| --- Day changed Tue Sep 30 2008 | ||
| ybit | grr | 00:18 |
|---|---|---|
| ybit | the too much pressur around the keyboard area on my lappy causes the screen to go blank. it may or may not display if you shake it. not sure what the magnet is doing | 00:19 |
| ybit | np Nofaris_ | 00:19 |
| ybit | the more, the better imo | 00:19 |
| superturtle | pressure on the kb on a lptop causing the lcd to go blank? | 00:19 |
| superturtle | *laptop | 00:20 |
| ybit | yep | 00:20 |
| superturtle | is it a fade-out of the type that LCDs do when they are in trouble? | 00:20 |
| ybit | that or it's just displaying blackness | 00:20 |
| superturtle | or just total video card failness | 00:20 |
| ybit | fade out | 00:21 |
| superturtle | I predict a metal contact under your kb | 00:21 |
| ybit | guess i should open it up and find out | 00:22 |
| ybit | kpf | 00:29 |
| ybit | now that's extremely simple | 00:30 |
| ybit | http://71.207.240.143:8001/ -- my music collection, minus my CDs which vastly outnumbers the number albums on the computer. keep putting off ripping them | 00:42 |
| ybit | i really like the ease of the kpf icon on kicker | 00:42 |
| * superturtle just made a playlist of all of his music | 00:42 | |
| superturtle | 34k mp3s | 00:42 |
| ybit | wow | 00:43 |
| ybit | i think ampache is actually the way to go with sharing music | 00:43 |
| ybit | (listen before downloading type music server) | 00:44 |
| ybit | amarok 2.0 supposedly will support ampache as well | 00:44 |
| superturtle | I used to have a perl-based icecast station or something | 00:45 |
| superturtle | so everyone could stream their own mp3s | 00:45 |
| ybit | if you look at the collection and see alkj3l8s02ks03u0s93l.mp3 those are files i grabbed directly from hypem.com's mirrors, the files contain the correct metadata with artist name, album, etc | 00:46 |
| ybit | superturtle: is that just mp3s? | 00:47 |
| superturtle | don't remember | 00:47 |
| ybit | what's the ratio of mp3s to flac? | 00:47 |
| superturtle | huh? | 00:47 |
| ybit | k | 00:47 |
| ybit | .flac files | 00:47 |
| ybit | lossless audio | 00:47 |
| ybit | open source | 00:47 |
| superturtle | not many. | 00:47 |
| ybit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flac | 00:48 |
| ybit | http://what.cd has quite a collection of flac files, like oink.cd before it was closed; too bad it's difficult to gain access what.cd | 00:49 |
| kanzure | what.cd died, I thought | 00:49 |
| kanzure | oink.cd I mean | 00:49 |
| kanzure | oh | 00:49 |
| kanzure | I have a few friends on the *.cd's if you want referrals or something | 00:49 |
| ybit | you have to pass an interview/test for what.cd | 00:50 |
| ybit | irc.what.cd | 00:51 |
| ybit | #what.cd-invites | 00:53 |
| ybit | if i have time to study audio transcoding during a break, i might try to join again (yes i failed the test) | 00:54 |
| ybit | you only have to miss one question to fail | 00:54 |
| kanzure | Has anyone ever considered phylogenetic tree analysis for dating service assistance? The reason why everybody mistakes everyone else for each other is because it's just recombinant alleles floating around the pools; so surely there's some predictive accuracy from their local history to broadly match against ancestry information from other people's branches. | 00:55 |
| kanzure | Audio transcoding? | 00:55 |
| kanzure | Hm. | 00:55 |
| ybit | not sure if there's a demand for phylogenetic analysis, unless maybe you live in the South ;) | 01:04 |
