| --- Day changed Mon Oct 13 2008 | ||
| ybit | never thought of this until just recently, but why is it SKDB and not SEKDB or SEKD? | 00:26 |
|---|---|---|
| ybit | wait, hold on answering for atleast a few minutes... | 00:28 |
| ybit | off* | 00:29 |
| ybit | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Talk:Societal_engineering_knowledge_database | 00:32 |
| ybit | now answer there, please :) | 00:33 |
| ybit | was waiting on the emailed passwd to arrive, but alas, i have no patience | 00:34 |
| kanzure | there will be no email | 00:48 |
| kanzure | that's why the hplusroadmap mailing list isn't active | 00:48 |
| kanzure | as for the name. you're welcome to come up with an excuse for the poor naming. | 00:48 |
| kanzure | personally I was figuring I'd go pay for openmanu.org eventually, but I haven't gotten around to that | 00:49 |
| ybit | haha :P | 00:59 |
| kanzure | Hrm. I've been had. | 01:19 |
| kanzure | https://webspace.utexas.edu/ht376/Building%20Brain/ | 01:19 |
| kanzure | Those look much like http://heybryan.org/school/buildingbrains/ ... | 01:19 |
| bkero | http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/sys/876792534.html | 01:30 |
| pppk | you've been had how? | 01:50 |
| kanzure | Not really had. Just that they're copied. The guy sent out an email saying 'this is where all of the notes will be for now on'. Which is an odd thing to say considering I write the notes. Heh. | 01:51 |
| bkero | ht276? | 01:51 |
| bkero | You write the notes for a class? | 01:51 |
| kanzure | Real-time note taking. | 01:52 |
| kanzure | See the HTML conversions on my server. | 01:52 |
| bkero | For this asshole? https://webspace.utexas.edu/ht376/CIMG3232.JPG | 01:52 |
| kanzure | Holy shit he's not a freshman. https://webspace.utexas.edu/ht376/courses%20taken.jpg | 01:53 |
| pppk | hot chick | 01:53 |
| pppk | she's kind of trying to get away though | 01:53 |
| bkero | She looks like a limp plaything | 01:53 |
| pppk | I bet he's korean | 01:53 |
| pppk | a lot lot of koreans go the predental route | 01:54 |
| bkero | ? | 01:54 |
| pppk | 'sides, he looks it | 01:54 |
| bkero | Heh | 01:54 |
| pppk | anyway, why should he be a freshman? Building brains is a 300-level class | 01:55 |
| kanzure | The course description said first-year first-semester students only. | 01:55 |
| kanzure | Besides, all of my classes are at least 300-level. | 01:55 |
| pppk | hmm, somebody must have waived that requirement for him | 01:56 |
| kanzure | I'm so glad I have /school on the server to remind me how wasted those four years of my life were. | 02:06 |
| fenn | gosh brian you're so selfish! hoarding the notes all to yourself on your private webserver | 02:06 |
| kanzure | geeze, it's as if I don't share anything | 02:07 |
| fenn | why are all the buildings made of styrofoam? | 02:09 |
| kanzure | ? | 02:09 |
| fenn | is that disneyland or something? (CIMG3232.JPG) | 02:09 |
| kanzure | easy way to check .. what's the likelihood of those two businesses being next to each other anywhere else but where-ever the hell that is? | 02:10 |
| fenn | hmm pretty high i'd bet | 02:11 |
| pppk | looks like an outdoor mall to me | 02:12 |
| kanzure | really | 02:12 |
| pppk | I don't think disneyland has many outside businesses in it like that, if any | 02:12 |
| kanzure | San Marcos. | 02:13 |
| kanzure | "Prime Outlets". | 02:13 |
| kanzure | Anyway. | 02:13 |
| kanzure | fenn fails | 02:14 |
| pppk | yeap, I should have said it looked like an outlet mall | 02:16 |
| fenn | ok everyone please ignore my snide remarks | 02:16 |
| kanzure | I don't understand. | 02:16 |
| kanzure | Do I win or not? | 02:17 |
| fenn | this is not a zero sum game | 02:17 |
| bkero | Ooh sexy http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/12/new_macbook_case_leaks_question_firewires_future.html | 02:17 |
