| --- Day changed Wed Oct 22 2008 | ||
| kanzure | launch in 15 minutes http://www.isro.org/pslv-c11/videos/introduction.htm | 00:40 |
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| fenn | i didnt even know india had a space program | 01:17 |
| kanzure | "where else are they going to go" | 01:18 |
| willPow3r_ | "chandrayaan" sounds a lot like "challenger" | 01:20 |
| willPow3r_ | not that i'm wishing anything bad upon them. i love india | 01:29 |
| percent_ | Okay, fuckers | 03:13 |
| percent_ | Since I almost just fucking died | 03:13 |
| percent_ | Tell me why the fuck an unpowered DC power supply would, upon connecting it (via alligator clips) to a very hot vacuum furnace's high voltage feedthrough would fucking through a gigantic spark and kill the power to the whole row of rockets on the wall | 03:14 |
| willPow3r_ | jihading not going so well? | 03:14 |
| percent_ | Seriously | 03:14 |
| percent_ | If I hadn't taped that alligator clip | 03:15 |
| percent_ | My black ass would have been fucking fried | 03:15 |
| percent_ | FRIED | 03:15 |
| percent_ | LIKE CHICKEN | 03:15 |
| bkero | Mmm | 03:15 |
| bkero | fried chicken | 03:15 |
| willPow3r_ | mmm... fried chicken | 03:15 |
| percent_ | Also | 03:15 |
| percent_ | Fuck complicated labs | 03:15 |
| percent_ | can't find the circuit breaker | 03:15 |
| percent_ | *turns on one switch* | 03:16 |
| percent_ | *turbopump spins down* | 03:16 |
| percent_ | OH SHI- *frantically turns switch back* | 03:16 |
| willPow3r_ | maybe u need to replace the vacuum tube? | 03:16 |
| willPow3r_ | or a fuse | 03:16 |
| willPow3r_ | what kind of lab are you working in? | 03:17 |
| percent_ | MEMS | 03:18 |
| percent_ | it's THE NANOSCIENCE, YO | 03:18 |
| percent_ | This is just basic electronics | 03:18 |
| willPow3r_ | did u watch the safety video prior to engaging in lab activity? | 03:19 |
| percent_ | no fuck you | 03:19 |
| percent_ | tell me how to make my goddamn reactor work again you cocksucking faggot | 03:20 |
| willPow3r_ | 2nd switch on the left | 03:20 |
| willPow3r_ | turn right full | 03:21 |
| percent_ | fuck | 03:21 |
| percent_ | is anyone in here a nanoscientist or somethin | 03:21 |
| percent_ | any nanoscientists...? | 03:22 |
| willPow3r_ | there are, but they're too small to use a keyboard | 03:23 |
| * willPow3r_ shuts up now. | 03:23 | |
| -!- percent_ is now known as jihaaaad | 03:23 | |
| jihaaaad | ... | 03:24 |
| jihaaaad | *raises AK into air* | 03:24 |
| jihaaaad | ALLU AKBAR | 03:24 |
| willPow3r_ | i've read somewhere that the people who live in tennessee shoot more rounds into the air than all of the people in the middle east combined | 03:26 |
| jihaaaad | I'd wager that's incorrect | 03:27 |
| jihaaaad | Islamic governments pretty routinely issue fatwas against it | 03:27 |
| jihaaaad | which, of course, nobody listens to | 03:27 |
| jihaaaad | Celebratory gunfire is a pretty well-established tradition | 03:27 |
| fenn | hmm so you connected alligator clips to HV and it sparked and you are surprised? | 03:28 |
| jonathan_ | what? | 03:35 |
| jonathan_ | dc supplies are grounded. | 03:35 |
| jonathan_ | even tho it is unpowered. | 03:35 |
| jonathan_ | circuit still exists. | 03:35 |
| bkero | DC supplies are a voltage potential to a ground(sometimes earth) | 03:35 |
| jonathan_ | not lab supplies | 03:36 |
| jonathan_ | ground is ground | 03:36 |
| jonathan_ | not "a ground". it is THE ground. | 03:36 |
| bkero | DC supplies positive terminal is a positive voltage potential above a negative. | 03:36 |
| bkero | You can have a positive terminal of +5v, and a negative of +2v, and you would have a nominal +3v | 03:37 |
| bkero | (your output would be a nominal +3v). That's what's referred to as a floating ground IIRC | 03:37 |
| jonathan_ | usually not on a lab supply.... | 03:39 |
| jonathan_ | lab supply black plug is usually connected to earth internally | 03:39 |
| kanzure | Heh. So last minute studiers are emailing the vocab class. "But it would be GREAT if anyone could tell me if we are supposed to only know the words of the musculoskeltal system and the other systems, or are we supposed to know where they go on a body? " | 03:39 |
| jonathan_ | to float it, you need to use TWO supplies ganged together | 03:39 |
| kanzure | That particular student needs to go back to studying der musculoskel-tal system. | 03:40 |
| jihaaaad | bkero: this particular one was not plugged in | 03:47 |
| fenn | vocab class? arent you an engineering student? | 03:48 |
| jihaaaad | BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING YOU FUCKING FAG | 03:48 |
| kanzure | required social/humanities credit, so I opted for "medical and scientific terminology" instead of "classics of civilization" and so on | 03:49 |
| fenn | good morning to you too | 03:49 |
| jihaaaad | NO LONGER IS SCIENCE RELEGATED TO EXAMINING YOUR MOM'S COLD, UNFEELING VAGINA | 03:49 |
| jihaaaad | Morning, fenn :D | 03:49 |
| -!- jihaaaad is now known as Star_and_Sun | 05:02 | |
| -!- Star_and_Sun is now known as jihaaaaaaad | 05:04 | |
| jonathan_ | does anyone here study dna in detail | 06:46 |
| jihaaaaaaad | jonathan_: Pretty much everyone in here does | 07:10 |
| jihaaaaaaad | kanzure is our resident geneticist, though | 07:10 |
| jihaaaaaaad | you're apparently our resident FAGGOT | 07:11 |
| jonathan_ | why is dna sequencing so difficult? | 07:11 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Because you're building molecule by molecule. | 07:11 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Genetic sequencing machines are the first real nanotechnology. | 07:11 |
| jonathan_ | nono i mean measuring dna, not creating dna | 07:11 |
| jihaaaaaaad | because it's more or less picking them apart base pair by base pair | 07:11 |
| jihaaaaaaad | It's serial, not parallel | 07:12 |
| jihaaaaaaad | which means it's SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW | 07:12 |
| -!- chizu_ is now known as chizu | 07:14 | |
| jihaaaaaaad | so | 07:14 |
| jihaaaaaaad | that's why | 07:14 |
| jihaaaaaaad | ... | 07:14 |
| jihaaaaaaad | fag | 07:14 |
| jonathan_ | not sure I get it | 07:16 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Basically | 07:16 |
| jihaaaaaaad | You need to pick apart each molecule, right? | 07:17 |
| jihaaaaaaad | And then determine what it is | 07:17 |
| jihaaaaaaad | i imagine they do that with some sort of mass spec | 07:17 |
| jonathan_ | I am thinking of the gels | 07:17 |
| jonathan_ | they work on different principles | 07:18 |
| jihaaaaaaad | oh | 07:18 |
| jihaaaaaaad | well | 07:18 |
| jihaaaaaaad | fuck you | 07:18 |
| fenn | gels isnt exactly "in detail" | 07:20 |
| jihaaaaaaad | yeah, FAG | 07:21 |
| jihaaaaaaad | listen to fenn | 07:21 |
