| --- Day changed Sat Oct 18 2008 | ||
| kanzure_ | Only if you want to exceed your limits is trade necessary. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| kanzure_ | And even then you're still spiraling down the path to the dark side .. | 00:00 |
| ybit | heh | 00:00 |
| kanzure_ | Uh, I mean, spiraling down to zero resources. So some percent has to be spent on exploration and so on. | 00:00 |
| -!- brain|washing is now known as brain|food | 00:02 | |
| ybit | oi willPow3r | 00:03 |
| kanzure_ | ybit: Part of the problem is that some people on the openmanufacturing list might be looking for an ad hoc solution. | 00:04 |
| kanzure_ | i.e., a way to patch the bleeding wounds, the concept of just growing without actually knowing what materials are available and such. | 00:05 |
| ybit | heh, i guess you are referring to the emails concerning buying a bunch of land :P | 00:05 |
| kanzure_ | Yes, but no, some people there in general seem to be of the mindset. | 00:05 |
| fenn | gasp, kanzure said a dirty word | 00:06 |
| kanzure_ | mind? | 00:07 |
| fenn | "spending resources" | 00:07 |
| * kanzure_ looks. | 00:08 | |
| willPow3r | g'day ybit, kanzure_ | 00:08 |
| kanzure_ | Oh crap, 'spent'. | 00:09 |
| kanzure_ | Yes, I see. | 00:09 |
| kanzure_ | Alternative wordings? | 00:09 |
| fenn | allocated for | 00:09 |
| kanzure_ | Yes. | 00:09 |
| willPow3r | http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-10/ru-bbc101608.php | 00:09 |
| fenn | unless you blow it up in the stratosphere and the vapor is unrecoverable, of course | 00:10 |
| kanzure_ | ? | 00:10 |
| kanzure_ | oh, the rocket | 00:10 |
| kanzure_ | What about energy? You still have to allocate energy, which then goes off as red. | 00:10 |
| fenn | yeah but most of the cost of the rocket is not in the materials, it's all on the ground still (factories, scientists) | 00:10 |
| kanzure_ | Dyson sphere solution, but even then; never ending encasings of dyson spheres until you just have a giant Dysonverse, etc. etc.. | 00:10 |
| kanzure_ | Right. | 00:10 |
| fenn | energy is not such a big deal as far as exploration goes | 00:11 |
| fenn | when you want to lift billions of people and furnishings into orbit is when you have to worry about energy budgets | 00:11 |
| kanzure_ | Just blow up the planet. | 00:11 |
| fenn | but i figure by that time you have enough capacity in orbit already that you can expand energy infrastructure indefinitely | 00:11 |
| kanzure_ | or crash the moon into it. | 00:12 |
| fenn | i think the dyson sphere is a stupid idea | 00:12 |
| kanzure_ | fusion? | 00:12 |
| fenn | just burn up the star material in your own fusion reactors where you need it | 00:12 |
| kanzure_ | what's wrong with fusion | 00:12 |
| fenn | instead of making this goofy inefficient system based on gravity confinement | 00:13 |
| fenn | dams and gasoline are both stored solar energy | 00:13 |
| fenn | nevermind | 00:13 |
| kanzure_ | Right. | 00:14 |
| * nsh frowns | 00:18 | |
| kanzure_ | nsh: ? | 00:18 |
| nsh | i have two broken metatarsi | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | ? | 00:19 |
| nsh | foot-bones | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | What did you do? | 00:19 |
| nsh | landed :-/ | 00:19 |
| kanzure_ | Skydiving? | 00:19 |
| nsh | just jumping down from a building | 00:20 |
| nsh | but did not land well | 00:20 |
| ybit | nsh: running from the cops again, finally caught up to you this time ;) | 00:38 |
| ybit | stupid comma slice | 00:39 |
| ybit | anywhos, was getting prepared to fix my server | 00:39 |
| ybit | i *will* find the problem sometime this week | 00:39 |
| ybit | well, guess i should get ready to hit on some nerdy girls | 00:40 |
| ybit | ...if i can find any | 00:40 |
| * ybit waves | 00:40 | |
| * ybit has a 2.63% chance of getting laid tonight | 00:43 | |