| fenn | stamped sheet metal? | 02:18 |
| ybit | hey fenn, do you recall the link which you pasted in here or in #emc a few days ago.. | 02:36 |
| ybit | you had said that it covered all the steps in machining | 02:36 |
| ybit | and it repeated half-way through | 02:36 |
| kanzure | youtube link | 02:37 |
| ybit | yeah it was | 02:37 |
| kanzure | hrm, I had that open until 2 this afternoon when my machine spontaneously turned off | 02:37 |
| ybit | keyword "repeat" if you want to grep for it :) | 02:37 |
| bkero | You mean your browser doesn't resume your session if your machine crashes? | 02:38 |
| ybit | bkero: haha | 02:38 |
| kanzure | it was open in konqueror | 02:38 |
| bkero | That's a showstopper for me :/ | 02:38 |
| ybit | haha | 02:39 |
| ybit | konqueror for kde 4.+ supposely has a restore process | 02:39 |
| ybit | how many tabs are you up to now bkero? | 02:40 |
| bkero | 223(i opened some more) | 02:41 |
| bkero | 197+26 | 02:41 |
| kanzure | yeah, we can tell, we can do math | 02:41 |
| kanzure | I call foulplay because of your super setup | 02:42 |
| kanzure | fowl | 02:42 |
| bkero | My super Pentium 4? | 02:42 |
| bkero | It's not even a Pentium D | 02:43 |
| kanzure | But *I'm* on a p4 too .. | 02:43 |
| bkero | k | 02:43 |
| kanzure | ... | 02:43 |
| bkero | p4 1.5gb ram, 80gb hd | 02:44 |
| kanzure | 500 MB of RAM shouldn't make this much of a difference. | 02:45 |
| bkero | Not sounding very super. I'm using a lightweight window manager if that counts. | 02:45 |
| kanzure | I'm pretty sure it shouldn't count. | 02:45 |
| bkero | On hardy | 02:45 |
| ybit | random did you know: after adjusting the config file in xmonad, you can simply restart the wm and the changes are applied, whearas in other tiling WMs, X needs to be restarted | 02:47 |
| kanzure | fvm95 even? | 02:48 |
| ybit | fvm95 is a tiling wm? | 02:49 |
| kanzure | no | 02:49 |
| ybit | never used the fvm95 shell | 02:50 |
| ybit | having to use xgterm for the astro project | 02:50 |
| bkero | fvwm95 isn't tiling | 02:50 |
| ybit | afk | 02:51 |
| fenn | ybit: http://youtube.com/watch?v=MCL7S4eGELM | 02:52 |
| fenn | how can it be that i have to download a 21MB warez file just to uncompress some old mac format | 03:07 |
| bkero | What format? | 03:08 |
| kanzure | since when do warez files ever come in less than 100 MB packages | 03:08 |
| bkero | Since usenet doesn't use 100mb files | 03:08 |
| kanzure | usenet still does the file trading thing? | 03:08 |
| bkero | Yea | 03:08 |
| kanzure | Know a free nntp gateway? | 03:09 |
| fenn | bkero: .sit | 03:10 |
| bkero | lol stuffit | 03:10 |
| willPow3r | no more free nntp | 03:20 |
| bkero | Nope | 03:23 |
| fenn | the throbbing heart has stilled | 03:24 |
| bkero | orly | 03:25 |
| fenn | i wonder if some programmers think adding steps to the install process makes their software more complete | 03:27 |
| bkero | Heh | 03:27 |
| bkero | Programmers are not UI people | 03:27 |
| fenn | hmm.. how do i know if a wine program is stuck in a loop? | 03:32 |
| fenn | sigh.. i guess expecting a windows program to work without crashing is too much to ask | 03:34 |
| fenn | for the curious: i managed to recover some of the files, and also by peeking at the binary format i can see that it's just some DNA sequences and sequence alignments | 03:48 |
| fenn | kanzure: please dont feed the troll (patrick on om) | 03:51 |
| fenn | i can see nothing good come from that thread | 03:52 |
| bkero | trolltrolltroll | 03:53 |
| fenn | and why hasnt my mail showed up yet | 03:54 |
| gene | huh? | 03:56 |
| bkero | My battery is 11 months old, has 358 cycles, and has 5018 out of 5020mAh capacity. | 03:57 |
| fenn | bkero: what's that from? | 03:57 |
| bkero | fenn: macbook :) | 03:57 |
| bkero | That I'm selling | 03:57 |
| fenn | is that some special mac battery monitor software? | 03:58 |
