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| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-11-02.png | 00:28 |
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| kanzure_ | Ok. Not quite what I was talking about. | 00:29 |
| kanzure_ | What shape has 12 faces but only 20 points? | 00:49 |
| -!- draz|bread is now known as drazak | 02:35 | |
| kanzure_ | Hm. That's odd. In some medical procedures they just drill straight into the skull through the scalp without pealing it back. | 02:35 |
| kanzure_ | Gah, wasn't capturing the return variable of my Super Special Function and have been wondering what's so wrong with it for the past, oh, hour. | 03:28 |
| kanzure_ | Aw. But now I have to recalculate the meshing for subtractive manipulations. Actually, the python script isn't really that great with the rendering because of its instance on quads or something. Up close things start getting blitted on top of each other when they shouldn't be, etc. | 03:39 |
| kanzure_ | s/instance/insistence/ | 03:41 |
| kanzure_ | I think Meredith has taken my role on diybio. | 03:51 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-11-02_supermetal.png | 04:01 |
| kanzure_ | Maybe I should implement some other shape, huh? | 04:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/shots/2008-11-02_supermetal_2.png | 04:24 |
| procto | kanzure_: what lib are you using for the 3d? | 05:35 |
| kanzure_ | pygame apparently | 05:35 |
| kanzure_ | probably has an opengl backend | 05:35 |
| procto | hehe, that's exactly what I'm using, too | 05:36 |
| * procto is prototyping a ZUI | 05:36 | |
| kanzure_ | Zeus User Interface? | 05:37 |
| procto | zooming | 05:37 |
| kanzure_ | Have you tried Xanadu's zooming features? | 05:37 |
| procto | there are nearly no good zui's that aren't prototypes | 05:37 |
| procto | I think so | 05:37 |
| procto | it's been years since I checked it out | 05:37 |
| kanzure_ | Besides Xanadu, there was one other interface I once used that was zooming. | 05:37 |
| kanzure_ | This was a typing game of some sort or another. | 05:38 |
| kanzure_ | Hrm, actually, it was a pointing-typing game. | 05:38 |
| kanzure_ | You would point at the letters popping up on the screen and construct a word. | 05:38 |
| procto | basically, I'm creating a general framework for distributing objects on a visual field | 05:38 |
| kanzure_ | of course, they were all arranged in the same pattern as they came up on the screen | 05:39 |
| procto | and providing 2.5 dimensions of navigation based on mereological relationships | 05:39 |
| kanzure_ | mereological? | 05:39 |
| procto | uhm... what things are contained in other things | 05:39 |
| procto | think of it as a counterpart to ontology | 05:40 |
| procto | ontology is what things there are, mereology is how they are arranged. | 05:40 |
| kanzure_ | I've been wanting a zooming interface to grammatical sentence constructions and narrative support. | 05:41 |
| kanzure_ | or zooming for gdmap :) | 05:41 |
| procto | I wrote a treemap tool for morgan stanely a few months back | 05:41 |
| kanzure_ | for who? | 05:41 |
| procto | morgan stanely prime brokerage | 05:42 |
| procto | that sorta stuff is big in financials | 05:44 |
| kanzure_ | Huh. | 05:44 |
| procto | though they are generally conservative | 05:44 |
| procto | anything that lets them process more data | 05:45 |
| kanzure_ | procto: What protocols are they using these days for financial information transfer? | 05:45 |
| procto | hahaha oh god | 05:46 |
| procto | so many different ones | 05:46 |
| kanzure_ | FIX? EDI? | 05:46 |
| procto | god no EDI | 05:46 |
| kanzure_ | AS2? | 05:46 |
| procto | I want everyone who does EDI to die | 05:46 |
| kanzure_ | Well, then what are they up to? | 05:46 |
| kanzure_ | ebXML? | 05:46 |
| procto | I dealth with a whole bunch of proprietary protocols | 05:47 |
| procto | and also things like RIXML | 05:47 |
| kanzure_ | Hmph. | 05:47 |
| kanzure_ | RIXML? That's a new one for me. | 05:47 |
| procto | http://rixml.org/ | 05:47 |
| procto | but yeah, the bigger the firm, the more proprietary "standards" they use | 05:48 |