| ybit | uh, i forgot to factor in alcohol, whoops | 00:43 |
| * ybit shuts up | 00:45 | |
| nsh | you know how, in quantum mechanics, measuring something changes its value... | 00:46 |
| nsh | i get the feeling that you have have sealed your fate to remain in a pure state this evening by engaging in such statistical speculation | 00:47 |
| -!- gene_ is now known as genetherapy | 01:20 | |
| kanzure_ | Hrm. This worries me. | 01:32 |
| kanzure_ | "Please enter your email address and last four digits of your social security number to see your username and password," says the "forgot your pass" form for my internet connection. | 01:32 |
| kanzure_ | I don't think they realize how little tries it will take on 4 digits .. | 01:33 |
| kanzure_ | 9999 page requests is a piece of cake. | 01:33 |
| kanzure_ | I also know the email addresses of other people in this building. | 01:33 |
| -!- brain|food is now known as mindspillage | 01:36 | |
| kanzure | Resource conflict. | 02:40 |
| kanzure | Any hints? | 02:40 |
| ybit | well, no ladies tonight, except for a drunken, unattractive girl | 04:48 |
| ybit | there was plenty of alcohol and mary, but where were the women?! | 04:49 |
| ybit | btw, i didn't have any of that, too doped up on modafinil right now | 04:49 |
| bkero | http://learnyouahaskell.com/ | 04:53 |
| ybit | bkero: i take it you use xmonad now? | 04:56 |
| bkero | ybit: lol fuck no | 04:56 |
| bkero | We host DARCS at the OSL. I wouldn't touch that shit with a 10 foot pole. | 04:57 |
| bkero | ESPECIALLY after learning Haskell. | 04:57 |
| ybit | heh | 04:57 |
| ybit | nice tutorial btw, it's colorful and it reminds me of the "casting spells in lisp" tutorial | 04:57 |
| ybit | ...kind of :) | 04:58 |
| bkero | It's got an elephant with glasses. | 05:04 |
| ybit | yeah, that, that's what made me think of a wizard ;) | 05:05 |
| genetherapy | any of you guys going to maker faire? | 05:16 |
| bkero | I went two eyars ago | 05:18 |
| bkero | I want to go | 05:18 |
| bkero | But bay area is a ways away | 05:18 |
| ybit | grr, every girl, attending my school, which i find on facebook, if they happen to have an interest related to anything somewhat nerdy, they have to mention how much they love a dead guy named "jesus" | 05:18 |
| ybit | oh well, i've met a few through biology/chemistry clubbing, Monday should be interesting in this regard | 05:19 |
| ybit | yeah, i'm sure you all don't want to hear this, maybe i will keep this stuff to myself next time | 05:21 |
| bkero | There are a ton of girls in biology. | 05:21 |
| bkero | Tell the jesus ones to fuck off though. | 05:22 |
| ybit | if i see them, i will tell them to die and rot in the ground like everyone else | 05:22 |
| genetherapy | Ah come on man, just use your teleporter | 05:22 |
| genetherapy | you have one right | 05:22 |
| ybit | heh, no i don't, mind teleporting here, so i can use yours :) | 05:23 |
| genetherapy | do those girls ever happen to dispute certain facts? | 05:23 |
| bkero | ybit: Just tell them that you don't need a god to make you feel alright. | 05:23 |
| genetherapy | this is a the fly style teleporter | 05:24 |
| genetherapy | meaning you have to have two booths | 05:25 |
| genetherapy | the chamber is also sufficiently irradiated before hand to insure that no scifi scenarios occur | 05:26 |
| ybit | man, that teleporter sucks | 05:26 |
| ybit | i'll stick to flying :) | 05:27 |
| genetherapy | good choice | 05:27 |
| fenn | ballistic catapults | 05:28 |
| genetherapy | bad choice | 05:28 |
| fenn | tether transport catapults? | 05:29 |
| genetherapy | acceleration needed to do that is many many times that which a human can survive | 05:29 |
| fenn | not true | 05:29 |
| genetherapy | really? | 05:29 |
| fenn | 1.8g is the optimum accel for earth | 05:29 |