| superturtle | no, the idea is that people are stumbling upon similar phenotypes in totally different branches of the trees in the populations | 01:05 |
| -!- superturtle is now known as kanzure_ | 01:06 | |
| -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn | 01:27 | |
| kanzure_ | http://sup.rubyforge.org/ mutt client that understands folders and smtp | 01:28 |
| kanzure_ | newsbeuter - cli rss reader | 01:28 |
| ybit | so much for a quick, intense gaming session. | 01:29 |
| ybit | kanzure, are you trying to stick to the cli for everything? | 01:29 |
| kanzure | clicking sucks. | 01:29 |
| ybit | before long you will be using awesome wm with firefox and vimperator :) | 01:29 |
| kanzure | *you* try clicking a million times. | 01:30 |
| ybit | it hurts, i know | 01:30 |
| kanzure | hm, that's odd, one of the iGEM categories this year is 'manufacturing' | 01:36 |
| kanzure | Food or Energy, Environment, Health or Medicine, Manufacturing, New Application, Foundational Advance, Software | 01:36 |
| h2i | in my case now, more clicking is good | 01:47 |
| ybit | hehe, i have nsync xmas in audio :P | 01:51 |
| ybit | don't hurt me | 01:52 |
| * ybit quickly deletes and hopes no one noticed... | 01:52 | |
| kanzure | http://www.latepatents.net/ | 03:19 |
| kanzure | hm | 03:23 |
| kanzure | http://onebigtorrent.org/torrents/70/The-Take | 03:23 |
| kanzure | huh,. | 03:23 |
| ybit | i like mike's response and links | 04:00 |
| ybit | latepatents is like a toy shop for us kids | 04:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.cs.miami.edu/~tptp/ The TPTP Problem Library for Automated Theorem Solvers | 04:02 |
| kanzure | fenn: did you see the machines img archive? | 04:10 |
| fenn | eh? | 04:14 |
| kanzure_ | I've decided to just take random images from the net as examples of surface contact problems | 04:15 |
| kanzure_ | i.e., 'find exceptions to the rule' | 04:15 |
| kanzure_ | to try to make a better repository format than what's currently in the /~bbishop/docs/repo/ dir. | 04:15 |
| fenn | fractal A meets random cellular automata B | 04:15 |
| kanzure_ | a fractal is a discrete part? | 04:15 |
| fenn | i dont think its possible to cover all cases | 04:15 |
| kanzure_ | right | 04:16 |
| kanzure_ | but still. | 04:16 |
| kanzure_ | is my but still valid? | 04:16 |
| fenn | there are physical artifacts that resemble computer generated fractal images | 04:16 |
| kanzure_ | up to some n, no? | 04:16 |
| kanzure_ | some iteration | 04:16 |
| fenn | down to the resolution of atoms | 04:16 |
| fenn | google "silver dendrite" | 04:17 |
| kanzure_ | I was thinking that I'd do it by specifying the shape of the intersecting surface or something. | 04:20 |
| fenn | solids dont intersect | 04:21 |
| fenn | not real ones at least | 04:21 |
| kanzure_ | they sit next to each other | 04:21 |
| kanzure_ | screw in a screwhole | 04:21 |
| fenn | bah | 04:21 |
| kanzure_ | wtf? | 04:21 |
| kanzure_ | consider n beams of metals with slots for their interconnection | 04:23 |
| fenn | you should know about asperities and bearing contact area and so on | 04:23 |
| kanzure_ | don't make me cite combinatorics on you. | 04:23 |
| kanzure_ | okay | 04:23 |
| fenn | don't math out on me | 04:23 |
| kanzure_ | cosine to the pi gee. | 04:24 |
| fenn | werd | 04:24 |
| fenn | surface roughness is often given in root-mean-square millionths of an inch | 04:25 |
| fenn | or microns | 04:25 |
| fenn | um. yeh | 04:26 |
| kanzure_ | I'm trying to figure out a simple example of rigid, solid bodies that have ambiguous definitions in the current repository format, even though they are made of the same parts | 04:26 |