| kanzure_ | procto: You've heard me ranting about wanting to wire up to querying protocols for price quoting and so on with various companies/suppliers, yes? | 05:49 |
| procto | no | 05:49 |
| kanzure_ | well that's basically it heh' | 05:49 |
| procto | I ma really really glad to not have to deal with those | 05:49 |
| procto | standards like FIX and the various EDI ones make me want to cry | 05:50 |
| kanzure_ | I'm working on linking up my design stuff to product ordering stuff | 05:50 |
| kanzure_ | http://dhcp-84-253.me.utexas.edu/graph/graph-easy/ <-- this is translated into a specific design (of implementations), and then various materials and instructions, then *click* | 05:50 |
| procto | I recommend looking to see if there's an RDF-based standard. Then you can easily work up some GRDDL definitions and the like | 05:51 |
| kanzure_ | Mmm. I've been looking around for a while. The big issue is that even if companies have all of this implemented, it's all "closed" in that they want businesses of their size to strike up a deal before interfacing with the internet. | 05:51 |
| kanzure_ | *over the net | 05:51 |
| kanzure_ | Hi ybit. | 05:53 |
| procto | right | 05:53 |
| procto | so you want a robust ontology | 05:53 |
| kanzure_ | Nope. | 05:53 |
| procto | and then an interface layer that lets you adapt to whatever standard a given company uses | 05:54 |
| kanzure_ | ebXML allows for "ontology discovering" to some extent. | 05:54 |
| procto | because mostly they won't give you the time of day | 05:54 |
| ybit | oi kanzure_ | 05:54 |
| kanzure_ | yeah, they have CPP/CPA for discovering what WSDL services they offer | 05:54 |
| kanzure_ | searchda.com or something, uh, a WSDL search engine | 05:54 |
| kanzure_ | searchdea? | 05:54 |
| kanzure_ | seekda? | 05:54 |
| kanzure_ | Seekda. Anyway. | 05:57 |
| kanzure_ | procto: There's a chance that onlinemetals.com is willing to let me work my magic on their servers. | 05:57 |
| gene_ | hey kanzure you there? | 06:25 |
| gene_ | lol guess not | 06:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | http://www.hplusmagazine.com/ | 09:15 |
| UtopiahGHML | faceface : what about proposing the degree to http://www.peer2peeruniversity.org/ ? | 09:24 |
| willPow3r | windows 7 is on usenet. /me downloads. | 10:09 |
| UtopiahGHML | what for | 10:09 |
| willPow3r | because i have a serious infection on my main winblowz machine and need to do a reinstall anyway | 10:10 |
| willPow3r | and it seems vista was an intermediate upgrade anyway, since 7 is looking to be a major upgrade | 10:10 |
| UtopiahGHML | ok | 10:10 |
| UtopiahGHML | what are the new functionnalities? | 10:11 |
| willPow3r | its a lot more internet-based | 10:12 |
| UtopiahGHML | it has a browser? | 10:12 |
| willPow3r | heh i woudn't call IE a browser | 10:13 |
| UtopiahGHML | so what does it mean to be more "internet-based"? | 10:13 |
| willPow3r | i mean like more network-focused | 10:13 |
| willPow3r | like file synch, live services, etc | 10:13 |
| willPow3r | i used to be pretty skeptical of it all | 10:13 |
| willPow3r | but to be honest, it's looking like its a lot more useful than it once was | 10:14 |
| willPow3r | paint got an upgrade too. | 10:15 |
| UtopiahGHML | right | 10:17 |
| UtopiahGHML | I think Ill just stick to Firefox for now | 10:17 |
| willPow3r | even my gf uses firefox. so you don't have to be some total comp geek to use it | 10:28 |
| UtopiahGHML | that's my FF http://lh4.ggpht.com/_PLYWU2YPXG0/SQ2pZTbFLzI/AAAAAAAABss/nnoMAD6rg90/s720/current_browsing.JPG | 10:32 |
| willPow3r | pretty elaboratre | 10:35 |
| willPow3r | elaborate* | 10:35 |
| willPow3r | seedea looks neat, i'll have to look into that | 10:35 |
| willPow3r | i figured you'd be using linux though | 10:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | well I should since Im using only FOSS but last time I had a problem with multi-head display so ... Im just using XP now | 10:36 |
| willPow3r | with ubuntu 7.10 its pretty straightforward. | 10:38 |
| UtopiahGHML | I have a slackware installed but... rebooting outch, I already have difficulties restarting FF so :-x | 10:38 |
