| --- Day changed Thu Dec 04 2008 | ||
| kanzure_ | http://www.stallman.org/articles/jinnetic.html Jinnetic engineering | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| kanzure_ | looks like Stallman has a longevity wish going on there. | 00:03 |
| fenn | i think he was just trying to show how people never wish for the right things | 00:14 |
| fenn | or that we're expected to be greedy and selfish | 00:14 |
| kanzure | wait, is Lessig about to become Obama's CTO? | 00:49 |
| bkero | wtf | 00:58 |
| bkero | no | 00:58 |
| bkero | way | 00:58 |
| kanzure | ah, he's just on the suspect list | 00:58 |
| bkero | That's my dream. COuld never happem. | 00:58 |
| bkero | Happen | 00:58 |
| kanzure | Yeah, I'm still kind of freaking out. | 00:58 |
| bkero | If that happens I would actually throw a fancy party. | 00:58 |
| kanzure | I'd fly up to attend it. | 00:59 |
| bkero | If he were actually appointed I would have complete confidence in the administration. | 01:00 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y245ma68BFc&feature=related heh, House or Walter? I need my dose of mad scientists I guess. | 03:17 |
| kanzure_ | it's interesting to see failures | 04:22 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=4714400 | 04:22 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=4710010 heh, ridiculous but works | 04:27 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=4710009 <- I solved this level with a crawler, but this is an interesting idea. | 04:28 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=4710006 train-like apparatus. | 04:29 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=1000000 elegance :( | 04:33 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=1000001 ironically the next one is named "not elegant" | 04:34 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=1000004 haha, "1,000,000th!" | 04:35 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=1000012 took forever | 04:40 |
| xp_prg | help I need a cnc lathe planning animation! | 05:32 |
| kanzure | animation? | 05:35 |
| kanzure | like a GIF? | 05:35 |
| kanzure | or an MPEG? | 05:35 |
| xp_prg | an;ything hurry! | 05:39 |
| kanzure | what is a planning animation? | 05:40 |
| ybit | xp_prg: what time frame are we talking about... how quickly are you wanting this animation? | 05:57 |
| ybit | is there a countdown? | 05:58 |
| ybit | a countdown would help me to find it | 06:01 |
| gene | kanzure we need to talk | 06:01 |
| gene | about the project | 06:01 |
| kanzure | ? | 06:03 |
| gene | yeah link me to the part repositry | 06:03 |
| kanzure | huh? | 06:03 |
| kanzure | the VOICED part repo? | 06:03 |
| gene | I need to dimension the new trigger | 06:03 |
| kanzure | http://repository.designengineeringlab.org/ | 06:03 |
| gene | no | 06:03 |
| kanzure | oh, the me302 stuff | 06:03 |
| gene | for the project | 06:03 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/me302/project/ | 06:03 |
| kanzure | the new trigger is the latest update | 06:05 |
| kanzure | click 'by date' to order the list in terms of when the files were added | 06:05 |
| kanzure | so the latest one would be the .. latest. | 06:06 |
| gene | should I just use the old one | 06:07 |
| kanzure | No, the new one is in there. | 06:07 |
| * ybit has been falling head over heels for ruby this past week | 06:14 | |
| ybit | so far, it hasn't shown me the love back ;) | 06:14 |
| ybit | open rTMS, details. how's it going? | 06:14 |
| ybit | openstim progress is still slow from what i gather | 06:15 |
| kanzure | openstim is dead | 06:15 |
| ybit | and that's the reason | 06:15 |
| ybit | no wone't heard baem | 06:15 |
| kanzure | open rTMS could use some line integral scripts at the moment | 06:15 |
| ybit | back from them* | 06:15 |
| kanzure | to simulate different coils | 06:15 |
| ybit | what's the reason it died? | 06:16 |
| kanzure | People stopped editing the wiki I gather. | 06:17 |
| kanzure | Ed Boyden and Superkuh were the only two that I know behind it that had anything going for either of them. | 06:17 |
| gene | Superku? | 06:18 |
| ybit | he's in #neuroscience iirc | 06:19 |
| kanzure | and everywhere else | 06:19 |
| ybit | i should be idling in more channels now that i have a stable comp. | 06:19 |
| ybit | go me | 06:19 |
| kanzure | Superkuh is "one of us" I guess. | 06:19 |