| kanzure_ | my '3D geometry of a car' (where the geom is assembled from the known parts) example hasn't been working out too well. | 04:26 |
| fenn | what you mean by ambiguous? | 04:27 |
| kanzure_ | "1 metal plate, another metal plate, a pin in between them" <-- how many different implementations of this can you imagine? | 04:27 |
| fenn | uh, none? | 04:28 |
| kanzure_ | both have holes. | 04:28 |
| kanzure_ | screw you. | 04:28 |
| kanzure_ | har har har | 04:28 |
| ybit | http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~pk/research/matlabfns/ -- someone was porting to this to python at once, me thinks | 07:14 |
| ybit | -at | 07:14 |
| * fenn mumbles something about personal electronic widgets with roll-out laser projector screens | 10:23 | |
| kanzure | some of these people just flat out suck | 12:49 |
| kanzure | "If we can work out a logical way to "do" tax/ rent then perhaps we can use a similar model to fund Open Manufacturing research and development?" | 12:49 |
| kanzure_ | BREAKING NEWS: Stuffing Cash Under Your Mattress bought out by Keeping Cash in Mason Jar In The Garage | 12:51 |
| UtopiahGHML | Smart World: Breakthrough Creativity and the New Science of Ideas | 12:52 |
| UtopiahGHML | By Richard Ogle | 12:52 |
| UtopiahGHML | Published by Harvard Business School Press, 2007 | 12:52 |
| UtopiahGHML | ISBN 1591394171, 9781591394174 | 12:52 |
| UtopiahGHML | someone checked that already? | 12:52 |
| kanzure_ | No, but it sounds like TRIX, combinatorics, ideonomics, etc. What new idea does Ogle propose? | 12:53 |
| UtopiahGHML | seems to be "idea-spaces" | 12:53 |
| UtopiahGHML | a set of nodes in a network of people (and their ideas) that cohere and take on a distinctive set of characteristics anddynamics leading to the generation of breakthrough ideas. | 12:53 |
| UtopiahGHML | he tries to establishes "law" of such spaces | 12:54 |
| kanzure_ | it's social? | 12:54 |
| kanzure_ | normally ideaspaces are personal | 12:54 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/thinking.html | 12:54 |
| UtopiahGHML | could be part of the "distributed mind" perspective | 12:54 |
| kanzure_ | fuck :( | 12:54 |
| kanzure_ | while I wouldn't mind my brain in a jar a few miles away, | 12:55 |
| kanzure_ | that's usually not what the 'distributed mind' people are talking about | 12:55 |
| UtopiahGHML | I link to think about giant sequoias | 12:55 |
| kanzure_ | what? | 12:55 |
| UtopiahGHML | they basically support each other thanks to their network of roots | 12:55 |
| UtopiahGHML | as to basically not being able to be efficient in an environment alone | 12:56 |
| UtopiahGHML | thus thinking in a vaccum (and being educated too) | 12:56 |
| UtopiahGHML | can be illusionary | 12:56 |
| kanzure_ | of course - there is nothing from the void | 12:56 |
| UtopiahGHML | so the distributed mind doesn't seem ridiculous to me | 12:56 |
| kanzure_ | see my thinking.html page | 12:56 |
| kanzure_ | no, it's just a reference to the wrong people you see | 12:56 |
| kanzure_ | usually they're talking about the 'smart mob' crap | 12:56 |
| kanzure_ | and you can't just divine a mob from the void either ;-) | 12:56 |
| UtopiahGHML | well I didn't get through his book (yet) so I can't say more | 12:57 |
| UtopiahGHML | that's actually why Im asking | 12:57 |
| kanzure_ | go put http://twobits.net/ on your list too. it's less about creativity and more about those social aspects. | 12:57 |