| genetherapy | for a ballistic catapult? | 05:29 |
| fenn | for an orbital tether system | 05:30 |
| genetherapy | oh | 05:30 |
| genetherapy | ok | 05:30 |
| genetherapy | maybe | 05:30 |
| fenn | tether reaches down, grabs you, flings into sky, you fall at destination | 05:30 |
| genetherapy | I prefer gravity trams though | 05:30 |
| genetherapy | drill a hole from point a to b line with centering magnets and fill with nothing | 05:31 |
| fenn | parabolic arc right? | 05:31 |
| genetherapy | drop tram at point a, stop it at point b | 05:31 |
| genetherapy | no | 05:31 |
| fenn | "yer doin it wrong" | 05:31 |
| genetherapy | pretty much a straight line | 05:31 |
| fenn | no need for magnets | 05:32 |
| genetherapy | you don't need them | 05:32 |
| genetherapy | it's just so you don't have a chance of hitting the walls | 05:33 |
| genetherapy | http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=696 | 05:33 |
| fenn | i dont think that would work on earth.. the whole molten iron core thing | 05:34 |
| genetherapy | it makes more sense on the moon | 05:34 |
| genetherapy | with it's solid core | 05:34 |
| genetherapy | Although I hear the moon is potentially geologically active | 05:35 |
| fenn | i dont see any volcanoes | 05:35 |
| genetherapy | http://moonbaseone.blogspot.com/2006/11/moon-is-geologically-active.html | 05:36 |
| genetherapy | http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070730_gassy_moon.html | 05:38 |
| genetherapy | there aren't volcanoes | 05:39 |
| genetherapy | there are radon gas explosions | 05:40 |
| genetherapy | http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/060324_moonquakes.html | 05:40 |
| genetherapy | and there are moonquakes | 05:40 |
| genetherapy | oh yeah did you see this: http://www.dailytech.com/Single+Neuron+UnParalyzes+Monkeys+in+Test/article13223.htm | 05:41 |
| genetherapy | apparently a monkey can control it's paralyzed arm with a SINGLE NEURON | 05:42 |
| fenn | i'm still trying to figure out what exactly they did | 05:44 |
| fenn | if it's just connecting a wire from the monkey's brain to the monkey's arm, how come we're first hearing about this in 2008? | 05:46 |
| genetherapy | what do you mean? | 05:46 |
| fenn | seems really basic | 05:46 |
| genetherapy | yeah | 05:47 |
| genetherapy | they did this a while back | 05:47 |
| genetherapy | except the monkey controlled a robotic arm | 05:47 |
| genetherapy | now they're connecting to a real arm | 05:48 |
| genetherapy | I am doubtful of the extent of the monkey had over the real arm | 05:49 |
| genetherapy | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/science/29brain.html?ref=science | 05:50 |
| fenn | t-slot monkey :) | 05:52 |
| genetherapy | don't you just love modular components? | 05:53 |
| fenn | werent they controlling cruise missiles with cats in the 80's? | 05:53 |
| genetherapy | they were? | 05:54 |
| genetherapy | actually I think that was the 1950s and with pigeons | 05:54 |
| genetherapy | or are you mixing up neuromancer with real life? | 05:55 |
| bkero | lol | 05:55 |
| bkero | You should read accelerando. | 05:55 |
| fenn | i think i read about this in 'secret life of plants' | 05:55 |
| bkero | A based on crabs. | 05:55 |
| bkero | AI based on crabs | 05:55 |
| genetherapy | ai based on squids makes more sense | 05:56 |
| genetherapy | squids have big easy to study neurons | 05:56 |
| fenn | AI based on biology is silly no matter how you slice it | 05:56 |
| genetherapy | oh | 05:57 |
| genetherapy | the secret lives of plants | 05:57 |
| genetherapy | Why is it silly? | 05:57 |
| fenn | its like making planes with flapping wings | 05:57 |
| genetherapy | that does not make sense | 05:57 |
| fenn | and having no theoretical understanding of aerodynamics | 05:57 |
| genetherapy | even pterodactyls didn't fly by flapping | 05:58 |