| fenn | sequencing isn't difficult, but most new methods are proprietary (patented) and so people dont have access to them | 07:22 |
| fenn | or something like that | 07:22 |
| jihaaaaaaad | YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT SHIT | 07:22 |
| jihaaaaaaad | SO | 07:22 |
| UtopiahGHML | fuck patents. | 07:22 |
| jihaaaaaaad | FUCKIN THERE | 07:22 |
| fenn | i also dont have a chip fab or lasers etc etc | 07:23 |
| jihaaaaaaad | UtopiahGHML: I've always thought that I'd build patented machines and just not sell them | 07:23 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Use them for my own work. | 07:23 |
| fenn | technically you arent allowed to do even that | 07:23 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Wait | 07:23 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Who cares about allowed? | 07:23 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Remember, I'm an adamant black hat? | 07:23 |
| fenn | only for "purposes of education" | 07:23 |
| fenn | why not sell them too? | 07:23 |
| jihaaaaaaad | I really don't much care about intellectual property law | 07:23 |
| jihaaaaaaad | because | 07:23 |
| jihaaaaaaad | that's a great way to go to prison forever | 07:24 |
| UtopiahGHML | jihaaaaaaad: corporations are already doing that but don't even take the time to build and use, they do creativity meeting just to patent potential useful things , it's like pre-emptive strike... | 07:24 |
| jihaaaaaaad | UtopiahGHML: Then they file their patents, then you download the patents and build the machine on your own | 07:25 |
| jihaaaaaaad | if you dare | 07:25 |
| jihaaaaaaad | and | 07:25 |
| jihaaaaaaad | since you're such a nigger | 07:25 |
| jihaaaaaaad | you mightn't | 07:25 |
| jihaaaaaaad | God, I hate black people | 07:25 |
| jonathan_ | wait | 07:25 |
| jonathan_ | if these new methods are patented | 07:26 |
| jonathan_ | then they are public | 07:26 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Yes. | 07:26 |
| jonathan_ | so what is an example | 07:26 |
| fenn | something along those lines. having a patent doesnt necessarily mean they explain how to build the machine in the patent | 07:26 |
| jihaaaaaaad | One thing that bugs me about this channel is our completely pussy stance on blatantly illegal activities | 07:26 |
| jihaaaaaaad | May I remind you all that you're bioHACKERS? | 07:26 |
| UtopiahGHML | they have to explain the innovation though but basicallt they use methods like Triz I think | 07:26 |
| fenn | jihaaaaaaad: where did you get the idea we condemn illegal activities? | 07:27 |
| jihaaaaaaad | I don't give a fuck what the White Hat Cocksucking Machine says, hackers do bad, illegal things and I'm goddamn proud of it | 07:27 |
| jihaaaaaaad | fenn: you guys didn't even curse till kanzure invited me | 07:27 |
| jihaaaaaaad | I just made it feel so good to be so bad | 07:27 |
| fenn | so? | 07:27 |
| jihaaaaaaad | anyway | 07:27 |
| UtopiahGHML | Joel's friend the 22/08/08 | 07:27 |
| jihaaaaaaad | as bioHACKERS, you should do bad, illegal things | 07:27 |
| UtopiahGHML | * InnovationLabs * by Nathan Myrvochld (from Microsoft) writer of the NewYoekerMag * idea of patents fiesta where people are gathered to patent the result of their brainstorming | 07:27 |
| jihaaaaaaad | but | 07:27 |
| jihaaaaaaad | uh | 07:27 |
| wrldpc2 | uh | 07:28 |
| jihaaaaaaad | try to not kill us all | 07:28 |
| UtopiahGHML | (didn't explore that but a friend explained me that few months ago) | 07:28 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Write a benign virus that inserts shout-outs into people's DNA! | 07:28 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Tint animals pink! | 07:28 |
| UtopiahGHML | "hackers do bad, illegal things" ... | 07:28 |
| jonathan_ | - they use methods like Triz I think | 07:28 |
| wrldpc2 | ... | 07:28 |
| jonathan_ | what's that | 07:28 |
| jihaaaaaaad | UtopiahGHML: Don't listen to the whitewashed bullshit. | 07:28 |
| jihaaaaaaad | people say oh we're just little security elves tee hee | 07:29 |
| jihaaaaaaad | no | 07:29 |
| jihaaaaaaad | fuck those guys | 07:29 |
| jihaaaaaaad | never even seen x86 ISA | 07:29 |
| wrldpc2 | Jihad can you hijack satellite transmissions? | 07:29 |
| UtopiahGHML | jonathan_: innovation method, basically you have a matrice of processes and of technical solution and you see what could work, you end up generation solutions you never thought about before thus potentially innoavting | 07:29 |
| jihaaaaaaad | Hijack, no. Intercept, read, and MAYBE POSSIBLY send packets to LOCALLY, yeah | 07:30 |
| jihaaaaaaad | I'd need fairly expensive equipment though. | 07:30 |
| jihaaaaaaad | why? | 07:30 |
| wrldpc2 | does anyone have the link to the young mice aging after the brain injections from old mice that bryan posted earlier? | 07:30 |
| fenn | bleah this website sucks. anyway jonathan_ watch the demo: http://www.pacificbiosciences.com/ | 07:30 |
| wrldpc2 | <--- aging is a disease | 07:30 |
| jihaaaaaaad | who's bryan | 07:30 |
| jihaaaaaaad | i only know a kanzure | 07:30 |
| jihaaaaaaad | THIS IS THE INTERNET | 07:30 |
| jihaaaaaaad | YOU HAVE NO NAME | 07:30 |
| wrldpc2 | he runs the chan. | 07:31 |
| wrldpc2 | ... | 07:31 |
| jihaaaaaaad | I know. | 07:31 |
| wrldpc2 | no i don't think you do. | 07:31 |
| jihaaaaaaad | yes | 07:31 |
| jihaaaaaaad | i do | 07:31 |
| wrldpc2 | no actually. | 07:31 |
| wrldpc2 | you don't. | 07:31 |
| jihaaaaaaad | yeah, I do | 07:31 |
| fenn | no really! | 07:31 |
| jihaaaaaaad | i'm percent | 07:31 |
| jihaaaaaaad | remember? | 07:31 |
| wrldpc2 | no, REALLY. | 07:31 |
| fenn | 100% | 07:31 |
| -!- jihaaaaaaad is now known as percent_ | 07:31 | |
| wrldpc2 | oh | 07:31 |
| percent_ | remember that douche? | 07:31 |
| percent_ | i'm that guy | 07:31 |
| wrldpc2 | fuck you | 07:31 |
| percent_ | fuck you, FAG | 07:31 |
| wrldpc2 | heh | 07:31 |
| * fenn starts whistling "battle of the trolls" | 07:32 | |
| wrldpc2 | you're wylin | 07:32 |
| wrldpc2 | are you on meth right now? | 07:32 |
| wrldpc2 | amphetamines? | 07:32 |
| percent_ | are you asking me to SHIT all over your CHEST, wrldpc2 | 07:32 |
| wrldpc2 | caffeine? | 07:32 |
| percent_ | Hell, when am I not on meth? | 07:32 |
| -!- percent_ is now known as jihaaad | 07:32 | |
| wrldpc2 | ... | 07:32 |
| jihaaad | The scary part is, I'm entirely sober. | 07:32 |
| wrldpc2 | What's your concentration? | 07:32 |
| jonathan_ | phospholinked nucleotides | 07:32 |
| jihaaad | My density is about the same as that of water | 07:33 |
| wrldpc2 | ... | 07:33 |
| jihaaad | oh | 07:33 |
| jihaaad | you want to know what i do | 07:33 |
| jihaaad | I am made of nanoscience, I eat, sleep, and breathe CVD, specifically, PE-CVD | 07:33 |
| fenn | what's PE? | 07:33 |
| jihaaad | plasma ENHANCED | 07:33 |