| kanzure_ | also, if you want, I can give you access to my 'creativity book collection' | 12:57 |
| kanzure_ | it's basically the same stuff said over and over again :/ | 12:58 |
| UtopiahGHML | meaning? | 12:58 |
| kanzure_ | there's always the requisite mention of memorization methods | 12:58 |
| kanzure_ | always the requisite mention of drugs and psychotropics | 12:58 |
| kanzure_ | Feynman, Tesla, Asimov, Poincare, nothing new | 12:59 |
| kanzure_ | see thinking.html ;-) I've compressed/condensed it all | 12:59 |
| fenn | Tesla? | 12:59 |
| kanzure_ | mm | 12:59 |
| fenn | tesla was physiologically different | 13:00 |
| kanzure_ | no doubt | 13:01 |
| fenn | he had headaches, strange visions, and suffered from being aroudn peaches | 13:01 |
| kanzure_ | physiological augmentation should count | 13:01 |
| UtopiahGHML | I personnaly bet on evolutionary espistemology | 13:01 |
| * kanzure_ somehow skipped the Tesla idolation phase and went straight to Leibniz | 13:01 | |
| UtopiahGHML | creativity is just an evo algo... | 13:01 |
| kanzure_ | UtopiahGHML: sure | 13:01 |
| kanzure_ | somewhat | 13:02 |
| kanzure_ | I mean, you have to be careful with who you're saying that to | 13:02 |
| kanzure_ | with some people that means different things | 13:02 |
| UtopiahGHML | ? | 13:02 |
| kanzure_ | around here, to us, you're talking complexity science | 13:02 |
| kanzure_ | but again, the 'smart mob' people are off in another realm sometimes | 13:02 |
| fenn | creativity is a function of humans which are a product of evolution :) | 13:02 |
| kanzure_ | eh | 13:02 |
| fenn | i wouldnt say "creativity is just an evo algo" though | 13:03 |
| fenn | i mean GA's are stupid | 13:03 |
| kanzure_ | so are humans? | 13:03 |
| kanzure_ | oh wait | 13:03 |
| fenn | not in the way that GA's are | 13:03 |
| kanzure_ | was it you who mentioned shouting at GAs when they don't choose the obviously right path to go? | 13:03 |
| kanzure_ | when they just graze by the right set of combinations etc. | 13:04 |
| fenn | notme | 13:04 |
| kanzure_ | must've been steve | 13:04 |
| fenn | i know better than to try to get a GA to do real work :) | 13:04 |
| nsh | genetic algorithms are stoopid | 13:04 |
| kanzure_ | do you know better than trying to get a person to do real work? | 13:04 |
| fenn | yep | 13:04 |
| UtopiahGHML | thinking we are smart is a human bias :) | 13:04 |
| UtopiahGHML | there is not proof that being smart is actually positive | 13:05 |
| kanzure_ | not many people in here think they are smart | 13:05 |
| UtopiahGHML | so even it's all GA based doesn't mean it's not "sufficient" | 13:05 |
| kanzure_ | GA + a little kick now and then to get out of ruts | 13:05 |
| kanzure_ | but that isn't enough either of course | 13:05 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: "there is not proof that being smart is actually positive" is a statement of your value system, so who cares | 13:05 |
| kanzure_ | heh | 13:05 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: what is not? | 13:06 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: UtopiahGHML comes from #opencog; his background seems to be the ai community | 13:06 |
| kanzure_ | UtopiahGHML: I like to yell at the agi community in here for most of the reasons that you're talking about | 13:06 |
| kanzure_ | or most of the topics that you're talking about, I mean | 13:06 |
| UtopiahGHML | glad to participate in your passions :) | 13:07 |
| kanzure_ | so, for example, my aim isn't really intelligence augmentation | 13:07 |
