| --- Day changed Sat Nov 08 2008 | ||
| willPow3r | looks pretty fucking cool to me | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| gene_ | look at it again | 00:05 |
| gene_ | closer | 00:05 |
| gene_ | when you see it | 00:05 |
| willPow3r | i'll shit brix? | 00:05 |
| gene_ | yeah | 00:05 |
| willPow3r | i don't see anything but potential. what do you see that makes it not-good? | 00:06 |
| willPow3r | you are probably of the camp that newton was stupid because he didn't come up with general relativity. | 00:07 |
| willPow3r | that thought* | 00:07 |
| gene_ | look at it | 00:18 |
| willPow3r | http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE4A676R20081107 and i bet he never played GTA even once | 00:18 |
| gene_ | lemme guess | 00:18 |
| gene_ | enraged antivideogame fanatic raving? | 00:18 |
| willPow3r | lol opposite | 00:18 |
| gene_ | damn | 00:19 |
| gene_ | uh btw | 00:19 |
| gene_ | I want to know what an orange looks like under a microscope | 00:19 |
| gene_ | but I don't have access to a microscope | 00:20 |
| willPow3r | what is it that you're trying to see? | 00:20 |
| willPow3r | the rind or the pulp | 00:23 |
| willPow3r | two technologies that will be essential to understanding brain functionality and the subsequent modeling thereof: image compression and knowledge mapping | 00:30 |
| kanzure_ | No. | 00:34 |
| kanzure_ | Knowledge mapping might not quite be what you think it is. Think of it as tradeable regions of brain, but only within a context of the original brain that it was in. | 00:35 |
| kanzure_ | This goes down the dark side to philosophy, so I'll avoid. | 00:36 |
| willPow3r | no no. image compression combined with knowledge mapping. | 00:36 |
| kanzure_ | Sorry, but your knowledge mapping will just be silly 'tagging', and that's Not Right. | 00:36 |
| willPow3r | you are so quick to shoot down ideas. | 00:36 |
| kanzure_ | Haven't you and I talked about this before? | 00:37 |
| willPow3r | you'll see, when i take over the world | 00:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/bookmarking.html | 00:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/buildingbrains.html | 00:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/humancortex.html | 00:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/egan.html | 00:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/thinking.html (ok, this is less relevant than the others there.) | 00:37 |
| * willPow3r bows down. | 00:38 | |
| kanzure_ | You're not going to read them? | 00:38 |
| willPow3r | i'll grab a 64 oz of coffee from 7-11 and read them tonight. | 00:38 |
| willPow3r | right now i'm checking out http://labspace.open.ac.uk/ | 00:39 |
| willPow3r | to see if there's anything worthwhile in there | 00:39 |
| kanzure_ | I'm quick to shoot them down because I've been going over this stuff for so long now. I mean, what other reasons would I have for being verbose about ideas for brain engineering if I _haven't_ thought about the knowledge issues before? | 00:40 |
| kanzure_ | Maybe I'm just making it all up, right? | 00:40 |
| kanzure_ | Bah. Nevermind. | 00:41 |
| * kanzure_ goes away. | 00:41 | |
| willPow3r | i'll look over those links in a bit and see if i can come up w/ anything u may have missed | 00:41 |
| willPow3r | i see your point though. | 00:41 |
| kanzure_ | I link to them all the time, you've never seen them? | 00:41 |
| willPow3r | nope | 00:42 |
| willPow3r | i've been out of vyvanse for some time now, so pretty much everything is "tl;dr" | 00:43 |
| willPow3r | mega add mode over here ;) | 00:43 |
| kanzure_ | I know the feeling. | 00:43 |
| willPow3r | you should put abstracts on the top of each of these pages | 00:50 |
| willPow3r | kanzure_ ^^ | 00:50 |
| kanzure_ | Probably. | 00:53 |
| kanzure_ | Huh. Who is "Majunior"? | 00:57 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: How's the new kernel? | 01:09 |
| fenn | same | 01:09 |
| fenn | yosh | 01:13 |
| fenn | lappy has no hardware opengl acceleration, and server decided to install/run the -486 kernel instead of -686 for some reason, so when i tried to play with some demos from quelsolaar.com nvidia pooped out because they only make -686 binaries | 01:14 |