| jihaaad | for natural enhancement of your nanotubes | 07:34 |
| wrldpc2 | I went to this Jim Collins lecture today | 07:34 |
| jonathan_ | read through a 70nm tube | 07:34 |
| UtopiahGHML | hey what do you think of Susan's Blackmore idea about Temes (after Genes and Memes), she presented it during TED (video here http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/susan_blackmore_on_memes_and_temes.html ) | 07:34 |
| jihaaad | 70nm wide...? | 07:34 |
| jihaaad | That's wider than an SNOM probe | 07:34 |
| jihaaad | not ace | 07:34 |
| jihaaad | gayce | 07:34 |
| wrldpc2 | So you do meth. | 07:34 |
| jihaaad | or 70nm long? then it'd be only a few nm wide | 07:35 |
| jihaaad | to maintain a 40:1 aspect ratio typical of most tubes | 07:35 |
| jihaaad | wrldpc2: at least i'm not gay | 07:36 |
| jihaaad | like you | 07:36 |
| jihaaad | what are you good at | 07:36 |
| jihaaad | huh? | 07:36 |
| jihaaad | are you published? | 07:36 |
| jihaaad | DO YOU FUCKIN DO CANCER RESEARCH I THINK NOT | 07:36 |
| wrldpc2 | I'm heterosexual. | 07:36 |
| fenn | cancer research.. | 07:36 |
| jihaaad | wrldpc2: No, you're gay. | 07:36 |
| wrldpc2 | No I'm not. | 07:37 |
| jihaaad | Tomorrow, you can be straight if I declare someone else gay. | 07:37 |
| wrldpc2 | LOLwtf | 07:37 |
| jihaaad | Sorry, that's how it is here. | 07:37 |
| wrldpc2 | I don't live in your head, man! I actually exist! | 07:37 |
| jihaaad | I dare you to prove that. | 07:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | so, anobody? maybe you've read Richard Dawkins The Selfish Gene, it's on the same line of thoughts | 07:37 |
| wrldpc2 | LOL call me 617 335 6457 | 07:37 |
| jihaaad | A lofty statement from someone I'm making up! | 07:37 |
| wrldpc2 | HAH! | 07:37 |
| wrldpc2 | I'm not a Dawkins fan. | 07:37 |
| jihaaad | How do I know I won't just convince myself I'm talking to someone on the phone? | 07:37 |
| wrldpc2 | He's cool ... | 07:38 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: watching it | 07:38 |
| wrldpc2 | enough. | 07:38 |
| jihaaad | plus | 07:38 |
| jihaaad | you just dropped your docs up in hurr | 07:38 |
| jihaaad | not smart | 07:38 |
| wrldpc2 | .. | 07:38 |
| jonathan_ | 70nm waveguide made of glass. measurement uses 20E-21 L volumes | 07:38 |
| wrldpc2 | wtf r u going to do? | 07:38 |
| jonathan_ | that's small | 07:38 |
| wrldpc2 | I'll send you a vial of blood. | 07:38 |
| jihaaad | Uh, potentially? | 07:38 |
| UtopiahGHML | wrldpc2: well Im taking about the idea of self-rep, genes, etc... not he's anti-religion nearly fanatic side (even if I kind of agree with him) | 07:38 |
| wrldpc2 | UH POTENTIALLY | 07:38 |
| jihaaad | Completely fuck your life up. | 07:38 |
| jihaaad | Either way | 07:39 |
| wrldpc2 | MY name is Benjamin Peterson | 07:39 |
| jihaaad | There's no way you can prove you exist. | 07:39 |
| wrldpc2 | I live at 49 Thomas St. Belmont MA 02478 | 07:39 |
| wrldpc2 | My SSN is 018 70 2725 | 07:39 |
| wrldpc2 | I was born 3/22/1981 | 07:39 |
| wrldpc2 | You fucking pussy. | 07:39 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: ok :) | 07:39 |
| jihaaad | Pussy? | 07:39 |
| jihaaad | Oh no | 07:39 |
| wrldpc2 | Call me coward. | 07:39 |
| jihaaad | you did NOT just go internet tough guy on me | 07:39 |
| wrldpc2 | oh yes | 07:39 |
| wrldpc2 | oh i went there | 07:39 |
| wrldpc2 | i'm there | 07:39 |
| jonathan_ | what kind of photo detector can detect a single phosporic event like that? | 07:39 |
| wrldpc2 | heh | 07:40 |
| wrldpc2 | STOP | 07:40 |
| jihaaad | No :D | 07:40 |
| UtopiahGHML | jonathan_: could you hijack a plant? I mean is the technology small enough to shortcircuit plants natural functions like... their detectors let's imagine? (candid question but Im curious) | 07:40 |
| wrldpc2 | >:( | 07:40 |
| wrldpc2 | biotch | 07:41 |
| jihaaad | or what | 07:41 |
| jihaaad | you do realize i'm a huge black guy, right? | 07:41 |
| wrldpc2 | i don't give a fuck | 07:41 |
| jihaaad | SO WHAT, WHITEY | 07:41 |
| jonathan_ | and obama will win the white house. whatever | 07:41 |
| UtopiahGHML | you guys should do sports, really it helps to clear the mind unlike online faked violence aka trolling. | 07:42 |
| jihaaad | Is your cell phone STILL working? | 07:42 |
| wrldpc2 | Congratulations, percent. | 07:42 |
| jihaaad | UtopiahGHML: I meditate. | 07:42 |
| wrldpc2 | now send a message to everyone. | 07:42 |
| jihaaad | And do sports, but I recently started meditating. | 07:42 |
| wrldpc2 | in the world. | 07:42 |
| wrldpc2 | with a cell phone. | 07:43 |
| jihaaad | wrldpc2: I fail to see the relevance | 07:43 |
| wrldpc2 | the relevance!? You just message bombed my cell phone! | 07:43 |
| jihaaad | Clearly, such a message would only reach those with methods of modern information conveyance | 07:43 |
| wrldpc2 | He's doing it again. | 07:43 |
| jihaaad | I did no such thing | 07:43 |
| jihaaad | I am not | 07:43 |
| jihaaad | what are you talking about | 07:43 |
| wrldpc2 | I'm turning you in to the authorities if you do that to me again. | 07:44 |
| jihaaad | oh god | 07:44 |
| jihaaad | please | 07:44 |
| jihaaad | don't | 07:44 |
| wrldpc2 | They'll cancel your AIM. | 07:44 |
| jihaaad | CANCEL MY AIM!?!!?!? | 07:44 |
| jihaaad | OH | 07:44 |
| jihaaad | GOD NO | 07:44 |
| jihaaad | NO | 07:44 |
| jonathan_ | i'm not sure I get the detection part. | 07:44 |
| jihaaad | NOT MY AIM | 07:44 |
| jihaaad | MY AIM?!?!?!?! | 07:44 |
| jihaaad | GUYS | 07:44 |
| wrldpc2 | You don't care about your AIM? | 07:45 |
| jihaaad | HE'S GONNA GET THE AUTHORITIES TO CANCEL MY AIM | 07:45 |
| jihaaad | fuck no, douchebag | 07:45 |
| jihaaad | AIM accounts take three seconds to create and i never use them for more than a week or so | 07:45 |
| wrldpc2 | So you wouldn't care if you never had it again? | 07:45 |
| jihaaad | No, dipshit. I don't cling to an identity. | 07:45 |
| wrldpc2 | I don't think you're understanding me. | 07:46 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: i love the wardenclyffe brain towers :) | 07:46 |
| jihaaad | Oh, I do. | 07:46 |
| jihaaad | I think you think I care about an AIM account | 07:46 |
| wrldpc2 | You wouldn't care if you could never use AIM again forever? | 07:46 |
| jihaaad | hahaha | 07:46 |
| jihaaad | guys | 07:46 |
| jihaaad | did you hear that one | 07:46 |
| jihaaad | wrldpc2: When I want on AIM, I'll get on AIM. | 07:46 |
| wrldpc2 | It's an honest question. | 07:46 |
| jihaaad | That's what god invented proxies for. | 07:46 |
| wrldpc2 | I don't think you should be so brash. | 07:47 |
| wrldpc2 | You're acting irrationally. | 07:47 |
| UtopiahGHML | jonathan_: well a plant is bunch of functions that in the end make it sustain for a certain time. What if you could connect to the information paths (whatever the resulting form would be, probably fluids) of the plant to use them? | 07:47 |
