kanzure | which one of you knows her? is it willPow3r? | 00:44 |
| kanzure | monroe phoned me | 00:46 |
| ybit | http://electro.mthn.net:8400 -- electronic music, nonstop for the past 2 hours | 01:35 |
| * ybit likey | 01:36 | |
| kanzure | hrm | 01:46 |
| kanzure | I need to add that to http://heybryan.org/music2/internet/ | 01:47 |
| kanzure | or maybe it's http://heybryan.org/music2/radio/ | 01:47 |
| kanzure | ybit: I'll listen soon, I'm (for some reason?) watching presidential debates | 01:48 |
| kanzure | it's somewhat entertaining to see how the candidates ignore each other | 01:48 |
| fenn | primate psychology | 01:48 |
| kanzure | yes, monkeys are entertaining, it's true | 01:50 |
| ybit | :) | 01:51 |
| fenn | politician's job is to fool us into thinking he's a good "leader" which is derived from evolutionary pack behavior | 01:52 |
| fenn | but 99% of the actual work they are supposed to do is an optimization algorithm | 01:52 |
| kanzure | in what sense? | 01:53 |
| fenn | so that's why there are massive "cabinets" etc | 01:53 |
| kanzure | optimization of vetoing? | 01:53 |
| kanzure | right, compartmentalized specialists | 01:53 |
| ybit | if anyone is listening to the radio station now, uh, it's playing some cheesy early 90s (too sexy for my body) type music o.O | 01:55 |
| fenn | is that a good thing? | 01:55 |
| ybit | haha, not at all | 01:55 |
| ybit | it was a matrix-like rhythm playing for a good while | 01:55 |
| * ybit loads the matrix soundtracks | 01:56 | |
| fenn | woah.. (garlic + leek)-aftertaste + vanilla ice-cream = super weird | 02:02 |
| ybit | hmm | 02:46 |
| ybit | apparently the guy i met on campus runs plan 9 and has 5-7 servers and is a commodore diehard with 4 amigas | 02:47 |
| ybit | invited him to this channel | 02:48 |
| ybit | runs plan 9 on his mail/web server* | 02:49 |
| ybit | and this http://www.evilshare.com/4857fb58-dd8f-102b-bdf3-0007e90cfb90 was one of his recent assignments | 02:51 |
| ybit | just for everyone's info | 02:51 |
| kanzure | what is it? | 02:51 |
| kanzure | teh page is not really loading for me | 02:51 |
| ybit | "modeling immune response to HIV with chemotherapy treatment" | 02:52 |
| fenn | is there a reason you chose such an obnoxious file sharing site? | 02:52 |
| ybit | heh | 02:53 |
| ybit | any better ones? | 02:53 |
| kanzure | uh | 02:53 |
| kanzure | what happened to you have a server right next to you? | 02:53 |
| ybit | it's still right next to me | 02:53 |
| ybit | on the groud | 02:53 |
| ybit | dying | 02:53 |
| kanzure | bah | 02:53 |
| ybit | i'm still unsure what the problem is :| | 02:53 |
| fenn | death is no excuse! | 02:54 |
| ybit | :P | 02:54 |
| kanzure | tis merely a flesh wound! | 02:55 |
| kanzure | bah, shouted.fm doesn't display the current track title | 02:56 |
| ybit | http://www.mediafire.com/?0d9xmbwydlw -- that might be better | 02:57 |
| ybit | come back! i'll bite your legs off! | 02:58 |
| kanzure | and why can't you use your current machine? | 02:58 |
| fenn | wants to inject spy cookies into my browser - hah! | 02:58 |
| ybit | kanzure: because openvz isn't installed | 02:59 |
| fenn | for future reference http://filebin.ca/ is non-hostile | 03:00 |
| ybit | ah, now that's much more sane | 03:00 |
| kanzure | a *-bin? huh. | 03:01 |
| fenn | it almost reminds you of the time when data was data | 03:01 |
| kanzure | but then stabs you in the eye? | 03:01 |
| ybit | :) | 03:01 |
| kanzure | oh, it doesn't | 03:02 |
| ybit | fenn, kanzure, you do use virtualization for your servers, right? | 03:03 |
| kanzure | vmware and bochs and such? | 03:03 |
| kanzure | No. | 03:03 |
| fenn | no | 03:03 |
| ybit | huh | 03:04 |