| kanzure_ | mesa layer? | 01:14 |
| fenn | too slow | 01:14 |
| fenn | there's lots of lighting tricks, that's sort of the whole point | 01:15 |
| fenn | ahh it's great to be on a real computer again | 01:18 |
| kanzure_ | server? | 01:19 |
| fenn | nothing special, but with 1GB ram most of the filesystem is cached | 01:19 |
| fenn | lappy has 256MB and constantly thrashes | 01:19 |
| willPow3r | wow. reminds me of 2002 | 01:20 |
| kanzure_ | My laptop is /from/ 2002. | 01:22 |
| willPow3r | as is my older one. | 01:22 |
| willPow3r | all 8 lbs of it | 01:23 |
| kanzure_ | What am I doing? | 01:23 |
| fenn | mine's from about 2000 i think (latitude l400) | 01:24 |
| willPow3r | decent machine for it's time | 01:25 |
| fenn | i have this plastic seafood container inventory system, i'm procrastinating on a project to build a computer into one of those, as a sort of portable computer but not as custom/non-commoditized as a laptop | 01:25 |
| fenn | it has 2GB ram so i wonder if i even need a hard disk | 01:26 |
| fenn | sub-goal is to make it totally fanless | 01:26 |
| willPow3r | ram isn't flash | 01:27 |
| fenn | yes i know, the idea is to run it from PXE and then mount NFS root and home | 01:28 |
| willPow3r | oh right | 01:28 |
| fenn | but i'd probably stick a CF card in there just in case | 01:28 |
| fenn | there are these 5W 1TB drives on sale.. oh the agony of poverty! | 01:29 |
| kanzure_ | Want one? | 01:29 |
| kanzure_ | Remember, I made an announcement that there's now project money for our things here. | 01:30 |
| fenn | you did? what does that mean exactly? | 01:30 |
| kanzure_ | That means I'm loaded and bleeding cash. | 01:30 |
| fenn | *gulp* | 01:30 |
| kanzure_ | except I have an aversion to buying things | 01:30 |
| * fenn shakes kanzure's hand | 01:30 | |
| kanzure_ | which makes for an odd situation | 01:30 |
| fenn | i've got a few bridges i need to buy | 01:30 |
| willPow3r | well there buddy | 01:30 |
| kanzure_ | Heh, not that loaded :) | 01:30 |
| kanzure_ | Wait, what type of bridge? | 01:31 |
| willPow3r | lol | 01:31 |
| kanzure_ | Bridge bridge, the type that you don't want to break, or a PCI-bridge? | 01:31 |
| fenn | the kind with lots of rivets | 01:31 |
| kanzure_ | Grooves? | 01:32 |
| kanzure_ | Guitar bridge? | 01:32 |
| fenn | it's just a saying | 01:32 |
| * fenn wikis | 01:32 | |
| willPow3r | think I-35W through minneapolis | 01:32 |
| fenn | References to "selling the Brooklyn Bridge" abound in American culture, sometimes as examples of rural gullibility but more often in connection with an idea that strains credulity. | 01:33 |
| fenn | so.. yeah | 01:33 |
| kanzure_ | I think you've used it wrong. | 01:34 |
| willPow3r | incredulity in reference to the anchorage bridge courtesy ted stevens | 01:34 |
| willPow3r | well, yeah. nm | 01:37 |
| fenn | so, here's the dooley: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136151 | 01:40 |
| fenn | if you want to send me a present i'll happily accept | 01:40 |
| kanzure_ | I'm thinking "project money". Hard drives are projects I guess, but ;-) maybe there's something higher on our lists. I don't have these lists though. | 01:41 |
| willPow3r | what projects are available to be worked on? | 01:41 |
| willPow3r | need a manager? | 01:41 |
| fenn | i have lots of projects but they were all carefully designed to require very little money | 01:42 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: Right. | 01:42 |
| kanzure_ | Transitioning to the university life style is kind of weird for me actually, | 01:42 |
| * fenn needs a project queueing system | 01:42 | |
| kanzure_ | because suddenly I have all sorts of resources and cash | 01:42 |
| fenn | oh right, that's why i was working on SKDB in the first place.. so i knew which projects needed which other projects | 01:43 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: The problem I have with todo queueing is that when a task pops up, I get the idea to go rather do something else | 01:43 |
| fenn | yak shaving to infinity and beyond! | 01:43 |
| kanzure_ | indeed :( | 01:43 |
| kanzure_ | Come to think of it, where would I find myself a yak anyway? | 01:44 |