| UtopiahGHML | I should work on a cross system ~ folder though, if possible a remote one to mount | 10:39 |
| UtopiahGHML | so that basically I could use Linux/Windows/PenDriveboot from anywhere and still have my tools ready. | 10:39 |
| willPow3r | have you tried the IFS drives program for windows that lets you mount linux shares? | 10:40 |
| willPow3r | or linux partitions | 10:40 |
| willPow3r | also, in linux, ntfs-3g can mount ntfs partitions no problem, read & write fully supported | 10:41 |
| UtopiahGHML | I used it a while ago but now, now, if I have to spend some time on tweaking and configuring, it would be to not be HD dependant anymore. | 10:41 |
| UtopiahGHML | (using my online software more and more is already going in that direction) | 10:42 |
| willPow3r | yeah. i had a fantastic idea to help people move their lives more online, but a friend wouldn't help implement it | 10:44 |
| UtopiahGHML | I like fantastic ideas, please tell me more :) | 10:44 |
| fenn | it's simple, we simply remove your brain from your head, attach electrodes, and set it in a little jar on a rack in some data center | 10:55 |
| UtopiahGHML | can't we just upload the circuitery? | 10:58 |
| marainein | put the brain inside an humanlike robot instead...that would upset less people | 10:59 |
| UtopiahGHML | a ghost in the shell | 11:01 |
| marainein | of course the life support for the brain thing might not be easy...afaik we can't even make a decent artificial heart | 11:01 |
| fenn | idea from http://marshallbrain.com/discard1.htm | 11:07 |
| fenn | and of course robocop :) | 11:09 |
| marainein | i haven't finished reading it | 11:10 |
| marainein | but how will these posthumans have sex? | 11:10 |
| fenn | "quite well, thank you" :) | 11:11 |
| UtopiahGHML | marainein: what do you mean? | 11:12 |
| marainein | i was assuming they'd be put into robot bodies...but that's not what's being proposed | 11:18 |
| marainein | "The Brain Storage Facility will throw your biological body in an incinerator. You will discard your biological body quite happily, and it will not seem like a loss at all. It will be a relief." | 11:18 |
| UtopiahGHML | and what's the problem with sex then? | 11:18 |
| marainein | so it will be VR all the way | 11:18 |
| marainein | none, really | 11:19 |
| marainein | except that there will have to be robots anyway | 11:19 |
| marainein | to take car of things in the real world | 11:19 |
| UtopiahGHML | you know why you want and like sex? | 11:19 |
| fenn | you experience reality through a narrow slice of spinal cord and optic nerves anyway | 11:19 |
| UtopiahGHML | hormons and culture. | 11:19 |
| UtopiahGHML | without hormons from your old biological body | 11:19 |
| marainein | and the olfactory system, i bet | 11:19 |
| fenn | it's not like it's less real because it's coming from a camera a thousand miles away instead of three inches | 11:20 |
| UtopiahGHML | culture will be the only drive thus being VR or not, no problem | 11:20 |
| marainein | hmm...no hormones except what comes out of the brain | 11:21 |
| fenn | smokers would never be able to do it :) | 11:21 |
| marainein | no, i think any life support system for the brain would include them, at least as an option | 11:21 |
| fenn | adrenaline addicts and dont even know it | 11:21 |
| UtopiahGHML | opoids | 11:22 |
| UtopiahGHML | btw if anybody knows a good study that would correlate opoid/opioid derivatives or naturaly generated to creativity, Id be curious to read it | 11:23 |
| UtopiahGHML | (maybe endorphins, enkephalins, dynorphins, and endomorphins) | 11:24 |
| UtopiahGHML | (eventually sth on "creativity orgasms" and the release of endogenous opioid and their potential addictions) | 11:26 |
| fenn | anyone read "i will fear no evil"? | 11:26 |
| UtopiahGHML | nop | 11:26 |
| UtopiahGHML | "This is a brain function that is is helped along by an increase in endorphin levels and an increase in blood flow to the brain." right but I want papers on this, not just chit-chat | 11:32 |
| nsh | hm | 11:32 |
| faceface | UtopiahGHML, papers on what topic again? | 11:33 |
| UtopiahGHML | possible correlation between endorphin (endogenous opioid) and creativity | 11:34 |