| fenn | openvz is neat but it reminds me too much of work | 03:05 |
| kanzure | just through up an *ftpd | 03:05 |
| kanzure | oh | 03:05 |
| kanzure | nevermind, it's fenn and not ybit | 03:05 |
| fenn | DCC | 03:06 |
| fenn | uuencode and paste in channel | 03:06 |
| kanzure | Heh. | 03:06 |
| fenn | three hours later and i _still_ dont know the beagleboard dimensions | 03:07 |
| ybit | alright | 03:09 |
| ybit | ctl-q is inconvenient | 03:10 |
| ybit | was saying that, kanzure, dcc sent you the file because i thought you were the only one having problems with the file upload site | 03:11 |
| ybit | anywho | 03:11 |
| kanzure | oh, i got it then. | 03:12 |
| ybit | that time konversation crashed | 03:15 |
| ybit | heh, so yeah.. i'll think about not using virtualization | 03:15 |
| ybit | hmm, i need to get some work done. bbl | 03:15 |
| wrldpc2 | later ybit | 03:16 |
| kanzure | so, if I wanted to represent HTML as a graph, obviously a hierarchical tree, how would I store that data? should I just do a bruteforce array to associate an ID to a type of HTML element ? | 03:22 |
| kanzure | sounds hackish. | 03:22 |
| kanzure | grr | 03:23 |
| kanzure | so, if I wanted to represent HTML as a graph, obviously a hierarchical tree, how would I store that data? should I just do a bruteforce array to associate an ID to a type of HTML element ? | 03:23 |
| kanzure | sounds hackish. | 03:23 |
| spookact | not exactly sure what you mean, but why not just store it as a tree? or did you need mean to serialize it? | 03:28 |
| spookact | ^re: kanzure | 03:30 |
| kanzure | mean to serialize it, correct | 03:30 |
| * kanzure listens to http://heybryan.org/music2/Gundam%200083%20-%2002%20-%20OP2%20-%20Men%20of%20Destiny.mp3 (stupid %20's) | 03:33 | |
| kanzure | fenn__ tell us when you're alive again. | 03:33 |
| fenn__ | well this is annoying.. my wireless seems to have gone totally kaput | 04:15 |
| -!- fenn__ is now known as fenn | 04:16 | |
| fenn | gosh thanks to bert and helen the Openmanufacturing list has become even less technically oriented than it was before | 04:29 |
| kanzure | uh oh | 04:29 |
| * kanzure checks | 04:29 | |
| fenn | i'm still catching up from 9/25 | 04:30 |
| kanzure | oh | 04:30 |
| -!- Depucelator changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: Country First | 04:41 | |
| kanzure | What the fuck? | 04:41 |
| -!- Depucelator changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: Semi-intro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXKbzbeipmI http://diybio.org/ http://openwetware.org/ | diy bio tools: http://biohack.sf.net/ | Automated societal knowledge (put it to work): http://heybryan.org/exp.html | Channel wiki: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/ | F/OSS re: Kurzweil: http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ | 04:41 | |
| Depucelator | Is it okay if I add more pipe characters though | 04:42 |
| kanzure | ? | 04:42 |
| Depucelator | to the MOTD | 04:42 |
| gene | what? why country first? | 05:39 |
| gene | are we getting political here? | 05:39 |
| fenn | nobody knows | 05:48 |
| Depucelator | What my opponent doesn't understand is that doubling the number of pipe characters would make the economy thrive | 05:50 |
| fenn | one line of unix shell is worth a thousand lines of java | 05:52 |
| Depucelator | agrd | 05:52 |
| gene | what are world pipe characters? | 05:52 |
| fenn | gene, i'm curious, what did you do during your adolescence? | 05:53 |
| gene | why are you curious? | 05:53 |
| percent | I mostly masturbated | 05:53 |
| percent | why | 05:53 |
| * fenn struggles to find a non-offensive way to say this | 05:53 | |