| jihaaad | Well, at least you're not making dumb threats anyore | 07:47 |
| jihaaad | wrldpc2: No, I'm acting arrogantly. | 07:47 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: yep it's a great visual | 07:47 |
| jihaaad | Everyone else in here can tolerate the fact that I'm an asshat. | 07:47 |
| jonathan_ | i dont think so..... this is very small | 07:47 |
| wrldpc2 | Arrogantly too, yes. | 07:47 |
| jihaaad | I pull my ow weight and I know my shit. | 07:47 |
| jihaaad | *Own. | 07:47 |
| jihaaad | Beyond that, what else matters? | 07:48 |
| UtopiahGHML | jonathan_: ok so as I said before the bottleneck is miniaturization? | 07:48 |
| jihaaad | UtopiahGHML: Welcome to 1967 | 07:49 |
| jihaaad | Feynman more or less said that | 07:49 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: cats have language but not big brains, so uh.. yeah | 07:49 |
| jihaaad | may he rest in peace | 07:49 |
| jonathan_ | this article explains it a little bit http://www.in-sequence.com/issues/2_7/webreprints/145257-1.html | 07:49 |
| UtopiahGHML | jihaaad: well I know nothing about biology so arriving in 1967 is already a great achievement for me :D | 07:50 |
| jonathan_ | - However, some attenuated light forms an evanescent field just inside the well near its bottom, creating a tiny illuminated detection volume of 20 zeptoliters, small enough to observe a single molecule of DNA polymerase holding on to a nucleotide, but no surrounding fluorescent molecules. | 07:50 |
| jihaaad | Ha, I was talking about "There's Plenty Of Room At the Bottom" | 07:50 |
| jonathan_ | So that's what zL is | 07:50 |
| jihaaad | Feynman's paper. THE paper. | 07:50 |
| jonathan_ | I read some article that said 10 uL - zL | 07:50 |
| jihaaad | you just say | 07:50 |
| jihaaad | feynman's paper | 07:50 |
| jihaaad | and | 07:50 |
| jonathan_ | I never heard of zL before | 07:50 |
| jihaaad | you fuckin know whats u | 07:50 |
| jihaaad | p | 07:50 |
| jihaaad | you know | 07:51 |
| jihaaad | that cat be talkin about that other car | 07:51 |
| jihaaad | *cat | 07:51 |
| jihaaad | feynman | 07:51 |
| jihaaad | you see feynman's name | 07:52 |
| jihaaad | and your like | 07:52 |
| jihaaad | nano-SCIEEEENCEEEEE | 07:52 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: so what do you think about the video? | 07:52 |
| fenn | um. british accent | 07:52 |
| fenn | blue hair | 07:52 |
| fenn | i havent really digested it yet | 07:53 |
| UtopiahGHML | I do enjoy the british accent, it makes it so... classy/passe :P | 07:53 |
| fenn | other species imitate but dont have this "meme infestation" | 07:53 |
| fenn | or so she says | 07:53 |
| jihaaad | I hate the idea of a "British Accent" | 07:54 |
| jihaaad | I get mistaken for having one of these phantom things all the time because of my speaking cadence and choice of words | 07:54 |
| jihaaad | A lot of people think well-spoken = British | 07:54 |
| fenn | "temes" == another lame word | 07:54 |
| jihaaad | And they don't differentiate between South London, Cockney, and the most beautiful form of English, Received Pronunciation | 07:55 |
| jihaaad | so | 07:55 |
| jihaaad | fuckin douchebags | 07:55 |
| jonathan_ | a single-photon-sensitive CCD array, a monochrome detector. | 07:56 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: yep but the concept, self-rep and the battle over resources whatever the living substrate of the "organism", what do you think of it? | 07:56 |
| jonathan_ | ah | 07:56 |
| jonathan_ | I dont think they have single-photon CCDs at frys | 07:56 |
| jihaaad | jonathan_: I've seen them done before | 07:58 |
| jihaaad | You just need a hardcore attenuated laser | 07:58 |
| jonathan_ | damn | 07:58 |
| jihaaad | and any old CCD should work | 07:58 |
| jonathan_ | i keep hitting the "clear window" button in this client | 07:58 |
| jihaaad | asshole | 07:58 |
| jonathan_ | why on earth wouold the developers put that button there | 07:59 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: bleh more pop science ready for being misconstrued by ignorant fucks | 07:59 |
| jihaaad | What client? | 08:00 |
| jonathan_ | colloquy | 08:00 |
| jonathan_ | os/x | 08:00 |
| jonathan_ | ok i fixed it | 08:00 |
| jonathan_ | anyway | 08:00 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: ok, what's the incoherence in this theory? | 08:00 |
| jonathan_ | I wonder if this fluorescent label method could be used in water-oil emulsion dna membranes | 08:01 |
| jihaaad | colloquy sucks | 08:01 |
| jihaaad | I use it | 08:01 |
| fenn | "will corporations kill us all?" | 08:01 |
| jonathan_ | all this nano zL stuff is hard to do | 08:01 |
| jihaaad | but i may just migrate | 08:01 |
| jonathan_ | if each water-oil emulsion droplet contained ONE dna | 08:02 |
| jonathan_ | similar to their nanopore guides | 08:03 |
| jonathan_ | - The price of the instrument will likely be in the range of that of 454's Genome Sequencer, Illumina's Genome Analyzer, or ABI's SOLiD system, which currently sell for between $400,000 and $600,000. | 08:03 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: 1 problem is she totally ignores human biases such as tribalism, self-preservation, self-aggrandizement, etc | 08:03 |
| jonathan_ | that's pricey | 08:03 |
| jonathan_ | I want one for like $250 US | 08:04 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: and then she just sort of skips to temes embodied in robots or something.. (no squishy warm bodies) | 08:04 |
| UtopiahGHML | well if they have a competitive advantage, despite all the human biased strategy, what difference does it make? | 08:05 |
| jonathan_ | anyway dna sequencing seems like, the problems are, 1) separating one single molecule to measure it; 2) getting it to do something to measure it; 3) measuring it | 08:05 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: a huge difference, this is why we have political debates about morality and fairness | 08:06 |
| UtopiahGHML | as in political debates having an impact on anything?! | 08:08 |
| fenn | ok so we're losing that battle.. | 08:08 |
| jihaaad | night | 08:08 |
| UtopiahGHML | well I don't know how accurate/realistic her idea/theory is, I just find it interesting as it sounds coherent to me | 08:09 |
| UtopiahGHML | http://www.metaefficient.com/transportation/300mpg-aptera-car.html it looks like spermatozoide, mimetic everything :-# | 08:14 |
| fenn | aptera is sweet | 08:16 |
| fenn | it's anti-memetic, form actually derived from function for once | 08:17 |
| jonathan_ | looks liek the wheels will fall off | 08:17 |
| jonathan_ | each front wheel is a motor right? | 08:18 |
| fenn | i'd rather the wheel fall off than crack my skull open | 08:18 |