| bkero | coconutBattery | 03:58 |
| bkero | But you can get that info from the System Profiler | 03:58 |
| * fenn wonders why linux doesnt have anything so geeky | 03:58 | |
| fenn | ok it's officially bedtime | 04:00 |
| kanzure | officially? | 04:00 |
| kanzure | also, patrkcom sufficiently deflected | 04:00 |
| kanzure | his email didn't make much sense | 04:00 |
| gene | Hey could someone find me the paper for this articlehttp://www.nature.com/news/2008/081010/full/news.2008.1164.html#B1 | 04:01 |
| gene | it's in nature | 04:01 |
| kanzure | I just-so-happen to have a full archive of nature ... | 04:01 |
| kanzure | Mostly full. | 04:01 |
| gene | wait we have a troll? | 04:01 |
| gene | do you have phyics review? | 04:01 |
| gene | Peng, H. et al. Phys. Rev. Lett. 101, 145501 (2008). | 04:02 |
| gene | or whatever the above is | 04:02 |
| kanzure | Doesn't look like it. | 04:03 |
| gene | damn | 04:03 |
| fenn | can nature be compressed? 40GB is big even for torrents | 04:03 |
| kanzure | I know it is :/ | 04:03 |
| gene | Kanzure has 4tbs of disk space | 04:03 |
| kanzure | it's mostly PDF-images | 04:03 |
| kanzure | 2 | 04:04 |
| gene | oh 2 | 04:04 |
| fenn | kanzure is a single point of failure | 04:04 |
| kanzure | Wait. Let me count. | 04:04 |
| kanzure | 2 TB ... plus another few .. ok, 3.7 TB. So 4. | 04:04 |
| gene | indeed | 04:04 |
| kanzure | yes, I am a giant SPOF. | 04:04 |
| gene | but you got a john doe internet account | 04:04 |
| gene | btw | 04:04 |
| fenn | i mean, uh, "our most valuable asset" | 04:04 |
| kanzure | I have _two_ John Doe accounts. | 04:05 |
| gene | are you running the server out of your dorm? | 04:05 |
| kanzure | yes | 04:05 |
| gene | damn | 04:05 |
| gene | I wish I had a free internet account | 04:05 |
| gene | I have to worry about being throttled down | 04:05 |
| gene | and make all my big downloads on the weekend | 04:06 |
| kanzure | Have you considered paying? | 04:06 |
| gene | because that's when they reset the bandwidth | 04:06 |
| gene | I have | 04:06 |
| gene | max bandwidth I can buy 15 gigs per week | 04:06 |
| gene | is 10 gigs per week enough to run a torr node? | 04:07 |
| willPow3r | depends on which traffic you let tunnel through | 04:07 |
| kanzure | 15 GB/week is hardly enough. | 04:08 |
| kanzure | For anything. | 04:08 |
| gene | like? | 04:09 |
| gene | external conciousness backup? | 04:10 |
| ybit | gracias captian fenn | 04:11 |
| ybit | ..for the link | 04:11 |
| kanzure | ybit: then what does that make me | 04:11 |
| kanzure | captain fenn. humph. | 04:11 |
| kanzure | gene: What the hell is consciousness? | 04:11 |
| gene | I knew you were going to say that | 04:11 |
| gene | lol dunno | 04:12 |
| gene | what is kanzure? | 04:12 |
| willPow3r | omg here we go | 04:12 |
| gene | terminating conversation in: | 04:13 |
| gene | 3 | 04:13 |
| gene | 2 | 04:13 |
| gene | 1 | 04:13 |
| gene | So how about we design an electron beam mill | 04:13 |
| gene | no cutting part = higher replicability? | 04:13 |
| willPow3r | hasn't that been done? | 04:14 |
| gene | maybe | 04:14 |
| gene | electron beam milling has one problem | 04:14 |
| willPow3r | http://gizmodo.com/357420/hercules-laser-is-most-intense-laser-in-the-universe-almost-as-powerful-as-the-death-star | 04:14 |
| gene | it produces x-rays | 04:15 |
| gene | WRONG | 04:15 |
| gene | UT has the most power laser | 04:15 |
| gene | by a different definition of what makes the most powerful laser | 04:16 |
| kanzure | Where'd my designs for the Death Star go? | 04:16 |
| kanzure | Seriously though. | 04:16 |
| gene | damn | 04:16 |
| willPow3r | damn rebels probably stole them | 04:16 |
| gene | you need to watch this one anime | 04:16 |
| gene | where there are like 2 death stars | 04:16 |
| kanzure | willPow3r: I want those plans! | 04:16 |
| gene | have like liquid armor | 04:16 |