| gene | I built things | 05:54 |
| gene | that's what I did | 05:54 |
| fenn | what did you build? | 05:54 |
| gene | lot's of things | 05:55 |
| gene | why do you want to know this anyway? | 05:55 |
| fenn | ok, i'll start: i made an arc welder out of a microwave transformer, a paintball gun from a squirt gun and pipe fittings, a remote control car with weapons on it | 05:55 |
| gene | I made a pneumatic air cannon, [redacted], and lot's of other small things like gliders with a wingspan of about 5 mm | 05:57 |
| fenn | pipe characters are these things: |||||| they are used to pipe the output from one command to the input of another, like cat foo | grep -v bar > foo.bar | 05:58 |
| Depucelator | it seems a common thread in history's brightest minds was that they weaponized toy cars at an early age | 05:58 |
| Depucelator | why is it called a pipe character | 05:58 |
| fenn | tesla used a toy ship, does that count? | 05:58 |
| gene | let's just say that redacted might have got me in trouble with the FAA | 05:58 |
| fenn | heh | 05:58 |
| fenn | i assume it has something to do with guided explosives delivery systems | 05:59 |
| gene | nope | 05:59 |
| gene | but close to something else that is also redacted | 05:59 |
| gene | so percent, can you turn on and off electrospinning fairly fast? | 06:00 |
| percent | Yes. | 06:00 |
| gene | like how fast? | 06:00 |
| gene | seconds, milliseconds, nanoseconds? | 06:00 |
| percent | Well | 06:00 |
| percent | Seeing as how he particles come out of the needle at percentages of the speed of light | 06:01 |
| percent | probably fairly fast | 06:01 |
| gene | are you kidding me? | 06:01 |
| percent | you're dealing with high voltage, not high current | 06:01 |
| fenn | small percentages | 06:01 |
| percent | You've heard of electrospray, right? | 06:01 |
| percent | still | 06:01 |
| percent | it's fast as fuck | 06:01 |
| gene | 10^-1000? | 06:01 |
| percent | so | 06:01 |
| fenn | it doesn't give off x-rays | 06:01 |
| gene | damn | 06:01 |
| percent | it's fast enough not to be a problem | 06:02 |
| percent | modulated electrospinning | 06:02 |
| percent | now that's an idea | 06:02 |
| fenn | indeed | 06:02 |
| gene | how fast? | 06:02 |
| percent | audio modulated | 06:02 |
| percent | Shit | 06:02 |
| percent | I don't know | 06:02 |
| percent | Nobody's ever done that shit before | 06:02 |
| percent | fuck | 06:02 |
| gene | that would be fucking awesome | 06:02 |
| percent | the fuck am i, a scientist or some shit | 06:02 |
| percent | christ | 06:02 |
| percent | i am | 06:02 |
| percent | how'd that happen | 06:02 |
| gene | materials science? | 06:03 |
| fenn | you can't bounce fiber off a mirror like with lasers, unfortunately | 06:03 |
| percent | Yes. | 06:03 |
| percent | well | 06:03 |
| percent | the overwhelming,omni-topic of ALL THINGS NANO | 06:03 |
| percent | I seem to work a lot in CVD though | 06:03 |
| gene | could you accelerate the fiber to like 99% the speed of light? | 06:03 |
| fenn | "nano" means a lot of stuff these days | 06:03 |
| percent | by nano, i mean 10^-9 | 06:04 |
| * fenn just read about some "nano" folding bicycle | 06:04 | |
| gene | nano, really really small shit | 06:04 |
| percent | also, gene: Well, I've got this large hadron collider... | 06:04 |
| gene | I highly doubt they could accelerate the fiber | 06:04 |
| fenn | 99% the speed of light would just make a nice explosion | 06:04 |
| fenn | shower of gamma rays | 06:05 |
| fenn | probably some exotic particle physics stuff | 06:05 |
| gene | a nice explosion? | 06:05 |
| percent | Also, you definitely wouldn't get any fiber | 06:05 |
| percent | you'd ionize your shit fuckin fast | 06:05 |