| genetherapy | flapping makes more sense on small scales | 05:58 |
| fenn | there were lots of attempts at making airplanes with flapping wings | 05:58 |
| genetherapy | yeah | 05:58 |
| genetherapy | flapping doesn't make sense as you scale it up | 05:59 |
| genetherapy | although biologically produced methane ramjets might or H2O2-catalyzer might | 06:00 |
| fenn | you've been reading too much science fiction | 06:01 |
| fenn | http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation history/ornithopters/images/2a.jpg | 06:02 |
| genetherapy | if we ever manage to write a dev environment for life, one of the things I want to make is an animal that breaks the sound barrier | 06:02 |
| genetherapy | this is a biohacking forum | 06:02 |
| fenn | no it isn't | 06:02 |
| genetherapy | link is broken | 06:02 |
| genetherapy | But I know what ornithopters are | 06:03 |
| fenn | http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/ornithopters/images/2a.jpg | 06:03 |
| genetherapy | and have heard about big ones | 06:03 |
| genetherapy | heh steampunk | 06:03 |
| genetherapy | http://www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/1831steam.jpg | 06:04 |
| genetherapy | steampunk from the age of steam | 06:04 |
| genetherapy | it's fairly accurate | 06:04 |
| genetherapy | of what today is like | 06:04 |
| genetherapy | except with gas stations instead of coal stations | 06:05 |
| genetherapy | but they did predict fast food | 06:06 |
| fenn | and better fed dogs | 06:06 |
| genetherapy | yeah | 06:06 |
| fenn | what is "infernal defiance" and "dreadful vengeance" supposed to mean? | 06:07 |
| fenn | oh those are their names | 06:07 |
| genetherapy | back in the 1800s they didn't have copyright | 06:08 |
| genetherapy | which means they didn't run out of cool names to use and start using weird words that no one has heard of | 06:08 |
| fenn | i think you mean trademark | 06:09 |
| fenn | cool plane: http://www.bugattiaircraft.com/kalempa.htm | 06:23 |
| fenn | http://www.bugattiaircraft.com/images/cance2.jpg | 06:26 |
| willPower__ | lol: http://www.virtualworldlets.net/Shop/ProductsDisplay/VRInterface.php?ID=3 | 09:28 |
| willPower__ | the military, once again, leading the way in technological development: http://www.vuzix.com/tactical/nextgen_systems_wearable_computing.html | 15:58 |
| willPower__ | yay military | 16:00 |
| wrldpc | MIT has been fielding prototypes for this kind of stuff for decades. | 16:31 |
| * willPower__ wonders where the fruit of said prototypes/research is... | 17:23 | |
| nsh | forbidden and tasty | 17:31 |
| willPower__ | my favorite kind | 17:52 |
| elias` | are there any nice heuristics to rename non-descriptive PDF filenames to something that resembles the intended title? | 18:03 |
| ybit | elias`: you could write a program which converts the pdf to postscript, searches for the title tag, and then converts it back to pdf i suppose | 18:13 |
| ybit | or do you need the original .ps file... probably so | 18:14 |
| willPower__ | or use the first few lines of pdf2html output | 18:14 |
| elias` | the title metadata? | 18:14 |
| elias` | I found something that does that, unfortunately it's almost useless | 18:15 |
| elias` | only maybe 10% of PDFs have useful title metadata | 18:15 |
| willPower__ | do you know how to bash script? | 18:15 |
| elias` | pdf2{html,text} output still needs to be filtered appropriately to get filename-sized output | 18:15 |
| willPower__ | thats what awk and sed can be used for | 18:16 |
| willPower__ | are you on linux? | 18:16 |
| elias` | yes | 18:16 |
| elias` | just couldn't be bothered to find heuristics for filtering it if someone else has done that already | 18:16 |
| willPower__ | or pdfinfo | 18:20 |
| wrldpc | http://infomine.ucr.edu/ | 20:27 |
| -!- nsh_ is now known as nsh | 21:27 | |