| kanzure | And bring me the rebels, I want them alive! | 04:16 |
| gene | Heh | 04:17 |
| gene | I have them | 04:17 |
| gene | on my micro sd card | 04:17 |
| willPow3r | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzoeEdW-EDQ | 04:17 |
| gene | no really I made a folder yesterday called deathstar plans | 04:20 |
| gene | So how do we make an electron beam finishing tool | 04:22 |
| gene | or electron beam litho unit | 04:22 |
| kanzure | So random. | 04:22 |
| drazak | So, I think I'm gonig to write up a research proposal, and try to get into a real lab | 04:23 |
| gene | so why make an electron beam mill? | 04:23 |
| gene | there is a 3d printing process called electron beam melting | 04:23 |
| kanzure_ | drazak: Be careful, you can easily be suckered into doing something completely other than what you're thinking you want to do. | 04:23 |
| drazak | kanzure_: not if I actually write a proposal | 04:23 |
| drazak | :D | 04:23 |
| kanzure_ | drazak: Hah. | 04:24 |
| gene | where you scan an electron beam across metal powder to fuse it | 04:24 |
| kanzure_ | Go ahead, proposals are good, but again, just watch out. | 04:24 |
| gene | one problem though | 04:24 |
| drazak | kanzure_: seriously, I dont' mind doing all the bench work, and such, I want to study Gap Junction Proteins | 04:24 |
| gene | the parts require additional machine | 04:24 |
| gene | *machining | 04:24 |
| kanzure_ | drazak: I'm not saying you do mind the bench work. That's not what I was talking about. | 04:24 |
| drazak | gene: you could just 3d print on a CNC machine | 04:24 |
| drazak | :D | 04:24 |
| gene | so machine them with an electron beam | 04:24 |
| gene | not for complex parts | 04:25 |
| kanzure_ | drazak: Don't get him started. | 04:25 |
| gene | CNC head requires cutting part and moving parts | 04:25 |
| gene | electron beam doesn't | 04:25 |
| gene | it isn't totally replicable | 04:25 |
| gene | but it might be expandable | 04:26 |
| gene | can x-rays damage electronics? | 04:30 |
| gene | nevermind | 04:31 |
| gene | kanzure has is the validator going? | 04:32 |
| kanzure_ | Just need to formalize the file format. | 04:33 |
| kanzure_ | *finalize | 04:33 |
| gene | you got everything in the database right? | 04:34 |
| gene | needed to do validation? | 04:34 |
| kanzure_ | Yes. | 04:34 |
| kanzure_ | Uhm. | 04:34 |
| kanzure_ | Maybe. | 04:34 |
| gene | not every process but enough to figure out replication right? | 04:34 |
| kanzure_ | As it turns out there might not be enough data to come up with the "function structures" in the database because of the information the Other Guys store. | 04:34 |
| kanzure_ | No, there's probably not enough information in the database for that .. most of the information in the database at the moment is from the reverse engineering of consumer products. | 04:35 |
| gene | damn | 04:35 |
| gene | we might end up with replicating blenders | 04:35 |
| gene | btw | 04:36 |
| kanzure_ | One of the "Frankenstein designs" that the Automated Design Lab randomly came up with a few years ago was a bread cutter turned into a meat cutter crossed wtih a toothbrush. | 04:36 |
| gene | I have to see that | 04:37 |
| kanzure_ | Did you see the CFGs? | 04:37 |
| gene | no | 04:37 |
| gene | haven't even heard of CFGs | 04:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/CFGs/ | 04:38 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/CFGs_2/ | 04:38 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/functionstructures/ | 04:38 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/functionstructures_2/ | 04:38 |
| kanzure_ | Look at the PNG files. | 04:38 |
| gene | what the heck are those things | 04:39 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/cdd/ has a link to the CFG that I generated, and then also a file that shows the "function structure" that the MST guys came up with (but this is just drawn/hand-written in .. and it's not a computational format) | 04:39 |