| kanzure_ | So re: uni life. All of these careful designs that don't require money and so on, quickly become pretty worthless. | 01:44 |
| fenn | yeah, unless you happen to be trying to make a fucking difference in the rest of the world | 01:45 |
| kanzure_ | Now it's just a matter of convincing people to give you access to certain tools, most of which I've not bothered to think about my first time around in all of the thoughtspaces, simply because I was going for careful cheap designs | 01:45 |
| fenn | *cough* fab@home bah | 01:45 |
| kanzure_ | He mentioned fab@home. "10 million downloads. Chocolate!" and a few other taglines. | 01:45 |
| fenn | 10 million bot hits maybe | 01:45 |
| kanzure_ | :) | 01:45 |
| fenn | i seriously doubt there's more than 100k "makers" on the net | 01:46 |
| kanzure_ | No doubt. | 01:51 |
| kanzure_ | Sometimes the money in these projects is used as a buffer for not understanding things. | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | which is awkward; I don't know how research is done like this, but whatever | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | Now I'm just ranting. | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | willPow3r: Not really. What I do need is somebody to go and kill those people who say they will do parts of projects but then never do. | 01:53 |
| kanzure_ | And so on.' | 01:53 |
| willPow3r | can you get project funding for that to cover my fees? | 01:53 |
| kanzure_ | For killing people? Not really. | 01:54 |
| fenn | i think the goal is for it to become part of public policy, rather than the actual killing | 01:54 |
| willPow3r | i take two classes and dont work. give me something to do | 01:54 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: "it" ? | 01:54 |
| fenn | "it" = for somebody to go and kill "those" people :) | 01:55 |
| kanzure_ | willPow3r: Really? Would you please go fetch me all circuit diagrams for rTMS circuits from http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/ | 01:55 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: I don't know what you're talking about :-/ | 01:55 |
| fenn | eh nevermind | 01:55 |
| kanzure_ | I'm also not thinking straight at the moment. | 01:55 |
| willPow3r | kanzure_, u really need to do something about your upload speed | 02:31 |
| kanzure_ | What is it at? | 02:31 |
| willPow3r | these docs take for-freaking-evar to d/load | 02:31 |
| kanzure_ | The HTML documents? | 02:31 |
| kanzure_ | WTF? | 02:31 |
| willPow3r | they're pdfs | 02:31 |
| kanzure_ | I get up to 8 MB/sec down sometimes, so they must be sticking it to me with my up. | 02:32 |
| willPow3r | why can't u just get hosting for like, $4/month from godaddy | 02:33 |
| willPow3r | fast upload | 02:33 |
| kanzure_ | Do they give me SSH and dedicated hosting? | 02:33 |
| willPow3r | dedicated hosting yes | 02:33 |
| willPow3r | http://help.godaddy.com/article/135 | 02:34 |
| willPow3r | so yes to both | 02:34 |
| willPow3r | seems like a justifiable expense too, although i'm sure that u could get a university dedicated host too | 02:35 |
| kanzure_ | Why are you refusing to type out "you"? | 02:36 |
| willPow3r | i use txt a lot on my cell and u is a lot easier to use than you | 02:36 |
| willPow3r | if you don't understand "u" i can type the whole thing out if you would like. | 02:36 |
| willPow3r | but i suppose it does seem like it isn't a choice word to shorten, considering i'm only removing two characters | 02:38 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychomotor_retardation | 02:39 |
| -!- percent_ is now known as jihad | 02:56 | |
| -!- jihad is now known as jihaad | 02:56 | |
| kanzure_ | Oh, maybe it's something like expected return on bookfetching. | 03:15 |
| gene_ | you there kanzure? | 05:33 |
| gene_ | it's about the special polymerase kanzure | 06:46 |
| gene_ | http://blogs.zdnet.com/emergingtech/?p=1062 | 06:47 |
| gene_ | HELLO EVERYONE | 06:59 |
| gene_ | ANYONE AWAKE | 06:59 |
| gene_ | LOL NO | 06:59 |
| gene_ | HEY EVERYONE | 07:06 |
| gene_ | HAVE YOU EVER TRIED CLONE MEAT? | 07:07 |
| gene_ | TRY CLONE MEAT TODAY! | 07:07 |
| bkero | Mmm meat | 07:29 |
| willPow3r | that protein paste stuff is good | 07:31 |
| willPow3r | gu | 07:31 |