| UtopiahGHML | (and consequently a possible addiction to creative activities) | 11:34 |
| faceface | ty | 11:35 |
| fenn | the addictionization of all activities | 11:35 |
| fenn | i'm addicted to light, water, food, breathing... | 11:35 |
| marainein | sleep | 11:36 |
| faceface | Jazz and substance abuse: road to creative genius or pathway to premature death. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17964650?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum | 11:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | but I don't think need higher doses | 11:36 |
| * nsh frowns at UtopiahGHML | 11:36 | |
| marainein | i'd really like to get rid of sleep | 11:36 |
| fenn | i enjoy dreaming, but 12 hours a day is too much | 11:37 |
| marainein | i don't mind the occasional dream, but being unconscious disturbs me | 11:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | faceface: update the wiki page btw | 11:38 |
| UtopiahGHML | s/update/updated/ sry | 11:39 |
| faceface | The impact of electronic media on mental and somatic children's health ? | 11:39 |
| faceface | UtopiahGHML, cool | 11:39 |
| faceface | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17869577 | 11:39 |
| nsh | marainein, the vast majority of you is unconscious | 11:39 |
| faceface | Cyber-sex as twilight zone between virtual reality and virtual fantasy: creative play space or destructive addiction? | 11:39 |
| willPow3r | faceface, creative addiction | 11:59 |
| faceface | willPow3r, pubmed | 12:00 |
| willPow3r | indeed it is | 12:05 |
| faceface | I heard a proposal that we should direct all our efforts into intelligence enhancing drugs (for the feedback effect). | 12:08 |
| willPow3r | the unfortunate part of that proposal is that we wont know if its a good idea or not until we try it | 12:12 |
| willPow3r | on a very large scale | 12:12 |
| kanzure_ | Can we claim a work as copyrighted if we have its md5 hash? | 12:13 |
| kanzure_ | instead of the actual work? | 12:13 |
| * kanzure_ is thinking of the md5 bitbanging crowd on rizon.net. They generate all possible inputs to the md5 generator up to some size. | 12:14 | |
| kanzure_ | UtopiahGHML: Are you aware of p2pfoundation.net? And have you told Michel of peer2peeruniversity.org? | 12:14 |
| fenn | since an md5 is not a "creative work" i'd guess no | 12:15 |
| fenn | (you cant copyright a number) | 12:15 |
| fenn | (yes i know computer programs are numbers) | 12:15 |
| kanzure_ | faceface: Re: all into intelligence enhancing drugs for the feedback effect, the drugs are one way, but there's some other options to be investigating. Uh, ultrasound. *cough* | 12:18 |
| willPow3r | lol | 12:19 |
| faceface | kanzure_, I see | 12:20 |
| faceface | kanzure_, did you see the rainbow tables pdf I posted? | 12:20 |
| kanzure_ | Woah. The tv-box-news-thingy has this all down to exact numbers. "Under McCain, you will save xyz money per week on entertainment. | 12:20 |
| kanzure_ | faceface: No. You best email me the link: kanzure@gmail.com | 12:20 |
| faceface | anyone keep logs that far back? | 12:21 |
| kanzure_ | me :) | 12:21 |
| kanzure_ | oh wait | 12:21 |
| kanzure_ | so yes, I do have the logs | 12:21 |
| faceface | sorry, I don't think I do | 12:21 |
| faceface | I got an email though | 12:21 |
| faceface | sent | 12:22 |
| kanzure_ | Anywho, http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Sustained_attention | 12:22 |
| kanzure_ | That was my attempt at mapping out which parts of the brain would be useful to 'enhance' if we're looking for some stupid correlate of 'intelligence'. | 12:23 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/humancortex.html | 12:23 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/egan.html | 12:23 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/buildingbrains.html | 12:23 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/recursion.html | 12:23 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/thinking.html (from the other direction) | 12:23 |
| kanzure_ | These pages are some ranting-style notes on brainal augmentation stuffs. | 12:23 |