| kanzure_ | They're graphs showing the interconnectivity of the parts. | 04:39 |
| gene | damn | 04:39 |
| gene | that is cool | 04:39 |
| gene | I sorta of get what a CFG is | 04:40 |
| gene | computed function graph | 04:40 |
| kanzure_ | s/computed/component/ | 04:41 |
| gene | ok | 04:41 |
| gene | cool | 04:41 |
| gene | so how did the program make the franken brush-bread-meat-cutter | 04:42 |
| gene | breed those CFGs together? | 04:42 |
| kanzure_ | A program didn't do it. | 04:42 |
| kanzure_ | Or, if it did, then I've not seen it. | 04:42 |
| gene | dang it | 04:42 |
| gene | that isn't automated design | 04:42 |
| kanzure_ | Yes it was. It was rule-oriented. | 04:43 |
| kanzure_ | Anyway, just because I haven't seen the program doesn't mean it doesn't exist. | 04:43 |
| gene | a human did it by manipulating a program? | 04:43 |
| kanzure_ | What are you asking? | 04:43 |
| gene | what degree of human involvement was required? | 04:44 |
| kanzure_ | Hell if I know? They were doing one example for a powerpoint, give it a rest. :p | 04:45 |
| gene | ok | 04:45 |
| gene | so have you ever considered using tanks as replicator feedstock? | 04:46 |
| gene | military tanks | 04:46 |
| gene | there are large stockpiles of tanks out there | 04:47 |
| gene | in other words | 04:48 |
| gene | large piles of parts a replicator might use | 04:48 |
| gene | instead of making parts | 04:48 |
| gene | grab them from something that does | 04:48 |
| kanzure_ | Adding in dependencies on nonreplicating parts doesn't help. | 04:48 |
| gene | but | 04:49 |
| kanzure_ | If you grab it from something that doesn't make its own parts, then it's not a replicator. | 04:49 |
| gene | what about predators | 04:49 |
| kanzure_ | ? | 04:49 |
| gene | mice don't have to make proteins and stuff from dirt | 04:50 |
| gene | they eat plants | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | Plants replicate. | 04:50 |
| gene | so do mice | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | Tanks don't. | 04:50 |
| gene | there are large quantities of tanks in the world | 04:50 |
| kanzure_ | That doesn't matter. | 04:51 |
| gene | miles of junked tanks | 04:51 |
| gene | at least use it as a feedstock for seed | 04:51 |
| gene | a seed I mean | 04:52 |
| gene | actually airplanes might be a better feedstock | 04:52 |
| gene | ah well | 04:54 |
| gene | So what isn't dissolved by hydrofluoric acid? | 04:55 |
| gene | besides plastic | 04:55 |
| gene | nevermind found something | 04:56 |
| gene | http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5932505.html | 04:56 |
| gene | now the question is how to make that | 04:56 |
| gene | Kanzure, do have the elemental composition of a typical asteroid | 04:58 |
| gene | say carbonaceous? | 04:59 |
| kanzure_ | No, but I do have the elemental composition of the moon somewhere. | 04:59 |
| gene | how much carbon is in moon dust? | 05:00 |
| gene | looks like not much | 05:00 |
| gene | http://www.neiu.edu/~jmhemzac/mooncomp.htm | 05:01 |
| gene | no carbon= bad if you want to use bacteria to replicate | 05:05 |
| kanzure_ | No, that's not how you do it. | 05:05 |
| gene | how do you do it? | 05:05 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Moontank | 05:05 |
| kanzure_ | You make a selection experiment with bacteria and the rocks and materials that you would have in the target environment. | 05:05 |
| gene | fuck | 05:05 |
| kanzure_ | This way you continue to care less about carbon. | 05:06 |
| gene | you got me there | 05:06 |
| gene | you need carbon for plastics | 05:07 |
| gene | for storing corrosives | 05:07 |
| gene | and maybe lubricants for machinery | 05:07 |
| kanzure_ | What are you on about now? You were talking about bacteria, but now you want to store corrosives? | 05:07 |