| fenn | crash energy is absorbed when "the wheel falls off" | 08:18 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: I said mimetic as in bio mimicry as in inspiring yourself from thousands of years of natural evolution regarding optimization (thus yes form following the function as the sperm like the car should be efficient to travel in a certain space) | 08:19 |
| fenn | it doesnt look anything like a sperm | 08:21 |
| fenn | jonathan_: rear wheel has electric motor, also a gasoline generator | 08:21 |
| fenn | series plug-in-hybrid | 08:22 |
| fenn | (i think they should have done diesel, but meh) | 08:22 |
| jonathan_ | i'd rather have electric speedbike | 08:22 |
| fenn | i'd rather have a fusion powered rocket | 08:22 |
| jonathan_ | how much does it weigh | 08:22 |
| jonathan_ | all that extra body weight | 08:23 |
| UtopiahGHML | jonathan_: http://ampedbikes.com/ | 08:23 |
| fenn | 1480lb | 08:23 |
| jonathan_ | like a big battery case with wheels attached and seats on top is all | 08:23 |
| fenn | are you trying to say 1480lb is heavy? | 08:23 |
| jonathan_ | yes | 08:24 |
| fenn | ok | 08:24 |
| jonathan_ | without batteries right? | 08:24 |
| fenn | uh, i think that's with batts | 08:24 |
| jonathan_ | heat pump for a/c? wonder how well that works in florida | 08:24 |
| jonathan_ | faq - Since the Aptera is classified as a motorcycle, do you have to wear a helmet or get an endorsement on my license? | 08:26 |
| jonathan_ | so technically its a motorcycle eh | 08:26 |
| fenn | varies by state | 08:26 |
| fenn | because it has three wheels | 08:26 |
| fenn | apparently Pi is 3 and tomatoes are vegetables too | 08:26 |
| fenn | so, technically it's not a motorcycle, but legally it is | 08:27 |
| jonathan_ | which is more dangerous to the environment. burning gasoline or dumping dead batteries into landfills | 08:28 |
| fenn | depends what kind of batteries and what kind of landfills | 08:30 |
| fenn | carbon manganese batts are basically dirt | 08:31 |
| jonathan_ | need some diy bacteria to eat the lithium ones i guess | 08:32 |
| fenn | also, cars are generally not put into landfills since it's profitable to recycle them | 08:32 |
| fenn | lithium = sea salt | 08:32 |
| fenn | supposedly nickel batteries are environmentally friendly but i dont really see why | 08:33 |
| fenn | cadmium is horrible awful stuff, worse than lead | 08:33 |
| jonathan_ | lithium = explosive. from what i remember of chem class | 08:36 |
| fenn | yep | 08:37 |
| fenn | Nickel has been demonstrated to be an essential nutrient for some mammalian species, and it has been suggested that it may also be essential for human nutrition. | 08:38 |
| fenn | huh. | 08:38 |
| jonathan_ | nickels only cost 0.05 so cheaper than a big mac | 08:40 |
| jonathan_ | marinate first for better flavor | 08:40 |
| fenn | what's surprising is that aptera seems to be committed to the < $30k price tag | 08:42 |
| fenn | oops, i guess it was originally $20k | 08:44 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: you talked about form following the function, do you have any idea of lib/API that would do that for software, as in using GraphViz on data that would automatically choose the representation based on meta-data | 09:08 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: yes i am building it (supposedly) | 09:18 |
| fenn | SKDB + GA | 09:19 |
| UtopiahGHML | can I query it online? | 09:19 |
| UtopiahGHML | sending a data to display + meta-data and have a graph without enterting directly any visual information (like a shape or a color) | 09:23 |
| fenn | no you may not! | 09:23 |
| fenn | oh wait, you mean designing software UI? | 09:24 |
| fenn | that's lame | 09:24 |
| UtopiahGHML | was thinking content and later UI | 09:25 |
| fenn | i guess you could play around with libglade, shuffle the xml around | 09:25 |
| UtopiahGHML | (since it could be derived form the content) | 09:25 |
| fenn | but most UI problems derive from bad code | 09:26 |
| fenn | i dont know what you mean by content | 09:26 |
| UtopiahGHML | let's imagine a graph with meta-data saying each node is a person | 09:28 |
| UtopiahGHML | so it would use Graphviz to build the visual but thanks to meta-data either draw a little guy or fetch a person picture let's imagine | 09:29 |
| fenn | ok i'm sure such things exist | 09:29 |
| UtopiahGHML | cool | 09:30 |
| fenn | if my name memory were up to par i could point you to one | 09:30 |
| fenn | or you could dig around in here: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=social%20network%20visualization&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi | 09:30 |
| fenn | i guess i have no idea what you're getting at | 09:32 |
| UtopiahGHML | or http://www.cs.unm.edu/~vail/ or http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/ | 09:32 |
| UtopiahGHML | ok you have GraphViz right? | 09:32 |
| fenn | sure | 09:32 |
| UtopiahGHML | so when you want to build a visual representation you send data to GraphViz right? | 09:33 |
| fenn | yes, in the form of a dot file | 09:33 |
| UtopiahGHML | now you usually add other information to say that value under X should be red or that node should be circle, right? | 09:34 |
| fenn | yes and i think you can even do pictures *wow* | 09:34 |
| UtopiahGHML | incredible | 09:34 |
| fenn | mind blowing | 09:34 |
| fenn | somebody call the internet police | 09:34 |
| UtopiahGHML | now, what about NOT adding GraphViz that it sould be red but instead "bad"? | 09:35 |
| UtopiahGHML | s/adding/telling/ | 09:35 |
| fenn | "bad"? | 09:35 |
| fenn | (one of the most ambiguous words in english) | 09:35 |
| fenn | subjective i should say | 09:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | any word that would have a meaning instead of only a visual represention from which you derive a meaning | 09:36 |
| fenn | ok, some semantic content | 09:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | yes, thus meta-data | 09:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | thus you provide data (network) + meta-data (semantic description) | 09:37 |
| fenn | metadata just means data about data | 09:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | and GraphViz give you the graph | 09:37 |
| fenn | if the semantic content _is_ the data, it's not metadata | 09:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | well what's a semantic description of content if not data about data? | 09:37 |
| fenn | anyway, words | 09:38 |
| fenn | so, what does this have to do with form following function? | 09:38 |
| UtopiahGHML | you describe the function and the forms get drawn | 09:40 |
| fenn | these guys have some neat stuff (one of the graphs on visualcomplexity): http://graphics.uni-konstanz.de/publikationen/ | 09:40 |