| faceface | yeah, thats part of the debate, somtimes its focus, othertiems its creativity | 12:24 |
| kanzure_ | At one point I was writing some software in http://heybryan.org/books/mousebrain/ to display the human cortex gene expression information so that I could find molecular correlates to the information on http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Sustained_attention | 12:24 |
| faceface | seen mouse atlas? | 12:24 |
| faceface | I guess so | 12:24 |
| kanzure_ | Yes, I have it in /books/mousebrain/ | 12:24 |
| fenn | -==><Spaceship XML> <br> <br> | 12:28 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: catch my spaceship xml link? | 12:29 |
| kanzure_ | and where did I recently talk about spaceship xml anyway? | 12:29 |
| fenn | openvirgle | 12:30 |
| fenn | i guess that should be <pew> <pew> | 12:30 |
| kanzure_ | in a moderately appropriate list? that's a new one | 12:30 |
| kanzure_ | metal generator is working | 12:30 |
| kanzure_ | I'm not doing subtraction yet, but supposedly that's easy. | 12:31 |
| fenn | uh, you might want to check your assumption | 12:31 |
| kanzure_ | I don't know why I wrote this. | 12:32 |
| kanzure_ | It's not like it's very useful. So what, you can generate a million stupid shapes of things that would fail even a toddler's tests-for-usability. | 12:34 |
| UtopiahGHML | 13:14 < kanzure_> UtopiahGHML: Are you aware of p2pfoundation.net? And have you told Michel of peer2peeruniversity.org? | 12:45 |
| UtopiahGHML | I updated the wiki page with P2PU link few hours ago | 12:46 |
| UtopiahGHML | IMHO contacting him without having a clean page to show first is risky | 12:48 |
| UtopiahGHML | we need to show some work, some value to bring, I don't like empty promises. | 12:49 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: If this point is further out than that poit, then *gasp* | 13:05 |
| kanzure_ | where one point is a boundary point, I mean, and one side of it is to be conserved | 13:05 |
| kanzure_ | Recomputing the mesh when chunks are taken out of objects is a matter of keeping the original object boundaries, slicing off the "tip" inserted into the other object, and then giving those points/faces to the object it's cutting into, removing the original surface, with a pattern at the "hole" equivalent to the cross section at the intersection | 13:08 |
| * kanzure_ goes down to eat. | 13:08 | |
| UtopiahGHML | what's the website for shared dataset? it's been posted here a while ago | 13:08 |
| kanzure_ | UtopiahGHML: http://theinfo.org/ ? | 13:08 |
| UtopiahGHML | thank you kanzure_ | 13:08 |
| faceface | UtopiahGHML, clean page - right | 13:52 |
| kanzure__ | Hm. | 16:59 |
| -!- boogles_ is now known as boogles | 17:22 | |
| kanzure__ | Hi boogles. | 17:23 |
| boogles | Hey there. | 17:24 |
| bkero | Das boogles | 17:25 |
| boogles | Die booglen | 17:25 |
| bkero | boogles is a pants roll | 17:25 |
| bkero | troll | 17:25 |
| boogles | Pants | 17:25 |
| boogles | I'm in ur pants trollin ur zippers | 17:25 |
| bkero | boogles: You want to come over and play with mah EEG? | 17:25 |
| -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] | 17:25 | |
| boogles | Will I have to shave my head? | 17:25 |
| bkero | Do you want to shave your head? | 17:25 |
| bkero | We are coming into winter. | 17:26 |
| boogles | Not particularly. | 17:26 |
| boogles | Exactly. | 17:26 |
| kanzure__ | bkero: *I* want to come over and play with the EEG. | 17:26 |
| bkero | kanzure__: Get on the first flight to Oreogn. | 17:26 |
| bkero | *oregon | 17:26 |
| boogles | Waitaminute, you're back? | 17:26 |
| bkero | Haha, no. | 17:27 |
| boogles | Awwww. | 17:27 |
| boogles | :( | 17:27 |
| bkero | Yes, get on the first flight to Oregon and I'll meet you in January. ;P | 17:27 |
| boogles | Step 1 complete. | 17:28 |
| bkero | kanzure__: You can order one prebuilt from a gentleman in England. That's what I did. | 17:29 |
| bkero | It's the price of components plus $100 assembly. | 17:29 |
| bkero | I still needed to source electrodes in from Canada. | 17:29 |
| UtopiahGHML | cheaper than Emotiv/Neurosky? | 17:30 |
| bkero | $400 total | 17:30 |