| kanzure_ | I'm going to sleep. | 05:07 |
| gene | yeah | 05:08 |
| gene | can a replicator live off little to no carbon | 05:08 |
| gene | *note replicators designed for space must have radiation hardened electronics | 05:19 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/music2/I%20Leave%20The%20World%20T.%20(rmx).mp3 | 12:03 |
| kanzure | Sent some emails to openmanufacturing. Don't remember what about. | 12:03 |
| kanzure | Oh, one in reply to Jon cc'd to openmanufacturing. | 12:03 |
| kanzure | Huh. Jef's on openmanufacturing. | 12:15 |
| * kanzure leaves. | 12:20 | |
| procto | I'm back! | 13:35 |
| kanzure_1_ | So am I. | 15:57 |
| kanzure_1_ | Ah, procto, back from SF? | 15:57 |
| procto | indeed | 15:57 |
| kanzure_1_ | Jon got back to me again | 16:01 |
| kanzure_1_ | http://avocado-cad.sourceforge.net/ CAD XML format | 16:01 |
| kanzure_1_ | #avoCADo | 16:02 |
| kanzure_1_ | Crap. | 16:03 |
| kanzure_1_ | Anyway, it looks like yet-another-open-source-CAD initiative | 16:03 |
| kanzure_1_ | I should probably at least try the software this time. | 16:03 |
| kanzure_1_ | http://www.blendernation.com/2006/04/27/cad-modeling-in-blender/ | 16:05 |
| ybit | now this is interesting | 17:00 |
| ybit | ybit2 is still online even after the screen won't come on | 17:00 |
| ybit | so it essentially confirms what i thought the problem may be | 17:01 |
| ybit | a shortage | 17:01 |
| ybit | maaybe the graphics card | 17:01 |
| ybit | anywho | 17:01 |
| * ybit is thankful for cg:irc | 17:02 | |
| ybit | cgi:irc | 17:02 |
| xp_prg | hi all! | 17:20 |
| nsh | hey | 17:22 |
| ybit | so much for testing Virtual Forbidden City ( http://www.physorg.com/news142874414.html ) it doesn't want to run on this comp. | 17:31 |
| bkero | I'll forbidden your virtual city. | 17:39 |
| ybit | :P | 17:40 |
| ybit | i have no clue what that is supposed to mean :) | 17:40 |
| bkero | I'll mom your virtual forbidden. | 17:40 |
| bkero | If you put me in the right mood I'll even forbidden your virtual mom. | 17:40 |
| ybit | sounds kind of gay | 17:40 |
| ybit | with a little incest | 17:41 |
| bkero | How is me giving it to your mom considered incest? | 17:41 |
| ybit | "I'll mom your virtual forbidden." = incest ... perhaps you are sticking my forbidden in my virtual mom. "I'll forbidden your virtual city." = gay | 17:43 |
| bkero | You're reading way too much into this. | 17:44 |
| ybit | hehe | 17:44 |
| ybit | keeping this conversation alive... http://staff.washington.edu//deepakc/downloads.html -- looks like a city is becoming forbidden in the top-left icon | 17:46 |
| bkero | By submerging? | 17:47 |
| ybit | heh, correct | 17:47 |
| kanzure_1_ | Almost done extracting files from the .repo data set. There's some extra stuff in there that I've been neglecting. | 17:47 |
| kanzure_1_ | (At the moment I've forgotten how to use XML::Simple to return either the name of the root XML element or let me search for an XML element in the document ($data->{$var} is surprisingly not it) | 17:48 |
| * kanzure_1_ leaves. | 17:48 | |
| ybit | oh yeah, who saw the links from thomas on diybio? | 17:53 |
| ybit | http://staff.washington.edu//deepakc/downloads.html | 17:54 |
| ybit | http://synbioss.sourceforge.net/ | 17:54 |
| ybit | http://openjacob.org/ | 17:54 |
| splicer | the idea of being able to describe and simulate wetware is incredibly fucking cool | 17:54 |
| fenn | oo nice turtle @ deepakc | 17:57 |
| ybit | damn this turtle talk | 18:06 |
| ybit | what does it mean? | 18:06 |
| ybit | anywho, too bad the deepakc programs are all closed source | 18:07 |
| ybit | turtles are programs with good ideas but which are closed source? | 18:08 |
| ybit | they are good ideas, but they aren't speeding along progress as fast as it could | 18:09 |
| ybit | it/they* | 18:09 |