| fenn | i'd love to see a screenshot from one of those military goggles.. what is it, icons on a windows desktop or something? | 21:52 |
| ybit | is skdb good for parametric design/manufacturing, hmm | 22:16 |
| bkero | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EMP_areas.JPG | 22:16 |
| ybit | what parameters will be included in the yaml markup? | 22:19 |
| fenn | lots of them | 22:19 |
| willPow3r | the video unit in the goggles displays 800x600, which is the highest resolution i've seen available | 22:19 |
| willPow3r | but it takes any vga input i think | 22:19 |
| ybit | and if it's not there, suppose i can put it in :) | 22:20 |
| ybit | it = parameters need | 22:20 |
| ybit | needed* | 22:20 |
| -!- xp_prg2 is now known as xp_prg | 22:23 | |
| ybit | yikes, kanzure, when do you think heybryan.org will be up? wanted to check out http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Skdb | 22:28 |
| xp_prg | is kanzure here? | 22:29 |
| ybit | kanzure_1_ is :) | 22:29 |
| ybit | not sure if that's him or not though | 22:29 |
| ybit | xp_prg: any progress on the ajax interface? | 22:29 |
| xp_prg | working on it now, need to get to my web page at http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/BioBench | 22:30 |
| xp_prg | its not coming up :( | 22:30 |
| ybit | i know his internet access has been limited : | 22:32 |
| ybit | what ajax framework did you decide on? | 22:32 |
| xp_prg | jquery | 22:32 |
| xp_prg | ybit want to assist? | 22:33 |
| ybit | let me get back with you on that :) | 22:34 |
| ybit | maybe later after i have my server setup (hopefully this coming week) | 22:35 |
| xp_prg | ybit we are going to use google app engine, it has a server you can setup in minutes! | 22:39 |
| ybit | interesting | 22:40 |
| ybit | it's still a preview release :| | 22:41 |
| xp_prg | it will work don't worry :> | 22:41 |
| xp_prg | download it if you don't believe me :> | 22:42 |
| ybit | hmm | 22:42 |
| ybit | i kanzure | 22:42 |
| ybit | xp_prg: btw, i wasn't implying that i was going to use my server to develop it, sorry | 22:44 |
| kanzure | The internets are no longer free. | 22:44 |
| kanzure | $290 for an 8 Mbit line for the rest of the semester. | 22:44 |
| xp_prg | dude bummer! | 22:44 |
| kanzure | Anyway, I just got back from Make. | 22:44 |
| ybit | damn | 22:44 |
| xp_prg | Kanzure where was that at? | 22:44 |
| ybit | austin | 22:45 |
| kanzure | Austin. | 22:45 |
| * ybit quits answerng questions directed to kanzure | 22:45 | |
| kanzure | It's interesting because when I start talking to people, I blabber on about various projects and so on, and then they say, "Oh, yes, I know. You're Bryan." "Awesome! Who the fuck are you?" | 22:45 |
| kanzure | I was just talking with nublabs/Boston-fablab. Alec Resnick was there. He had mailed me a hard drive a few days ago, so it was awkward when I found out that it was him that I was talking to there. :-/ | 22:45 |
| kanzure | Mailed as in, mailed it from Boston. | 22:46 |
| ybit | a hard drive? what, why? | 22:46 |
| kanzure | Data trading ring. | 22:46 |
| ybit | heh | 22:46 |
| kanzure | Fuck. 1500 unread emails. | 22:46 |
| xp_prg | kanzure can I not get back to my project page then>? | 22:46 |
| ybit | you know, there's such thing as encryption, right? :) | 22:46 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: You'll have to give me a few minutes to download all of my email and then I'll wire up the server again. | 22:47 |
| kanzure | I really, really need to know what program I need to use to get the server working as a router for me. | 22:47 |
| kanzure | Hm, another 500 unread emails. | 22:49 |
| * drazak needs to get a supscription to nature molbio | 22:51 | |
| kanzure | No you don't. I'll give you nature molbio in a zip soon. | 22:52 |
| drazak | I want a physical copy though | 22:56 |