| kanzure | gene: He had an rTMS setup going at one point. | 06:19 |
| ybit | oi wrldpc. what's been going on w/ you? | 06:20 |
| kanzure | He lives in a basement with a billion monitors and doesn't sleep. | 06:20 |
| ybit | interesting, is this on his blog? | 06:20 |
| gene | oh yeah | 06:20 |
| kanzure | ybit: No. | 06:20 |
| kanzure | http://superkuh.ath.cx/ | 06:20 |
| kanzure | He published his time logs though, and basically he never sleeps. | 06:20 |
| ybit | thanks, i didn't have the link saved | 06:20 |
| kanzure | A ratio of time in a PDF reader to browsing to gaming was like 10000 to 1 :p | 06:21 |
| ybit | sadly, i haven't gamed in over two months. | 06:21 |
| gene | I don't sleep, haven't gamed that much either | 06:22 |
| kanzure | ybit: I'm working on a fantastic contraption clone of sorts, though more as a design-thing than a game-thing. | 06:22 |
| kanzure | So you'll be addicted in no time. | 06:22 |
| ybit | i've been addicted to this transition to a gift culture the past month | 06:23 |
| gene | but I must say one thing if you have an Nvidia graphics card install a stereo driver and get some 3d glasses | 06:23 |
| gene | it will blow your mind | 06:23 |
| ybit | a contraption clone of sorts, do explain or link :) | 06:23 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/fantastic/ | 06:24 |
| ybit | heh, i do have the nvidia card and 3d glasses! | 06:24 |
| kanzure | Check the third screenshot. | 06:24 |
| ybit | ah, i saw a screenshot of this earlier today, what is it.. 2d? what's the use... | 06:24 |
| kanzure | besides hooking you on making useless 2D mechanical linkings? | 06:25 |
| ybit | it reminded me of a hack from some physics game that was release this year | 06:25 |
| kanzure | ? | 06:25 |
| ybit | it was featured on /. | 06:25 |
| ybit | hmm, lemme see if i can find it | 06:26 |
| ybit | phunland.com | 06:26 |
| kanzure | I'll check it out soon. | 06:27 |
| ybit | where's the 3d glory i was promised gene! :) | 06:27 |
| kanzure | 3D is possible, but for some reason I like 2D for starters | 06:27 |
| ybit | maybe my glasses are broken ;) | 06:27 |
| gene | 3d physics is more fun than 2d physics anyday | 06:28 |
| kanzure | not if people suck at navigating 3D cameras | 06:28 |
| gene | are you using red blue 3d glasses? | 06:28 |
| gene | I don't | 06:28 |
| gene | really kanzure you ought to try rigidchips | 06:29 |
| kanzure | I don't know why you think saying it over and over again will make up for the things we discussed earlier | 06:29 |
| gene | btw kanzure you know the ME app server has basically the same thing as that program you wrote except with more components | 06:37 |
| kanzure | which program? | 06:38 |
| gene | real model or something like that | 06:38 |
| kanzure | No, which program of mine | 06:39 |
| gene | the fantastic contraption thing | 06:43 |
| xp_prg | well I met with them | 06:44 |
| kanzure | And? | 06:46 |
| xp_prg | couple of old guys | 06:50 |
| xp_prg | not that impressed really | 06:50 |
| xp_prg | they just didn't grasp what I was saying very well | 06:50 |
| kanzure | I don't know why you were talking with them anyway. | 06:50 |
| kanzure | what were you saying? | 06:51 |
| xp_prg | talking about 3d organism planning via protein dispersion gene expression | 06:51 |
| kanzure | But you don't know how to do that. | 06:51 |
| xp_prg | well nobody does but I'm going to try | 06:51 |
| kanzure | how? | 06:51 |
| xp_prg | prolog inference from 3d position of cells down the dna | 06:52 |
| gene | what | 06:52 |
| gene | is that | 06:52 |
| kanzure | 3D position isn't encoded like that | 06:52 |
| kanzure | look into amorphous computation and you will see. | 06:52 |
| xp_prg | ya it is | 06:52 |
| xp_prg | hedgehog genes control 3d forms | 06:52 |
| kanzure | cells aren't downstream DNA since DNA is within cells in these situations anyway | 06:54 |
| gene | yeah they do | 06:54 |
| kanzure | You mean HoX stuff? | 06:54 |
| xp_prg | kanzure dna controls everything, don't know what your talking about | 06:54 |
| kanzure | well you just told me "prolog inference from 3d position of cells down the dna" | 06:55 |
| kanzure | 3d position of cells down the dna -> cells are not downstream dna | 06:55 |
| xp_prg | kanzure I will infer what the dna is for a cell in 3d space | 06:55 |
| kanzure | what? | 06:55 |