| percent | just | 06:05 |
| percent | boom | 06:05 |
| gene | if you could get it fast enough you could aim it at an alien civilization and eliminate it | 06:06 |
| fenn | assuming your nanofiber piece weighs nm*nm*20nm*1g/cc = 2e-20, the resulting explosion would contain 1.79 microjoules | 06:07 |
| fenn | wait, wrong formula | 06:07 |
| gene | if you have a nanofiber many kilometers long | 06:08 |
| gene | then you might get something a bit more epic | 06:08 |
| fenn | but it won't all hit at once | 06:08 |
| marainein | would it scatter? | 06:08 |
| fenn | unless you got fancy with varying the speed somehow.. hrm | 06:09 |
| gene | guess you're right | 06:09 |
| gene | but's it's going too fast to matter | 06:09 |
| * fenn liked the modulated beam idea better | 06:09 | |
| gene | so you can modulate electrospinning at audio frequencies? | 06:10 |
| gene | do you need an accurate pump for electrospinning? | 06:10 |
| fenn | looked like you dont need a pump at all, just a pipette and let gravity do the work | 06:13 |
| gene | nah | 06:13 |
| fenn | what's the pump for? | 06:13 |
| gene | pumping out a precise amount of liquid | 06:14 |
| gene | so you make nanofibers with small diameters | 06:15 |
| gene | like 8 nm | 06:17 |
| * fenn spends too much time on writing perfect emails | 06:35 | |
| ybit | http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=106981 | 09:38 |
| fenn | gosh singularity summit has a lot of Big Names | 09:45 |
| * nsh curses Eliezer for no particular reason | 09:50 | |
| fenn | get over it | 09:52 |
| fenn | what have you been up to lately nsh? | 09:52 |
| nsh | experiencing the man-woman level of projective identification at transferance | 10:11 |
| nsh | folding paper | 10:11 |
| nsh | thinking about electron dynamics and geometry | 10:12 |
| nsh | dna sequencing, cloning, pcr, gel electrophoresis, and some marginal bioinformatics | 10:13 |
| nsh | listening to down-tempo music | 10:14 |
| nsh | reading about the development of marxist theory in post-war japan | 10:16 |
| nsh | obsessively-masochistically reading about the presidential election campaigns | 10:17 |
| nsh | et tu? | 10:18 |
| fenn | mostly moping, and obsessing about wearable computers | 10:58 |
| fenn | slowly making my way through jef raskin's website | 10:58 |
| fenn | just spent 3 hours going through the last two weeks of openmanufacturing | 10:59 |
| kanzure | fenn: it took you 3 hours to go through openmanufacturing? really? | 14:31 |
| kanzure | do'h. serialization of an html tree would be, clearly, the stupid fscking HTML tree itself. | 15:54 |
| kanzure | written out in html, no less. | 15:55 |
| kanzure | but I need to manipulate it in terms of a graph. ah. | 15:55 |
| kanzure | http://search.cpan.org/~azs/Graph-ModularDecomposition-0.13/ModularDecomposition.pm wants me to use "ab,cd" format to represent a->b and c->d in a graph. | 16:01 |
| kanzure | typical perl. | 16:01 |
| kanzure | isn't that stupid? am I supposed to keep a hash of alphanumeric titles to real variables or something? | 16:03 |
| kanzure | http://search.cpan.org/~jhi/Graph-0.84/lib/Graph.pod would make me think they know what they're doing | 16:04 |
| kanzure | and yet, the ModularDecomposition is supposedly an extension, yet demands a string-based input format, wtf? | 16:05 |
| kanzure | http://9819.jp/ for exit trance | 16:22 |
| kanzure | aha | 16:22 |
| kanzure | https://zip-fm.co.jp/ | 16:22 |
| kanzure | http://public.resource.org/ | 18:15 |
| kanzure | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/27/BAAH134FI4.DTL | 18:15 |
| kanzure | I wonder if this means there's a copy of uspto. | 18:16 |