| fenn | i especially like the non-photorealistic rendering | 09:41 |
| UtopiahGHML | damn it, why guys in the valley think PDT is the universal time... wtf | 09:46 |
| fenn | mm.. universal time is a tough concept | 09:47 |
| UtopiahGHML | http://www.dipity.com/utopiah/personal/embed_tl? | 09:47 |
| fenn | consider that you may be composed of atoms from different stars, and different histories of time distortion | 09:47 |
| UtopiahGHML | "anyway, words" | 09:47 |
| fenn | er, time dilation | 09:47 |
| fenn | it's not such a problem on earth yet | 09:48 |
| fenn | you know you can probably change your timezone | 09:49 |
| UtopiahGHML | I did but the source file doesn't have an explicit timezone so by default it uses PDT | 09:49 |
| fenn | i'm actually surprised this works with my browser at all: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/utopiah-dipity.png | 09:51 |
| UtopiahGHML | looks... dark but yep, it works, nice | 09:52 |
| UtopiahGHML | (thank you for the screenshot btw) | 09:53 |
| UtopiahGHML | it's based on the RSS feed of my wiki | 09:54 |
| UtopiahGHML | Im looking for visualization so that contributer can see visual timeline of their projects | 09:54 |
| UtopiahGHML | ideally I would call Dipity API to add rendering of the wiki pages and this have a visual evolution over time | 09:56 |
| fenn | this is cool (page rank for images): http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/project_details.cfm?id=596&index=596&domain= | 09:56 |
| fenn | the graph edges are totally useless though | 09:57 |
| UtopiahGHML | makes it more trendy networky | 09:57 |
| UtopiahGHML | but VC is overall a very interesting site | 09:57 |
| UtopiahGHML | btw since you like semantic over meta-data, heard any recommandation/paper on having user-friendly semantic-wiki? guidelines to stay end-user oriented but still be able to "harness the mighty power of the semantic web 3.0 buzzword buzzword"? | 09:59 |
| fenn | nope | 10:01 |
| fenn | and i dont think semantic classification will ever be "end user friendly" | 10:01 |
| fenn | first you have to learn the syntax, then you have to learn the ontology | 10:02 |
| UtopiahGHML | yep Im afraid but basically I want a semantic wiki that I could "query" based on data that my friend could simple "click-edit" | 10:02 |
| fenn | it's not like tagging where you just get a big blob of folksonomy | 10:03 |
| fenn | the idea is to be able to run it through (relatively) brittle code | 10:03 |
| UtopiahGHML | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/janine_benyus_shares_nature_s_designs.html | 11:48 |
| kanzure | http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2008_10_17/caredit.a0800151 | 11:53 |
| kanzure | No mention of us. | 11:53 |
| kanzure | Article on synthetic biology opportunities. Huge list. | 11:54 |
| kanzure | Completely ignores us. | 11:54 |
| kanzure | http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=152531 "yeah, but your mew has to be a super saiyan to get it." good times. | 12:02 |
| faceface | can I change the edge thickness in graphviz? | 12:15 |
| kanzure | ho ho ho .. presentation cancelled ... yay putting off studying for the midterm in place of doing the presentation .. | 12:35 |
| * UtopiahGHML is looking for a FOSS equivalent of iThink/Stella (modelling+simu) | 14:40 | |
| bkero | shake | 14:41 |
| UtopiahGHML | ? | 14:42 |
| UtopiahGHML | (maybe OpenModellica even if it seems more meca oriented) | 14:46 |
| bkero | http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v362/184/115/739175217/n739175217_1899608_601.jpg manpurse | 15:09 |
| jonathan_ | so I just read about the history of the discovery of PCR. | 15:20 |
| jonathan_ | it's a bit whacky | 15:20 |
| bkero | This piece of DNA just keeps replicating!!! | 15:20 |
| bkero | What do we do? | 15:20 |
| jonathan_ | seemingly, 1) it is thought of as an obvious idea (it is rather obvious)... 2) no one thought of it before mullis; 3) mullis is seemingly not so reputable of a scientist | 15:22 |
| jonathan_ | ? | 15:22 |
| jonathan_ | bio is so strange | 15:23 |
| kanzure_1_ | What is reputability? | 16:04 |
| UtopiahGHML | popularity/social validation | 16:05 |
| bkero | Ethos | 16:05 |
| UtopiahGHML | same root as reputation sa guess | 16:05 |
| xp_prg | kanzure you here man? | 18:24 |
| xp_prg | is anyone here? | 18:33 |
| procto | does anyone know IRC channels with marine engineers in them? | 18:36 |
| xp_prg | procto hey man! | 18:37 |
| procto | howdy | 18:37 |
| xp_prg | procto quick question, what other cells beside e-coli are used for synthetic biology? | 18:37 |
| procto | I think yeast is used sometimes, too | 18:38 |
| procto | but most it's e.coli | 18:38 |
| procto | it's all about making cells competent | 18:38 |
| procto | http://www.invitrogen.com/site/us/en/home/Products-and-Services/Applications/Cloning/Transformation/Chemically-Competent.html | 18:39 |
| procto | there's a list of cells that invitrogen cells | 18:39 |
| procto | all of those are ecoli afaict | 18:39 |
| procto | yeah, all e.coli | 18:40 |
| procto | but yeah, I've seen yeast used, too | 18:40 |
| xp_prg | ok thanks! | 18:40 |
| wrldpc2 | collins talked a lot about e. coli last night at BU. | 18:40 |
| wrldpc2 | procto how was the last diybio boston meeting? i couldn't go, cold. | 18:41 |
| procto | I couldn't go either | 18:42 |
| procto | it also sounded like more of a lecture meeting than a participatory one | 18:42 |
| procto | so I didn't feel too bad about it :> | 18:42 |
| UtopiahGHML | what do "marine engineers" do? | 19:20 |
| wrldpc2 | kanzure do you have hte link to the brain injection mouse study on instantiated aging? | 19:42 |
| kanzure_1_ | wrldpc2: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ check the file with the word 'artificial' in the name. | 19:58 |
| procto | UtopiahGHML: build marine structures. a naval architect would also suffice. | 19:59 |
| procto | they're roughly the same thing, except that as with buildings, the latter specializes in designing overall plans, while the latter specializes in figuring out how to implement those plans. | 19:59 |
| kanzure_1_ | xp_prg: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ check the file about 'ecoli' (in the file name) - it talks about alternatives to ecoli | 19:59 |
| kanzure_1_ | procto: you used "latter" twice. | 20:00 |
| kanzure_1_ | ambiguity. | 20:00 |
| * procto is working on designs for EphemerIsle (http://seasteading.org/seastead.org/ephemerisle/index.html) | 20:00 | |
| procto | the second latter should be "former" | 20:00 |
| xp_prg | kanzure I just sent you biobench .001! | 20:05 |
| xp_prg | check your email | 20:05 |
| kanzure_1_ | Give me a moment. | 20:07 |
| xp_prg | k | 20:07 |
| UtopiahGHML | procto: is it a project similar to Patris' Friedman project? | 20:07 |