| kanzure_ | well | 13:07 |
| kanzure_ | *-augmentation | 13:07 |
| kanzure_ | my aim isn't intelligence since that concept is too fuzzy | 13:07 |
| fenn | do you mean "human-like smarts are not the best way to build an AI-ish system"? | 13:07 |
| kanzure_ | what the hell is the I? | 13:07 |
| fenn | i'm just trying to figure out how someone could think smart = bad | 13:07 |
| UtopiahGHML | the ability to handle a never encountered situation | 13:07 |
| fenn | religious arguments aside | 13:08 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: that's not what I said | 13:08 |
| kanzure_ | on that note, http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/ I posted an email about how smart people making stupid decisions about complex systems .. everybody knows it, but it keeps on being rediscovered too late by others. | 13:08 |
| * kanzure_ heads off to class | 13:08 | |
| fenn | i discarded "there is not proof" part because there isn't proof of anything | 13:08 |
| kanzure_ | 59394 | 13:09 |
| fenn | because it's a Hard Problem | 13:09 |
| UtopiahGHML | what I meant by that is that staying that GA are stupid so we "must have sth extra" doesn't sound correct to me | 13:09 |
| fenn | but we do have something extra | 13:09 |
| fenn | that's why GA's do confounded stupid things all the time, and people generally behave somewhat predictable | 13:10 |
| UtopiahGHML | so what is that sth extra? | 13:10 |
| fenn | hell if i know | 13:10 |
| UtopiahGHML | to me GA are "stupid enough" if you will. | 13:10 |
| fenn | history of AI has been littered with people trying to say their particular narrow approach has all the answers | 13:11 |
| fenn | (and failing) | 13:11 |
| UtopiahGHML | but you have to go further than the GA you learned in your AI class that takes no heuristic or manipulate no complex strategies since those can be also population of your GA (as in metaGA basically) | 13:11 |
| fenn | is metaGA something specific? | 13:12 |
| UtopiahGHML | no, it's just a GA | 13:12 |
| UtopiahGHML | but it's the same idea that Lisp | 13:13 |
| UtopiahGHML | data is code, code is data | 13:13 |
| UtopiahGHML | so data of a metaGA can be GA too | 13:13 |
| UtopiahGHML | and that's "stupid enough" | 13:13 |
| UtopiahGHML | to handle pretty much anything IMHO | 13:13 |
| fenn | so, as an example, you'd have a GA that designs fitness functions? | 13:14 |
| faceface | I'd make a GA to design that GA | 13:15 |
| fenn | and then grows sub-ga's to fit them | 13:15 |
| UtopiahGHML | the idea is to stop think functionnal basically | 13:15 |
| UtopiahGHML | data are not "dead" pieces of information | 13:15 |
| faceface | kanzure, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17406674 | 13:15 |
| fenn | what data? | 13:15 |
| UtopiahGHML | as you said, it can be fitness or anything else | 13:16 |
| UtopiahGHML | heuristics, GA, etc... | 13:16 |
| fenn | how can fitness not be the result of a function? | 13:16 |
| UtopiahGHML | what is not a function? | 13:17 |
| fenn | argh | 13:17 |
| * fenn hates AI people | 13:17 | |
| * nsh puts on his darth voice | 13:17 | |
| nsh | goooood, feel the hate young one | 13:17 |
| nsh | feel its power | 13:17 |
| UtopiahGHML | don't worry, they don't hate you back. | 13:17 |
| UtopiahGHML | well I guess some do actually but... ;) | 13:17 |
| * fenn slices off nsh's cyborg-hand | 13:18 | |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: anyway depiste what I said before I think "intelligence" is a key competitive advantage | 13:26 |