| bkero | $350 plus $50 shipping over the drink. | 17:31 |
| boogles | So the Emotiv is real? | 17:31 |
| boogles | Not some internet fabrication? | 17:31 |
| UtopiahGHML | http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/prototype-this-mind-controlled-car-full-episode.html | 17:32 |
| boogles | Hm.... *extremely tempted to reserve one* | 17:32 |
| * boogles gets paycheck | 17:33 | |
| UtopiahGHML | SDK http://emotiv.com/corporate/1_0/1_1.htm | 17:33 |
| bkero | It's for a 2 channel, which should get me X-axis, Y-axis, and a single 'click' | 17:33 |
| bkero | UtopiahGHML: Can i buy an emotiv anywhere? | 17:34 |
| boogles | Is their SDK only for Windows? | 17:34 |
| UtopiahGHML | bkero: dunno if you are in the BayArea but they are located in SF | 17:35 |
| bkero | I used to be located in the bay area. | 17:35 |
| UtopiahGHML | I don't have on myself so I can't tell | 17:35 |
| bkero | Should I go knock on their door and ask if I can have one? | 17:35 |
| boogles | Perhaps I will e-mail themz | 17:35 |
| UtopiahGHML | :) | 17:35 |
| kanzure__ | Everybody in the world has been talking with them. | 17:35 |
| boogles | And/or develop a linux port | 17:35 |
| kanzure__ | I would be surprised if they reply to your emailings. | 17:35 |
| boogles | Yeah | 17:35 |
| kanzure__ | Best to just start hacking one. | 17:35 |
| boogles | Worth a shot tho | 17:35 |
| boogles | With the hardware? | 17:35 |
| * kanzure__ doesn't like the emotiv people because of the lies in the media. "READS YER MINDZ!" | 17:36 | |
| boogles | *out | 17:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | try http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=9489703974 maybe | 17:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | yep their marketing is... just wrong | 17:36 |
| bkero | kanzure__: I've seen their speil. I think I can do it better. :) | 17:36 |
| kanzure__ | A better speil? | 17:36 |
| bkero | A better cursor control implementation. | 17:36 |
| kanzure__ | I think all of us here could. | 17:36 |
| kanzure__ | Oh. | 17:36 |
| boogles | Too bad you lack means of production. :/ | 17:37 |
| kanzure__ | Does the emotiv headset come with an optional HUD? | 17:37 |
| boogles | zomg that'd be amazing | 17:37 |
| kanzure__ | boogles: Bah with means of production. | 17:37 |
| bkero | HUDs don't work. :/ They fuck with your eyesight a lot. | 17:37 |
| kanzure__ | bkero: Not when you can flip it up like sunglasses. | 17:37 |
| boogles | Direct optic nerve projection++ | 17:37 |
| bkero | I had a HUD on sunglasses | 17:37 |
| kanzure__ | boogles: Implementation? | 17:37 |
| kanzure__ | bkero: No, I don't mean those. | 17:37 |
| boogles | lol No idea | 17:38 |
| kanzure__ | bkero: I mean the cyborg-eyecam style stuff. ;-) | 17:38 |
| bkero | Yea | 17:38 |
| bkero | Even with those | 17:38 |
| bkero | I've seen some attempts | 17:38 |
| * boogles classes | 17:38 | |
| bkero | The problem is that your mind-eye tries to place it as an object in your field of vision, and that doesn't work. | 17:38 |
| kanzure__ | Even when they are pulled back, and out of your line/sector of sight, how does it fail? | 17:38 |
| UtopiahGHML | http://www.neurosky.com/menu/main/technology/product_summary/ | 17:38 |
| kanzure__ | Neurosky sounds like a bad Russian name. | 17:38 |
| bkero | Since it has no depth, and cannot be placed in a 3d plane, your brain doesn't know WTF | 17:38 |
| bkero | Anybody want to help me beat them to market? :) | 17:39 |
| kanzure__ | Who? Emotiv? | 17:39 |
| UtopiahGHML | think it's partly SouthKorean based, at least one of their main scientist was from their AFAIR | 17:39 |
| bkero | Sure | 17:39 |
| bkero | How long has emotiv been pimping itself with nothing to show for it? | 17:39 |
| kanzure__ | They still aren't showing? | 17:39 |
| kanzure__ | wtf? | 17:39 |
| bkero | Where can I buy one? | 17:39 |
| kanzure__ | I don't know, I hate the product already, so I avoid it. | 17:39 |
| bkero | Heh | 17:40 |
| kanzure__ | Two variables extracted from the skull .. woop-de-do. | 17:41 |
| kanzure__ | So, I can actually start to fund some projects around here if anyone is interested. | 17:43 |