| kanzure | http://public.resource.org/uspto.gov/index.html | 18:17 |
| kanzure | Somebody needs to put this back on wikileaks where it belogns. | 18:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.pat2pdf.org/ | 18:19 |
| kanzure | 40920. Seems to be 6 minute lags between downloads now. How weird. | 18:22 |
| kanzure | 2 hours to go 100? Guh. | 20:44 |
| kanzure | fenn was right, I should have been doing this doubly on two boxen | 20:44 |
| kanzure | although this slowness is probably because many of the tor IP's are useless now | 20:44 |
| kanzure | so randomly going through them on 2+ boxes would only make the problem worse, right? | 20:45 |
| kanzure | hm, privoxy is doing 80% of cpu usage in top | 20:48 |
| kanzure | okay, reboot of privoxy at 41807 around this time. top no longer says 80% usage by privoxy .. so it must have some threading leaks or something. | 20:50 |
| kanzure | so, sometime in early 2007 I met Joram Zutt, a netherlander talking about building his 'bazaar model' and 'Project C', a microwave-oven-sized atom holography-based fabricator; so after we talked we kept in contact, | 20:52 |
| kanzure | he sends these emails every so often, maybe once every three months, and at first it was awkard and kind of annoying | 20:53 |
| kanzure | because he was ranting about these strange predictions of a world financial crisis | 20:53 |
| kanzure | how the world bank was involved and such. | 20:53 |
| kanzure | so, yeah, that's not awkward at all. | 20:54 |
| kanzure | http://datamob.org/ <- I should probably upload to here some day. | 21:02 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/rules.zip Can anybody make sense of these grxml files? | 21:41 |
| kanzure | They are supposed to be for 'rules' on transformations to graphs. So, supposedly the contents contain "given this, do that", but when I look, it's questionable as to what's what and whether it's actually doing that. | 21:41 |
| kanzure | oops | 21:42 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/rules/rules.zip | 21:42 |
| kanzure | oh | 21:43 |
| kanzure | L and R must represent left and right, before and after the transformation | 21:43 |
| kanzure | makes sense. | 21:43 |
| kanzure | routeRule3.grxml for instance. What's going on here? In the left hand side, you would be led to believe that the labels ("a") are being used to keep things internally consistent; | 21:51 |
| kanzure | however, on the righth and side, there are /two/ nodes with the label 'a' | 21:51 |
| kanzure | I'm trying to figure out how the program is keeping it all separated. I mean, on the left hand side and the right hand side the only thing that's different is connectivity. So, it has to keep track of the nodes and keep them the same, so what is it doing? | 21:52 |
| kanzure | it could just be cheating and assuming that both sides are in the same order | 21:52 |
| kanzure | can anybody confirm? | 21:52 |
| fenn | kanzure: " it took you 3 hours to go through openmanufacturing? really?" there were 135 messages, some of them quite lengthy, and i wrote three responses (well two really) | 23:20 |
| kanzure | 135. hrm. | 23:20 |
| fenn | i did actually read all of them because i think the people there are intelligent and highly relevant to my life | 23:21 |
| fenn | sometimes it's hard to figure out what cravens is trying to say though :) | 23:21 |
| kanzure | kind of like me I guess. | 23:32 |
| kanzure | there was actually a good Nathan email | 23:32 |
| kanzure | the one that I replied to with the thing about compiler errors | 23:33 |
| kanzure | "so that your world doesn't encroach on my world" sort of thing. | 23:33 |
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