| * nsh takes notes | 13:28 | |
| UtopiahGHML | but I don't think I meet the requirements for it | 13:28 |
| UtopiahGHML | thus my bet on AI :P | 13:28 |
| faceface | UtopiahGHML, computational evolutionary dynamics? | 16:03 |
| kanzure__ | All hail the good word of debian. | 16:34 |
| fenn | zoot | 16:34 |
| kanzure__ | sound? | 16:34 |
| kanzure__ | before I poison the system with kde, any recommendations? | 16:35 |
| fenn | sound? | 16:35 |
| kanzure__ | is 'zoot' a sound? | 16:35 |
| fenn | yes | 16:35 |
| fenn | it's the noise a kazoo makes | 16:35 |
| fenn | what's this about kde? | 16:36 |
| kanzure__ | :p | 16:36 |
| kanzure__ | kidding. | 16:36 |
| kanzure__ | I haven't tried ratpoison yet. but somebody also recently mentioned awesomewm. | 16:37 |
| fenn | ratpoison is (literally) a joke | 16:37 |
| fenn | hmm what was the alternative to ion? | 16:37 |
| kanzure__ | ion2? | 16:38 |
| fenn | wmii | 16:38 |
| fenn | i have an aversion to experimenting with window managers for long enough to notice any benefits, so no recommendations from the peanut gallery this time | 16:39 |
| kanzure__ | bkero should have a few suggestions :) | 16:40 |
| bkero | wmii | 16:40 |
| bkero | awesomewm | 16:40 |
| bkero | dwm | 16:40 |
| bkero | I'm using wmii as we speak. | 16:40 |
| kanzure__ | heh' | 16:40 |
| kanzure__ | bkero: How do I undo Alt+Shift+L or move to the left or make a column on the left instead of the right? | 16:47 |
| bkero | kanzure__: in wmii? | 16:48 |
| kanzure__ | yes | 16:49 |
| bkero | kanzure__: In wmii, left is h, j is down, k is up, l is right | 16:49 |
| kanzure__ | blah | 16:49 |
| kanzure__ | k | 16:49 |
| bkero | alt+shift+j moves to the left | 16:49 |
| kanzure__ | and undoing a column? | 16:49 |
| bkero | move everything out of it | 16:50 |
| bkero | If I have 2 columns, each with 3 things, I can move one in the right column right AGAIN to make a third column. | 16:51 |
| kanzure__ | ah, I see, 'shift' is like having sticky hands | 16:53 |
| kanzure__ | sticky fingers. | 16:53 |
| kanzure__ | erm. | 16:53 |
| kanzure__ | Not sure I like the idea of having no taskbar. | 16:54 |
| bkero | shift is to move windows around, no shift is to switch which window is active. | 16:55 |
| bkero | shift+p runs a program | 16:55 |
| bkero | er, alt+p | 16:55 |
| fenn | dont these keyboard commands conflict with other programs? | 16:56 |
| bkero | You can change the Mod key in the wmii config | 16:58 |
| bkero | I use the window key | 16:58 |
| fenn | am i the only person who resents having a windows logo on my keyboard? | 16:59 |
| kanzure__ | as of yet I haven't seen anything ever using the windows logo key, except on Windows platforms, where it calls up the 'start menu' | 16:59 |
| bkero | fenn: My keyboard at home doesn't have a windows key. ;) | 16:59 |
| bkero | kanzure__: Eee's have a 'home' key. ;) | 16:59 |
| fenn | you.. you.. clicky lover! | 16:59 |
| kanzure__ | replaced it with a panic button? :) | 16:59 |
| kanzure__ | ah | 16:59 |
| bkero | My keyboard was made before windows. | 17:00 |
| kanzure__ | bkero: How do I change the alt key setting? Dillo conflicts apparently. | 17:01 |
| kanzure__ | although dillo doesn't explicitly define that it conflicts | 17:01 |
| kanzure__ | naughty. | 17:01 |
| bkero | kanzure__: see your /home/kanzure/.wmii-3.5/ folder? | 17:01 |
| bkero | copy the files in /usr/local/etc/wmii-3.5/ into it | 17:02 |
| bkero | then edit the file called wmiirc | 17:02 |