| UtopiahGHML | thing is, producing an EEG product is nice but having something more effective than today *super* cheap keyboard+mouse+speech_recognition is... way hard | 17:44 |
| UtopiahGHML | er | 17:44 |
| kanzure__ | I wish I could force people to read the logs. | 17:45 |
| kanzure__ | All of them. | 17:45 |
| UtopiahGHML | dreaming of kanzure's_work >> who_ever_brain or even better kanzure's_work > who_ever_brain? | 17:51 |
| kanzure__ | Okay. I have a nasty problem. I have to run a graph-intersection algorithm on a potentially ridiculously large number of graphs (1,000 to 755,000). This will take forever unless I stream it. And I also have to let the user see a representative sample. | 17:51 |
| kanzure__ | UtopiahGHML: What's the who_ever_brain variable? | 17:51 |
| kanzure__ | >> is fine, though | 17:51 |
| kanzure__ | no need for >'ing it | 17:51 |
| kanzure__ | http://ajaxpatterns.org/HTTP_Streaming <- Huh. | 17:54 |
| UtopiahGHML | build an array of PS3 and let it's compute the graph with matrices | 17:54 |
| bkero | Just use some video cards :P | 17:59 |
| UtopiahGHML | HMPP (Hybrid Multicore Parallel Programming) | 18:01 |
| kanzure__ | First I'll just have it stream out a list of matches, ajax-js-clear the list after 20 entries (or pop it at 20 or whatever), then go from there. | 18:01 |
| kanzure__ | File xyz matches with n nodes. | 18:01 |
| kanzure__ | Why did I make a dir with a million files in it? | 18:01 |
| kanzure__ | 3 GB of graphs. | 18:02 |
| UtopiahGHML | hope the result will be useful | 18:02 |
| UtopiahGHML | kanzure__: used Comet before? | 18:04 |
| kanzure__ | I haven't heard of it. | 18:04 |
| UtopiahGHML | well, best explanation Ive seen so far : http://www.freeliberator.com/comet/ | 18:04 |
| gene_ | you there kanzure? | 18:06 |
| kanzure__ | gene_: Yes. | 18:06 |
| kanzure__ | This is O(n^2) for a million graphs. This is a terrible idea. | 18:06 |
| kanzure__ | Thanks UtopiahGHML . | 18:07 |
| gene_ | so you want to see a presentation on neuroscience and the law? | 18:07 |
| UtopiahGHML | lol, like is it legal to hack a brain thanks to neuroscience :D | 18:08 |
| gene_ | they might go into the legality of cognitive enhancement | 18:08 |
| kanzure__ | Financial trading should not be done via AJAX _ever_. | 18:08 |
| kanzure__ | gene_: I'll look, but I won't agree with it. | 18:08 |
| gene_ | yeah | 18:08 |
| gene_ | want to crash it? | 18:08 |
| kanzure__ | Crash what? | 18:08 |
| gene_ | the presentation | 18:08 |
| gene_ | it's in carothers | 18:08 |
| gene_ | where I am | 18:08 |
| kanzure__ | Oh, you don't have the file? | 18:08 |
| kanzure__ | No, it's not worth it. | 18:09 |
| gene_ | k | 18:09 |
| kanzure__ | UtopiahGHML: I don't think they know what they are saying there. They claim that they don't use a polling model, but in truth TCP/IP stacks act as interrupts a.k.a polls. | 18:09 |
| UtopiahGHML | I wonder how Comet/Server push/HTTP streaming works behind proxies/firewall/nat/etc though.... | 18:10 |
| kanzure__ | Yeah, streaming rarely works behind proxies. | 18:10 |
| kanzure__ | Configuration of the proxies determines how long until the stream is closed, so. | 18:10 |
| kanzure__ | *until the streams are closed, so. | 18:10 |
| UtopiahGHML | guess it could be possible to degrade to a more classical query mode then though. | 18:10 |
| UtopiahGHML | if (no data receive for an amount of time) then query the server; | 18:11 |
| kanzure__ | http://perl.plover.com/Stream/stream.html <- Yay somebody understands infinite lists in programming. | 18:14 |
| UtopiahGHML | well recursion and lazy evaluating in Haskell have been managing infinite structures for a while | 18:17 |
| kanzure__ | http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/S/SP/SPARKS/whisper_1_2.pl <- CPAN doesn't have HTTP streaming support? | 18:26 |
| kanzure__ | Have to do it via socketing it myself. | 18:26 |
| kanzure__ | Ah, it's $| = 1. | 18:43 |
| kanzure__ | http://dhcp-84-253.me.utexas.edu/cgi-bin/test.cgi | 18:43 |
| kanzure__ | http://webwait.com/ <- Please please please somebody find me "SATA2 wait". Then we can show wyh this new fangled 'web' thing is such a bad ide.a | 20:33 |