| UtopiahGHML | Music & DNA http://web.archive.org/web/20011213235946/www-ks.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/people/schulz/fmusic/dna.html | 10:05 |
| UtopiahGHML | http://www.socialsignal.com/image/the-meeting-kind-of-went-downhill-from-there | 13:11 |
| kanzure_ | UtopiahGHML: Re: & music. I have some stuff on /books/ about making bacteria generate music and streaming it to a blog or whatever. | 13:27 |
| kanzure_ | Uhhh | 13:41 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.thevenusproject.com/ | 13:42 |
| kanzure_ | Are those designs downloadable? | 13:42 |
| kanzure_ | Or are they just bullshitting us? | 13:42 |
| UtopiahGHML | cool idea, the cell's blog | 13:42 |
| UtopiahGHML | have you seen it in Zeitgests Adendum? | 13:42 |
| kanzure_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacque_Fresco <- Holy crap, it's an actual person, hrm. | 13:43 |
| kanzure_ | Do the planes fly and do the machines actually work? | 13:44 |
| UtopiahGHML | never tried them myself so... | 13:44 |
| kanzure_ | "VIrtuSphere". Heh. | 14:44 |
| willPow3r_ | venus project eh? | 21:03 |
| kanzure_ | Looks like an old man getting carried away with the ability to draw large objects, and then go buy plastic to make it | 21:03 |
| willPow3r_ | its definitely reminiscent of the jetsons | 21:04 |
| kanzure_ | Heh. | 21:04 |
| willPow3r_ | other than the obvious art deco styling of this new culture, is there anything groundbreaking in it? | 21:04 |
| kanzure_ | Nope. But there might be this small chance that he actually knows what he's doing and that he might have schematics for the machinery he has in those pictures. | 21:05 |
| kanzure_ | Very small chance. | 21:05 |
| willPow3r_ | too many photo galleries | 21:06 |
| fenn | you should ask eric hunting, apparently he's been following jacques fresco for decades | 21:07 |
| willPow3r_ | i wonder if you can make donations of negative values of money. | 21:08 |
| fenn | personally i'm tired of "designers" | 21:09 |
| willPow3r_ | dont all singularitarians fall under that category? | 21:10 |
| kanzure_ | the programs don't seem to do much but geometry, which even then is more a matter of the machine shop doing its job than it is of the CAD app | 21:10 |
| kanzure_ | unless you mean the people, who don't seem to do much other than keep trade secrets | 21:11 |
| kanzure_ | "Designers" doesn't make sense anyway. There's only a finite number of ways that matter and energy is going to be converted from one form to another. The rest is just aesthetics and making things fit together in the same way. | 21:24 |
| UtopiahGHML | What tangible did he make so far? | 21:33 |
| kanzure_ | An amusement park. | 21:33 |
| UtopiahGHML | any working tool or just plans to make tools one day? | 21:33 |
| UtopiahGHML | is it more brain washing than Disney? | 21:33 |
| kanzure_ | Perhaps not. | 21:35 |
| kanzure_ | Interesting: http://www.boringguys.com/2008/06/06/obama-and-mccain-website-technology/ <- The Obama campaign websites were running LAMP, McCain was running IIS/.NET. Funny. | 22:14 |
| UtopiahGHML | Southpark last episode on Obama and McCain conspiracy http://allsp.com/l.php?id=e179 | 22:16 |
| kanzure_ | Down rates on my other box are looking close to 10 for the past two days. Guesses? | 22:28 |
| kanzure_ | KB/sec. Not MB. | 22:30 |
| UtopiahGHML | well now that you have a democrat president, don't expect the same efficiency. | 22:34 |
| kanzure_ | ? | 22:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | more seriously if you want to study packets you can use WireShark | 22:36 |
| UtopiahGHML | also if you have a good ISP there is maybe an IRC chan on their IRC server | 22:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | with some pro-techies there | 22:37 |
| kanzure_ | I suspect it's from the ISP, not my box. | 22:37 |
| kanzure_ | So they wouldn't be telling me that they're slowing down my speed in my packets. | 22:37 |
| kanzure_ | Nah, the U.S. doesn't have any good ISPs that care to have IRC channels. | 22:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | maybe they changed their QoS policies | 22:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | also if you can make test from different location | 22:38 |