| bkero | The MODKEY is what you want to change. You can also change the terminal colors. Mine is WMII_TERM="xterm -fg green -bg black" | 17:02 |
| kanzure__ | hm. /usr/local/etc/ is empty. Also, it's not in /etc/wm* either. | 17:03 |
| kanzure__ | debian installation here. | 17:03 |
| bkero | find / -name wmiirc | 17:03 |
| kanzure__ | nothing in ~/.wmii-3 either | 17:03 |
| kanzure__ | bkero: ah, okay, do I just need to copy the wmiirc file? | 17:04 |
| bkero | I'd copy all 3 | 17:05 |
| kanzure__ | I wonder what the windows key is anyway. | 17:05 |
| kanzure__ | alt = "Mod1" apparently | 17:05 |
| bkero | Yes | 17:06 |
| kanzure__ | you know, this isn't that bad. | 17:06 |
| bkero | Make sure which mod key your window key corresponds to. | 17:06 |
| bkero | also if you alt+2, you'll goto a new workspace. shift+alt+2 moves a window there :) | 17:06 |
| bkero | Workspaces without anything in them are automatically destroyed. | 17:07 |
| kanzure__ | And to move a window back? | 17:07 |
| kanzure__ | and to cycle? | 17:07 |
| bkero | goto the workspace, and shift+alt+1 | 17:07 |
| fenn | prolly alt+tab to cycle | 17:08 |
| bkero | Nope | 17:09 |
| fenn | no task bar, so do you ever have windows hidden by other windows? | 17:10 |
| fenn | or minimized or whatever | 17:10 |
| kanzure__ | you can opt to | 17:10 |
| kanzure__ | alt+shift+d means the silly cascade version | 17:10 |
| kanzure__ | alt+shift+l means to make a new column for more silly cascading | 17:10 |
| kanzure__ | alt+shift+s for stack mode | 17:10 |
| kanzure__ | alt+shift+m for max mode | 17:10 |
| kanzure__ | erm, not cascading, sorry | 17:10 |
| kanzure__ | tiling. | 17:10 |
| fenn | how do you keep your terminals from getting stretched out of shape? | 17:12 |
| bkero | What do you mean out of shape? | 17:12 |
| fenn | well for example if you have a screen multiple session, one will look weird if you change the window size (ctl-a ctl-f to fix) | 17:14 |
| bkero | All my screens have resized themselves without problem. | 17:14 |
| fenn | do screen -x in two terms | 17:15 |
| kanzure__ | blargh, so far it doesn't seem lik dillo allows to navigate from link to link like in lynx (left/right arrow) | 17:15 |
| fenn | resize them to different shapes | 17:15 |
| bkero | I do | 17:15 |
| kanzure__ | this doesn't sound right. | 17:15 |
| bkero | It just puts ====='s to limit the window size to the smallest connected | 17:15 |
| fenn | kanzure__: dillo has a lot of stupid usability problems that should be easy to fix | 17:15 |
| bkero | Be a man, use w3m | 17:15 |
| kanzure__ | you mean to say that people know about dillo's problems? | 17:16 |
| kanzure__ | dillo always seems to be underactive in development | 17:16 |
| kanzure__ | undermanned, I mean | 17:16 |
| fenn | i dunno, it looks totally abandoned to me | 17:16 |
| kanzure__ | right | 17:16 |
| fenn | so, this webkit thing is supposed to be fast, but that's relative to firepig | 17:17 |
| fenn | i wonder how it compares to dillo | 17:17 |
| kanzure__ | somehow it runs on cell phone platforms | 17:17 |
| kanzure__ | webkit, I mean | 17:17 |
| bkero | I run it on my phone. | 17:17 |
| bkero | Works pretty well. | 17:17 |
| * kanzure__ has never been able to get webkit to compile, or usably compile | 17:17 | |
| kanzure__ | isn't w3m that line browser? | 17:17 |
| fenn | w3m is like lynx | 17:18 |
| kanzure__ | what's my alternative to dillo? | 17:18 |
| fenn | let me know if you find out | 17:18 |
| fenn | fennec maybe | 17:18 |
| kanzure__ | links2 was interesting the other day, but I'm not interested in xterm browsers really | 17:18 |