| kanzure__ | *idea. | 20:33 |
| kanzure__ | http://ajaxpatterns.org/Periodic_Refresh <-- Why would a factory be using AJAX to display their floorplan? | 20:34 |
| kanzure__ | I am terribly confused. Everything is all Dr. Seuss on me. | 20:34 |
| fenn | because factories move machinery around depending on what they're making | 20:52 |
| fenn | it's like using miniature paper models, but more difficult | 20:53 |
| kanzure__ | http://dhcp-84-253.me.utexas.edu/graph/graph-easy/ | 20:54 |
| kanzure__ | Click "MAKE" and then click "Make the impossible possible" and be amazed. | 20:54 |
| UtopiahGHML | http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=3656 , how it can help. | 20:54 |
| procto | kanzure__: uh... looking at the "goal story" it's clear why they're using ajax. it's because it needs an updating information display... | 20:54 |
| procto | kanzure__: seems fairly obvious to me. what's the confusion? | 20:54 |
| * kanzure__ is looking at a non-ajax, non-browser updating interface at the moment | 20:55 | |
| kanzure__ | What's *your* confusion? | 20:55 |
| * kanzure__ goes off to a meeting | 20:55 | |
| bkero | Two more hours until I get to kill more super mutants. | 20:57 |
| fenn | in soviet russia, super mutants kill you! | 20:57 |
| fenn | bkero: is that some sort of fallout 3 reference? | 21:00 |
| bkero | fenn: Yes | 21:00 |
| bkero | I'm caught in a serious fallout 3 grip. | 21:00 |
| fenn | well it could be worse i guess | 21:01 |
| bkero | I could be mainlining heroin into my penis. | 21:01 |
| * procto is excited to play the mirror's edge demo | 21:02 | |
| procto | gonna do it sunday | 21:02 |
| kanzure__ | http://function2.device.mst.edu/download/ <- 1.4 GB in 10 minutes. Yay networks. | 22:50 |
| kanzure__ | port 16080 ? | 22:50 |
| willPow3r | 1.4 GB in 10 mins isnt that fast by usenet standards | 23:22 |
| willPow3r | well, nm | 23:22 |
| willPow3r | it is fast. | 23:22 |
| kanzure__ | :) | 23:23 |
| willPow3r | i gave up on bittorrent because i can't stand anything less than 1 MB/sec download. and that comes out to be... *crunches some numbers* ... 60 MB/min | 23:25 |
| kanzure__ | You can spend a few months torrenting the large gigabyte collections. | 23:26 |
| kanzure__ | Now imagine trying to torrent my /books/nature_extremedump/ | 23:26 |
| kanzure__ | It has something like an 8 MB directory index itself. | 23:26 |
| willPow3r | you'd be better off printing it out and sending it by pony express. | 23:27 |
| kanzure__ | That's what I'm doing. | 23:28 |
| kanzure__ | Boston Fab Lab sent me a 1 TB hdd. | 23:28 |
| willPow3r | that mobile one? | 23:28 |
| kanzure__ | What do you mean? | 23:28 |
| kanzure__ | The 1 TB hdd is "mobile" in the sense that it is mailable, yes. | 23:28 |
| willPow3r | the mobile fab lab. | 23:28 |
| willPow3r | not the hdd | 23:29 |
| kanzure__ | No. | 23:29 |
| kanzure__ | The one with firm feet in the ground. | 23:29 |
| willPow3r | they sent you a hard drive to upload your docs then send back fedex-style? | 23:30 |
| willPow3r | whats the url to your books dump anyway | 23:31 |
| kanzure__ | http://heybryan.org/books/ | 23:36 |
| kanzure__ | Yes, they sent me a physical hdd. | 23:36 |
| kanzure__ | They ordered something brand-spanking new for me. | 23:36 |
| willPow3r | i bet you feel special. | 23:37 |
| kanzure__ | I dooo. | 23:37 |
| willPow3r | i got a polo shirt from a company once. | 23:38 |
| kanzure__ | http://dhcp-84-253.me.utexas.edu/graph/graph-easy/ <-- Hit the "MAKE" button and then the button that isn't "cancel". Be amazed! | 23:38 |
| willPow3r | cant read the buttons | 23:40 |
| kanzure__ | Browser? | 23:40 |
| willPow3r | firefox 3 | 23:40 |
| kanzure__ | Huh. | 23:40 |
| kanzure__ | Up at the top, right? | 23:40 |
| * kanzure__ leaves | 23:41 | |
| willPow3r | providing screenshot | 23:42 |
| willPow3r | http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/75b3ed85d9.jpg | 23:44 |
| kanzure- | Oh, so it did work | 23:57 |
| kanzure- | Yeah, I know, it doesn't display the bottom two buttons. | 23:57 |
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