| drazak | I kinda want biochem too | 22:56 |
| drazak | :S | 22:56 |
| * nsh blinks | 22:57 | |
| nsh | a book, i can understand | 22:57 |
| nsh | but why would you want to read journal articles on tree? | 22:57 |
| drazak | kanzure: eh, I'll take a zip though | 22:57 |
| drazak | nsh: because... I'm weird? | 22:57 |
| drazak | I don't spend enough time at a computer anymore to read stuff like that on it | 22:58 |
| nsh | fair enough | 22:58 |
| * nsh nods | 23:00 | |
| nsh | e-ink readers will be pretty prevailant in the next few years, hopefully | 23:00 |
| kanzure | from Nathan Cravens - 'By building mathematical models of its own employees, IBM aims to improve productivity and automate management' - http://thenumerati.net/index.cfm?postID=76 | 23:01 |
| drazak | I wrote down the specs for one I'd want to make/design | 23:01 |
| drazak | no thicker than 3/8"s though | 23:01 |
| drazak | lcd on the front, metal case, touch screen, sd card and wireless | 23:02 |
| fenn | http://www.positron.org/projects/A51/ | 23:08 |
| nsh | WANT | 23:10 |
| kanzure | Internet archive now has February of heybryan. | 23:11 |
| kanzure | "Haren says the efforts under way at places like IBM will not only break down each worker into sets of skills and knowledge. The same systems will also divide their days and weeks into small periods of time--hours, half-hours, eventually even minutes." | 23:12 |
| kanzure | "At the same time, the jobs that have to be done, whether it's building a software program or designing an airliner, are also broken down into tiny steps. In this sense, Haren might as well be describing the industrial engineering that led to assembly lines a century ago." | 23:12 |
| kanzure | "Big jobs are parsed into thousands of tasks and divided among many workers. But the work Haren is discussing is not done by hand, hydraulic presses, or even robots. It flows from the brain. The labor is defined by knowledge and ideas. As he sees it, that expertise will be tapped minute by minute across the world." | 23:12 |
| kanzure | Interesting formulation of the same issues. I wouldn't have said it quite like that, but whatever. | 23:12 |
| fenn | yay manna | 23:13 |
| kanzure | ? | 23:13 |
| fenn | marshallbrain.com | 23:13 |
| * nsh thnks of ted nelson | 23:13 | |
| kanzure | Poor Ted. | 23:13 |
| nsh | mm | 23:14 |
| kanzure | http://onlinemetals.com/ <- I need to email these guys about setting up the automated ordering and quoting services. They're excited about these ideas. | 23:14 |
| kanzure | fenn: I talked with the bug guys :-) But I'm not sure what I said. | 23:14 |
| fenn | bug guys? | 23:14 |
| kanzure | uhm | 23:15 |
| kanzure | they were on some webtv thing | 23:15 |
| kanzure | they were doing plug-and-play robotics | 23:15 |
| kanzure | reconfigurable parts. | 23:15 |
| fenn | the reconfigurable personal gadget guys? | 23:15 |
| fenn | ok | 23:15 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:15 |
| kanzure | weren't they bug-something? | 23:15 |
| fenn | bug labs | 23:15 |
| nsh | hmm | 23:15 |
| kanzure | from Tony's end: "GOTO http://psoup.math.wisc.edu/mcell/mjcell/mjcell.html Start MJCell -- it selects Brian's Brain by default, B being early in the alphabet. A CA in which nearly everything persistent is moving at C and it is the exceptions that are interesting." | 23:29 |
| fenn | they're missing the fact that hydraulic presses and robots don't try to game the system | 23:38 |
| ybit | heh, i thought of manna too when reading on the ibm system | 23:39 |
| kanzure | Argh. Too much to do, not enough time to write a proper todo list. | 23:51 |
| -!- splicer_ is now known as splicer | 23:51 | |
| kanzure | http://mindbroker.de/wiki/SingularityUniversity | 23:53 |
| kanzure | http://singularityu.org/ | 23:53 |
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