| kanzure__ | fennec isn't found in the apt repositories | 17:18 |
| fenn | it's alpha | 17:19 |
| bkero | use w3m | 17:20 |
| kanzure__ | but it's cli | 17:20 |
| bkero | No it's not | 17:23 |
| kanzure__ | it's running in my CLI :) | 17:23 |
| bkero | Ah | 17:23 |
| bkero | I think there's an X version | 17:23 |
| fenn | is there some way to apt-cache search for packages? like apt-cache show w3m* | 17:24 |
| bkero | apt-cache search w3m | 17:24 |
| kanzure__ | fenn: you didn't know about apt-cache search? really? :) | 17:24 |
| fenn | i probably did and forgot | 17:24 |
| fenn | thanks lazyweb | 17:25 |
| kanzure__ | hah, w3m-img. neat. | 17:28 |
| kanzure__ | any ideas on getting w3m with the lynx key bindings? | 17:35 |
| kanzure__ | w3m keymap http://www.lafn.org/~aw585/keymap.html | 17:41 |
| kanzure__ | and doesn't alt+1 / alt+2 interfere with irssi's configuration? blah. | 17:45 |
| bkero | So switch your mod key in wmii | 17:45 |
| kanzure__ | I don't know how to figure out what the 'windows' key is in the language of 'ALT'='Mod1'. | 17:49 |
| kanzure__ | it occurs to me that there should be some way to wrap apps and watch for key presses, thus making silly ghost-layers when an application is being stubborn. /me fetches the dillo source tree. | 17:50 |
| bkero | Damn it | 17:50 |
| bkero | The guy who was supposed to be housing me in new york backed out | 17:50 |
| kanzure__ | until I figure out the gtk/dillo keyboard binding nonsense (shouldn't this be a separate file?), opera 9.6* will have to do (new version :)). still has good keyboard bindings. | 18:33 |
| kanzure__ | wow, the design repo is even more useless than before now that the FCM/DSM ('function component' and 'design structure' matrices) fail to produce any usable information | 19:07 |
| kanzure__ | the DSMs are just excel spreadsheets with a table, where the vertical is the list of subcomponents, and the horizontal is the list of subcomponents too | 19:07 |
| kanzure__ | and then at each intersection of each subcomponent with its subcomponent, there's a 1 | 19:08 |
| kanzure__ | and then there's a 0 otherwise | 19:08 |
| kanzure__ | making the entire table completely worthless. | 19:08 |
| kanzure__ | interesting .. what I think they're doing is all off of the ontology of material flows, i.e. an app that wants HTML will bark at you because of PDF (or, ideally, malformed HTML, but that's just a pipedream) | 19:18 |
| kanzure__ | does anyone have the XML DTD that they were using? | 19:23 |
| * kanzure__ trots back to the cafeteria. | 19:23 | |
| kanzure | would be useful if I just dumped it to a mysql db. | 20:09 |
| kanzure | does anyone know of an xml->db exporter thingy? | 20:09 |
| kanzure___ | eh. I'm not sure the DTD exists. | 21:46 |
| -!- Nade|sleep is now known as Nade | 21:53 | |
| ybit | you could also try xmonad (lighter code base if you are concerned with bloatware) http://xmonad.org [kanzure] | 22:48 |
| ybit | for the browser, you really might want to try vimperator+firefox if you are using a tiled wm [kanzure] | 22:49 |
| kanzure___ | ybit: firefox can't handle more than 10 tabs | 23:20 |
| kanzure___ | Opera has fantastic keyboard bindings | 23:20 |
| ybit | are you referring to how much memory firefox uses with 10+ tabs? [kanzure] | 23:44 |
| kanzure_ | yes, but also that it starts to lock up because it's spending all of its time sequentially working on each thread | 23:54 |
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