| kanzure_1_ | Why the fuck is it in flash? | 20:09 |
| xp_prg | cuz of how dynamic the application is | 20:09 |
| kanzure_1_ | bullshit | 20:09 |
| xp_prg | dude did you see it though?! | 20:09 |
| kanzure_1_ | I can't open this. | 20:10 |
| xp_prg | you don't have a flash enabled broswer? | 20:10 |
| procto | UtopiahGHML: that page is written by him | 20:10 |
| kanzure_1_ | No. Why would I? | 20:10 |
| xp_prg | to watch youtube and other stuff etc... | 20:10 |
| UtopiahGHML | procto: guess it is then :) | 20:10 |
| procto | UtopiahGHML: it's one of the events that the seasteading institute is trying to get going | 20:10 |
| UtopiahGHML | ok, cool | 20:10 |
| procto | UtopiahGHML: though TSI will not be official "organizing" in any capacity to reduce liability | 20:10 |
| procto | I went to the Seasteading conference a few weeks ago | 20:11 |
| procto | stayed at Patri's house :> | 20:11 |
| xp_prg | kanzure can you get flash so you can look at it? :( | 20:12 |
| procto | xp_prg: link me? | 20:12 |
| xp_prg | I will forward the files to you procto, what is your email? | 20:13 |
| kanzure_1_ | Hold on. | 20:13 |
| kanzure_1_ | I'm uploading. | 20:13 |
| procto | kk | 20:14 |
| procto | waiting for upload :> | 20:14 |
| procto | xp_prg: my email is on the diybio mailing list, iirc. I'm Mike K | 20:14 |
| xp_prg | well I don't have that handy, just give it to me here real quick and I will forward you the files | 20:15 |
| procto | kanzure_1_: what's the upload status? | 20:17 |
| kanzure_1_ | Uhm, figuring out how to use sftp | 20:17 |
| procto | xp_prg: see PM | 20:18 |
| xp_prg | sent procto | 20:19 |
| kanzure_1_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/biobench/ | 20:20 |
| procto | xp_prg: is it supposed to be just the menu bar? | 20:21 |
| xp_prg | it is suppost to show a picture when you do file->new->cell->yeast | 20:21 |
| xp_prg | no | 20:21 |
| procto | ah, local files can't access remote files | 20:21 |
| procto | that's a security model violation | 20:21 |
| procto | you have to specifically allow | 20:22 |
| procto | btw, I highly recommend you use Flex if you want to keep using flash | 20:22 |
| procto | instead of working in .fla files | 20:22 |
| xp_prg | procto I have no problem with that I am new to flash and need help understanding the best way to proceed, did you fix the security problem procto, do you see the picture? | 20:22 |
| procto | I'm using bryan's uploaded | 20:23 |
| procto | right... seems that doesn't work either | 20:23 |
| procto | I believe that the code is simple enough to be done wholly within javascript | 20:23 |
| kanzure_1_ | why are you using flash. | 20:24 |
| kanzure_1_ | do you hate me? | 20:24 |
| xp_prg | no, you will see the app is too complex for actionscript | 20:25 |
| kanzure_1_ | that's reason enough to avoid flash | 20:25 |
| xp_prg | but I will be happy to try to do both | 20:25 |
| kanzure_1_ | the javascript is already written | 20:25 |
| xp_prg | I mean too complex for javascript | 20:25 |
| kanzure_1_ | for the past two days I've been telling you that | 20:25 |
| procto | uh... actionscript, which is what flash uses | 20:25 |
| procto | relies on the SAME underlying standard: ECMAScript | 20:25 |
| procto | the only addition that actionscript provides is an object system and a large library | 20:26 |
| xp_prg | procto did you ever see the picture? | 20:26 |
| procto | there is such an abundance of javascript libraries, that this is a feature of actionscript that is negligeable | 20:26 |
| procto | xp_prg: nope | 20:26 |
| procto | xp_prg: in ff it just sits there, saying it's transferring data from biologynews | 20:26 |
| kanzure_1_ | Also, the flash stuff fails with swf-plugin for firefox. | 20:27 |
| procto | xp_prg: I have a debug version of flash, but only in IE it pops up a details error | 20:27 |
| xp_prg | hmm... I will work on fixing that | 20:27 |
| kanzure_1_ | Don't. You don't have to. | 20:27 |
| kanzure_1_ | The javascript version already works. | 20:28 |
| kanzure_1_ | Do you remember what I was talking about yesterday? About interface1.php, interface2.php, interface3.php and the NetCDM files that they generate? | 20:28 |
| kanzure_1_ | http://synbioss.sf.net/ | 20:28 |
| xp_prg | ya, the javascript stuff you showed me was not as graphically oriented as you first described the application | 20:28 |
| kanzure_1_ | How so? | 20:29 |
| xp_prg | you said you would show a picture of the cell and you would right click on the cell to add bio bricks etc.. | 20:29 |
| kanzure_1_ | huh | 20:29 |
| kanzure_1_ | I did? | 20:29 |
| xp_prg | yup | 20:29 |
| kanzure_1_ | why would you click on the cell? | 20:30 |
| xp_prg | it was in the wiki | 20:30 |
| kanzure_1_ | What would the point of clicking on a cell be | 20:31 |
| xp_prg | look at the wiki | 20:32 |
| procto | xp_prg: can you link me to the image you were trying to load? | 20:32 |
| xp_prg | procto I am fixing it hold on | 20:34 |
| procto | http://logarchy.org/biobench.html | 20:44 |
| procto | just implemented the demo functionality with jquery :> | 20:44 |
| kanzure_1_ | procto: Did you see the graph-easy stuff? | 20:44 |
| kanzure_1_ | uh | 20:44 |
| kanzure_1_ | what the hell are you doing? | 20:44 |
| procto | kanzure_1_: hmm? no | 20:44 |
| kanzure_1_ | procto: That's not what we're doing here. :( | 20:44 |
| procto | kanzure_1_: nothing, I just did exactly what the flash biobench does | 20:44 |
| kanzure_1_ | wtf, that's what it does? | 20:44 |
| procto | kanzure_1_: I wasn't trying to create anything useful | 20:44 |
| kanzure_1_ | What's going on here? | 20:44 |
| kanzure_1_ | Why are we clicking on a picture of a cell?? | 20:44 |
| procto | kanzure_1_: I have no time for that, or I would've offered righ away | 20:45 |
| kanzure_1_ | This has nothing to do with the functionality. | 20:45 |
| procto | kanzure_1_: do you have a doc describing what you need? | 20:45 |
| procto | that is, a requirements document? | 20:45 |
| kanzure_1_ | procto: http://synbioss.sf.net/ Look at the 'designer'. What I need is that to be reverse engineered. | 20:45 |
| kanzure_1_ | And then I'll save all of you whining nonbrainers and do the AJAX crap myself. | 20:45 |
| kanzure_1_ | http://heybryan.org/graph/ (if you care) is the AJAX implementation. | 20:46 |
| kanzure_1_ | http://bloodgate.com/graph-easy/ | 20:46 |
| kanzure_1_ | http://bloodgate.com/graph-demo/ | 20:46 |
| kanzure_1_ | xp_prg: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Biobench | 20:47 |
| kanzure_1_ | Tell me what this mockup: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/skdb-mockup/select-icon.png has to do with clicking on a cell? | 20:47 |
| -!- kanzure_1_ is now known as kanzure__ | 20:48 | |