| ybit | it was explained briefly once before, but i forget | 18:12 |
| fenn | i meant the turtle picture: http://staff.washington.edu//deepakc/images/title.jpg | 18:18 |
| ybit | ah :) | 18:32 |
| splicer | It came to me one day; It's fractals all the way down | 18:39 |
| ybit | were you smoking the mary? | 18:40 |
| splicer | i was bitchslapping someone with one hand | 18:41 |
| ybit | :P | 18:41 |
| ybit | figured it was the weed since it unclutters the mind | 18:41 |
| ybit | perhaps it would make sense that you were on acid to see fractals though | 18:42 |
| ybit | but whatever you were on to realize that everything is fractals while bitchslapping someone, that's the stuff i want | 18:43 |
| splicer | Try bitchslapping with boredom | 18:44 |
| ybit | heh | 18:44 |
| ybit | ow, that hurts | 18:44 |
| * ybit notes not to bitchslap a windows machine | 18:45 | |
| bkero | Throw it out a window. | 18:46 |
| splicer | Fuck.. I really like the way biobricks is going... that people are using them and building software around them, activity | 18:48 |
| splicer | waiting for the biohacker wave to come | 18:49 |
| splicer | Jag har svårt att avgöra om du är allvarlig. | 18:51 |
| splicer | Ingen vill ha ett angiversisamhälle. Det man vill ha är en befolkning | 18:52 |
| splicer | som drar åt samma håll. Ett angiverisamhälle har rakt motsatt effekt. | 18:52 |
| splicer | hehe.. sorry | 18:52 |
| kanzure | SynBioSS claims to be GenoCAD / what we were talking about since forever | 19:02 |
| kanzure | Splicer: It's also fractals all the way up. | 19:02 |
| kanzure | So, let's check the synbioss file formats and methodology there | 19:02 |
| kanzure | http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/designer/interface1.php | 19:03 |
| kanzure | yikes | 19:03 |
| kanzure | flat form | 19:03 |
| splicer | Kanz: does that make us fractals then? | 19:03 |
| kanzure | oh well, not too terrible | 19:03 |
| kanzure | There's iteration, recursion and some fractality to it all, but I would _not_ claim that "an identity is a fractal". | 19:03 |
| kanzure | There's no formalized definition of identity in the first place, you see, so that makes it hard to answer your question. | 19:04 |
| splicer | who knows.. maybe there is a small city in some fardown mandelbrot twirl | 19:06 |
| kanzure | You mean, like, on a planet? | 19:06 |
| kanzure | Splicer: http://heybryan.org/wildness.html is exactly what you just said. | 19:07 |
| splicer | hehe.. except the universe has limits I think | 19:07 |
| kanzure | Splicer: see also heybryan.org/docs/2007-10-23_trip.html | 19:08 |
| kanzure | wildness.html does assume the universe infinite. | 19:08 |
| kanzure | Hrm. I realize now that 2007-10-23_trip.html sounds like a schizophrenic wrote it. Neat. I can emulate schizophrenia. (This is probably Not Good.) | 19:09 |
| kanzure | Anyway, ybit2 - I don't quite have time at the moment to go through synbioss.sf.net and see what file formats they're using, but it would be nice to find the union between their file formats and the http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/repo/ .repo file formats. | 19:10 |
| kanzure | fenn: re: 40 GB being a hefty torrent, | 19:10 |
| kanzure | what are you talking about? I just downloaded 20 GB of pokemon episodes. big deal. | 19:10 |
| fenn | 40GB is a big torrent, not my problem you're a pokemon freak | 19:15 |
| kanzure_ | todo: proof of concept on automated ordering of supplies and parts for synbioss constructs | 19:16 |
| kanzure_ | since they're already using a repository. | 19:16 |
| kanzure_ | besides, what they do apparently is have biobrick teams go yell at each other until they find one that has a certain vector or plasmid in stock for what they want to do | 19:16 |
| kanzure_ | but first, compatability and seeing if synbioss isn't cheating some of the data :) | 19:16 |