| kanzure_ | Yes, this box is a different location. | 22:41 |
| UtopiahGHML | locations | 22:42 |
| UtopiahGHML | distributed independant test if you can, eventually concurrent too | 22:42 |
| kanzure_ | Of Google? Come on, this is ridiculous. It's safe to assume Google is doing pretty well. | 22:43 |
| kanzure_ | But for the record, on this box it's fine. | 22:43 |
| kanzure_ | Aha. Up to 62. Now it's only 5 hours for dist-upgrade .. | 22:43 |
| willPow3r | did you hear about the presidential rose garden? | 22:51 |
| willPow3r | its being replaced with a watermelon patch in january | 22:52 |
| fenn | your upload has been pretty slow (<5kb/s) for a couple days | 22:52 |
| willPow3r | fenn is right. it makes getting those rTMS circuit diagrams a chore | 22:53 |
| kanzure_ | OpenMFG ? | 23:01 |
| kanzure_ | hm | 23:01 |
| kanzure_ | So when I asked what my up was the other day, none of you said 5 | 23:01 |
| kanzure_ | That's kinda something I need to know | 23:01 |
| kanzure_ | Try now. | 23:02 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/open-rtms/ | 23:02 |
| fenn | up went up to ~50, cool beans | 23:17 |
| xp_prg | hi kanzure, working on the script :> | 23:17 |
| kanzure_ | I think I cut off there for a bit, latest thing I've gotten was fenn's cool beans | 23:18 |
| xp_prg | hi kanzure, working on the script :> | 23:18 |
| kanzure_ | Aw. The lab server is down. | 23:35 |
| kanzure_ | That's odd. There's somebody on slashdot asking for voice recognition software packages because he works under a biological hood for ventillation, and thus can't touch his computer. | 23:38 |
| kanzure_ | I fail to see how wireless keyboards don't solve this problem. | 23:39 |
| kanzure_ | Once they get dirty, treat it as biological waste. What's the problem? | 23:39 |
| fenn | waste disposal :) | 23:39 |
| fenn | also, he probably uses the same comp for general lab stuff | 23:39 |
| UtopiahGHML | shell, VNC, X server, etc... actually give me the access Ill do it for him... | 23:40 |
| UtopiahGHML | talking about voice recognition, any FOSS solution giving good result? | 23:41 |
| UtopiahGHML | didn't test that for a while now | 23:41 |
| fenn | havent tried | 23:41 |
| fenn | i hate talking anyway :) | 23:42 |
| UtopiahGHML | yep but I guess it could be efficient in some situations | 23:43 |
| willPow3r | there are f/oss voice recognition solutions | 23:43 |
| fenn | hopefully it's improved at least a little from macintosh "speakable items menu" in 1995 | 23:43 |
| willPow3r | the vista voice recognition software is actually quite good | 23:44 |
| fenn | does it do dictation? | 23:44 |
| UtopiahGHML | I don't have Vista and Id appreciate some command line interfaces | 23:44 |
| willPow3r | yes, after you "teach" it your voice | 23:44 |
| willPow3r | even using the laptop built-in mic works pretty well | 23:45 |
| UtopiahGHML | can it learn new vocabulary? like buzzwords if you write blog articles | 23:46 |
| willPow3r | yea, very simple interface | 23:46 |
| UtopiahGHML | do you know if "people" are using it? | 23:47 |
| UtopiahGHML | like becoming sth common | 23:47 |
| willPow3r | there are videos of people's frustration with it on youtube | 23:47 |
| willPow3r | but none of these people went though the learning modules | 23:47 |
| UtopiahGHML | blah, people on youtube complain about the earth rotation, it's like a giant distributed psychologist... | 23:47 |
| fenn | stupid earth rotation | 23:48 |
| fenn | it messes up everything | 23:48 |
| fenn | we just need to BLOW UP THE MOON | 23:48 |
| UtopiahGHML | ask Obama, same people think he's the messiat. | 23:48 |
| UtopiahGHML | messiah | 23:48 |
| * UtopiahGHML sometimes hate people. | 23:49 | |
| * UtopiahGHML goes on YouTube to make a video about it with Windows Vista thingy. | 23:49 | |
| willPow3r | so you implicitly love them sometimes too? | 23:49 |
| UtopiahGHML | the part where it's me mainly. | 23:50 |
| willPow3r | lol | 23:50 |
| fenn | oh you're such a narcissist! | 23:50 |
| UtopiahGHML | don't be jealous. | 23:50 |
| willPow3r | ^^ reminiscent of calvin & hobbes | 23:54 |
| kanzure_ | ping\ | 23:55 |
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