| kanzure__ | Anyway, the wiki is back up. | 20:52 |
| kanzure__ | For the record, the MySQL database had to be "repaired". | 20:52 |
| kanzure__ | Anybody know where biobricks.zip is? | 20:55 |
| kanzure__ | ping? | 20:57 |
| xp_prg | I don't know where it is | 20:57 |
| kanzure__ | You don't have the logs. | 20:58 |
| procto | I think that the problem is that there isn't a well defined requirements document | 20:58 |
| kanzure__ | The AJAX interface is practically done. | 20:59 |
| kanzure__ | So now the backend needs to be done. Do you know where the UMN neptune server is? | 20:59 |
| kanzure__ | Once those two aspects are done, the basic app is to a "version 1.0 look it actually works" stage. | 20:59 |
| kanzure__ | procto: if you want to write a requirements doc for that though, by all means ... it's just that the functionality is clearly already implemented on that server so now it's just a task of figuring out what the backend is. | 21:01 |
| kanzure__ | http://neptune.cems.umn.edu/designer/interface1.php | 21:01 |
| procto | are there rules for how the biobricks fit together? | 21:02 |
| procto | i.e. what bricks can go and what can't? | 21:02 |
| procto | and does the neptune server handle that already? | 21:02 |
| kanzure__ | The neptune server "handles" it. Yes. In a creative, annoying way. But yes. | 21:02 |
| procto | those interface#.php pages | 21:02 |
| kanzure__ | yes | 21:03 |
| procto | looking at the tutorial | 21:03 |
| procto | seem to be mostly collecting data | 21:03 |
| kanzure__ | there's also tutorial# pages | 21:03 |
| procto | or rather, only collecting data | 21:03 |
| procto | then some funky process occurs behind the scenes, and voila, output file | 21:03 |
| kanzure__ | yes but I've already put all of the biobricks into some of those basic categories | 21:03 |
| procto | so what you want is | 21:03 |
| kanzure__ | yeah | 21:03 |
| kanzure__ | I want the funky process | 21:03 |
| procto | pretty interface for filling in those forms | 21:03 |
| procto | and then | 21:03 |
| kanzure__ | see, I already have the biobrick classifications | 21:03 |
| procto | something that draws the pretty picture | 21:03 |
| kanzure__ | apparently they somewhat have rules | 21:03 |
| kanzure__ | I already have pretty picture drawing, ignore it | 21:04 |
| kanzure__ | just think "SBML" or "nc" (preferably SBML) | 21:04 |
| kanzure__ | I did a dump of the biobricks servers .. look here: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/biobricks/cats/ | 21:04 |
| kanzure__ | each one of those pages has all biobricks within that category | 21:04 |
| kanzure__ | I just need to do a regexp on it and I'll be able to say that there's a set that belong in each category, so that a user could select it or whatever | 21:05 |
| kanzure__ | since this sucks so much in the end I'll probably add a wiki iframe or somesuch to the ajax interface | 21:05 |
| kanzure__ | so that the user can read the machine-unparseable notes on the partsregistry.org wiki | 21:05 |
| procto | ok... the design process that's going on is so alien to anything I've ever done I'd have to start from scratch | 21:06 |
| procto | plus, I don't have all the bio to fully grok it | 21:06 |
| procto | I think I'll leave work now :> | 21:06 |
| kanzure__ | show me that you need bio to grok it. | 21:06 |
| kanzure__ | I think this is just an annoying reverse engineering task at this point. reading through designer.pdf and such. | 21:07 |
| kanzure__ | http://synbioss.sourceforge.net/wp-content/uploads/supplement.pdf | 21:08 |
| kanzure__ | for later (me): http://code.google.com/p/dsmts/ | 21:10 |
| kanzure__ | http://www.pronea.com/th.html transhuman comic? | 21:14 |
| kanzure__ | http://www.pronea.com/samples/TH1_preview.pdf | 21:15 |
| xp_prg | sent you both new and improved, try it now! | 21:15 |
| xp_prg | procto you seeing it? | 21:18 |
| kanzure__ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/biobench/001/ | 21:18 |
| xp_prg | awsome! | 21:19 |
| kanzure__ | No. Still doesn't show anything. | 21:19 |
| xp_prg | right click on the picture once it comes up | 21:19 |
| xp_prg | file->new->cell->ecoli | 21:19 |
| xp_prg | kanzure_ you don't see it? | 21:19 |
| kanzure__ | That's correct. I told you last time as well. | 21:19 |
| xp_prg | it works for me just now at your link | 21:20 |
| kanzure__ | You don't have my setup. | 21:20 |
| xp_prg | procto you here? | 21:20 |
| xp_prg | just confirmed with someone else that it works! | 21:23 |
| xp_prg | fenn you here? | 21:31 |
| kanzure | http://twitter.com/Chandrayaan1 | 21:45 |
| kanzure | http://twitter.com/Chandrayaan | 21:45 |
| kanzure | "planets thought dead might be habitable" yawn http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/081021-st-planets-tides.html | 21:45 |
| kanzure | "I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." | 21:55 |
| kanzure | ' Can fish survive by filter-feeding on microparticles? Energy balance in tilapia grazing on algal ' | 22:19 |
| bkero | Hm, so I guess tea isn't actually a diuretic. | 22:27 |
| willPow3r | its the caffeine thats the diuretic | 22:28 |
| bkero | Right | 22:34 |
| bkero | But the point was that it doesn't affect anybody who has even a slight caffeine tolerence. | 22:34 |
| xp_prg | where is fenn these days? | 22:36 |
| kanzure | Sleeping. | 22:38 |
| kanzure | 'Mechanical behavior in cells consistent with the tensegrity model' http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/98/14/7765 | 23:13 |
| kanzure | Huh. | 23:15 |
| kanzure | Microalgae generally resist up to 20 atmospheres of pressure and that the structures that allow this are as strong as concrete. | 23:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.massey.ac.nz/~ychisti/CellDRev.pdf | 23:16 |
| kanzure | Ah, this is Chisti. | 23:16 |
| kanzure | Argh. Going in circles. http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=inurl%3Abiopoems+cell+lysis&btnG=Search | 23:29 |
| kanzure | One of the results is: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/biotech/biotech-DIY__kanzure_2008-01-27_v1/oww/Biopoems:Research.html | 23:30 |
| kanzure | http://biopoems.berkeley.edu/publications/philipandpaul.pdf Cell Culture Array | 23:30 |
| kanzure | http://biopoems.berkeley.edu/publications/adrian-loc-open_access_patch.pdf Patch-clamp Array | 23:30 |
| bkero | What do you guys think of Monsanto? | 23:30 |
| kanzure | http://biopoems.berkeley.edu/publications/Khine-Electroporation.pdf Single Cell Electroporation Array | 23:31 |
| kanzure | Who? | 23:31 |
| bkero | Monsanto | 23:31 |
| kanzure | http://biopoems.berkeley.edu/publications/DiCarlo-mechanical-LabChip2003.pdf Mechanical Cell Lysis | 23:31 |
| kanzure | Hrm. These guys are fairly awesome. | 23:31 |
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