| kanzure | Jon also linked over to http://www.blendernation.com/2006/04/27/cad-modeling-in-blender/ | 19:18 |
| kanzure | http://www2.futureware.at/~philipp/BlendXML/ | 19:18 |
| kanzure | he's more interested in 3D model sharing it seems | 19:18 |
| kanzure | besides the numerous problems with just blatantly chucking 3D models into the repositories is that you get the situation that I'm currently in | 19:19 |
| kanzure | i.e., the .repo files have these stupid subfiles at the moment | 19:19 |
| kanzure | so I've been extracting those for the hour that I was sitting in the lab | 19:19 |
| kanzure | and there's no information linkage back to the actual .repo XML stuff, so it's just off in lala land :( | 19:19 |
| * kanzure should be telling this to Jon, not #hplusroadmap | 19:19 | |
| kanzure | somebody yell at the guys for the limited types on the synbioss site -- those need to be expanded for the 'function structure' capability that I've been wrangling out of the .repo files | 19:21 |
| kanzure | the types in the selectbox on the interface1.php script I mean | 19:22 |
| procto | xp_prg: yes, I'm a developer | 20:00 |
| procto | xp_prg: I have plenty of experience with prototype and jquery, less so with dojo. have also played around with scriptaculous a few other frameworks. | 20:01 |
| procto | xp_prg: didn't want to keep flooding peoples' inboxes | 20:01 |
| xp_prg | procto cool man! | 20:05 |
| xp_prg | hi! | 20:05 |
| xp_prg | what is your preference, have you seen wavemaker? | 20:05 |
| procto | xp_prg: my pref is jquery. I'm Mike K on the list, in case you forgot :> | 20:11 |
| xp_prg | procto that is my preference as well | 20:28 |
| xp_prg | procto are you interested in writing code for biobench? | 20:29 |
| xp_prg | I could sure use the help! :> | 20:29 |
| kanzure | wow this looks so magically terrible | 20:37 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/me302/2008-10-13_Gantt_chart.html | 20:37 |
| kanzure | k, I need to run | 20:37 |
| splicer | GFP doesn't glow under normal lighting conditions right? One needs an UV light or something? | 20:37 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: haha, procto doesn't need to help you .. | 20:37 |
| kanzure | splicer: go ask maradydd | 20:37 |
| xp_prg | how come? | 20:37 |
| * kanzure runs off to ME302 class | 20:37 | |
| splicer | she died | 20:37 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: heh, it's rather simple now that all of the hard work has been done for you | 20:37 |
| kanzure | oh teh noes | 20:37 |
| kanzure | anyway, I'm really really not here | 20:38 |
| xp_prg | ok bye! | 20:38 |
| splicer | hehe.. bye | 20:38 |
| procto | xp_prg: I'd help, but i'm waaay too busy | 20:42 |
| xp_prg | ok | 20:42 |
| procto | kanzure: is maradydd == meredith patterson? | 20:42 |
| ybit | the best sports match i've ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8 | 21:05 |
| splicer | procto: yes, her | 21:26 |
| kanzure_1_ | procto: yes | 22:01 |
| kanzure_1_ | What format is "CDATA" in? All of the data within the XML files is always looking the same even though I know a zip shouldn't be looking like CDD, etc. | 22:53 |
| kanzure | http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/wiki/index.php/Special:Model?model=bistable | 23:44 |
| kanzure | http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/wiki/index.php/Special:Model?model=and_gate | 23:44 |
| kanzure | what is BioModelWiki? a plugin? | 23:46 |
| kanzure | Yep, uses SBML. | 23:46 |
| kanzure | stupid software is windows-only | 23:48 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: Ok. I lied. SynBioSS is Windows-only. Will have to be converted to run on linux installations. | 23:48 |
| xp_prg | is that opensource? | 23:56 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:59 |
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