| kanzure | there's no absolute xyz coordinate system in dna | 06:56 |
| xp_prg | nevermind | 06:56 |
| kanzure | again, amorphous computing | 06:56 |
| gene | are you trying to take a 3d model of whatever it is write some DNA put it in cells and get the 3d model made from cells basically? | 06:56 |
| gene | yup | 06:56 |
| xp_prg | yes gene | 06:56 |
| kanzure | how are you doing this without an absolute coordinate system | 06:57 |
| xp_prg | geospatial protein cascades | 06:57 |
| gene | why use a coordinate system | 06:57 |
| gene | or wait | 06:57 |
| kanzure | gene: because he's claiming he knows how to put things in certain locations | 06:57 |
| kanzure | certain means 'defined' | 06:57 |
| kanzure | as in, coords | 06:57 |
| gene | maybe signal concentration for a source is a coordinate system | 06:58 |
| kanzure | well, what one group at MIT did was something kind of like that | 06:58 |
| kanzure | it was called a gradient programming language | 06:58 |
| xp_prg | kanzure wow really?! | 06:58 |
| xp_prg | where is that?! | 06:58 |
| kanzure | but the problem is that you can't send that many bits | 06:58 |
| xp_prg | is that opensource? | 06:58 |
| kanzure | and so it's useless | 06:58 |
| kanzure | no | 06:58 |
| kanzure | because they're jerks | 06:58 |
| xp_prg | lame | 06:59 |
| kanzure | well it also doesn't work | 06:59 |
| xp_prg | gene knows what I want to do | 06:59 |
| kanzure | oh, I know what you want to do | 06:59 |
| kanzure | but I'm not convinced it works | 06:59 |
| kanzure | remember, this was my summer research grant | 06:59 |
| gene | output signal molecules at one point signals decrease as with distance from the source by inverse square law | 06:59 |
| kanzure | sure. | 06:59 |
| gene | so then what happens when you have multiple sources | 07:00 |
| gene | they modify the coordinate system | 07:00 |
| kanzure | I still don't understand how you're assuming you're able to differentiate from directionality at a single node | 07:01 |
| kanzure | that's usually what they try to do, where there's some sort of 'chemotaxis' going in one direction | 07:01 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Amorphous_computation | 07:01 |
| xp_prg | kanzure its the exact same way gps positioning works *sigh* | 07:02 |
| kanzure | gps uses an exact coordinate system | 07:02 |
| kanzure | biology does not. | 07:02 |
| gene | well I wouldn't count on using exact coordinates | 07:02 |
| xp_prg | yes it does | 07:02 |
| kanzure | wtf? proof? | 07:03 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Coordination | 07:03 |
| kanzure_ | see my notes on chemical axial positioning systems | 07:03 |
| gene | the only thing you can get in a single source system is distance from source | 07:04 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.swiss.csail.mit.edu/projects/amorphous/papers/aim1665.pdf | 07:04 |
| gene | and your distance sensors are noisy | 07:04 |
| willPow3r | http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=4716788 | 07:05 |
| willPow3r | fuck yeah | 07:05 |
| gene | no the correct meme is: | 07:06 |
| kanzure | willPow3r: Is that you? | 07:06 |
| gene | seaking fuck yeah! | 07:06 |
| willPow3r | yep | 07:06 |
| kanzure | Nice. | 07:07 |
| gene | that's what I was trying to make in real life | 07:07 |
| kanzure | clearly biological systems are constructing 3D shapes, but this is from algorithms embedded in protein physics and signal reactions, not necessarily a directly analytical programming API | 07:09 |
| kanzure | although I'm sure it would be nice to imagine that you could just ask a bacterial cell to nicely please would you be so kind as to turn into a giant starship | 07:10 |
| kanzure | nothing wrong with evolutionary computation of course | 07:10 |
| xp_prg | kanzure the instructions exist in the dna | 07:11 |
| xp_prg | they execute with proteins | 07:12 |
| gene | yeah | 07:12 |
| kanzure | it's not one to one .. | 07:12 |
| gene | but it ain't like GPS | 07:12 |
| kanzure | sigh | 07:12 |
| kanzure | well at least gene's with me on this one. | 07:13 |
| xp_prg | gene knows what I am saying | 07:13 |
| xp_prg | explain it to him gene | 07:13 |
| kanzure | haha | 07:13 |
| gene | I do know what he is saying | 07:14 |
| kanzure | sure, so do I | 07:14 |
| kanzure | but that doesn't mean it's right .. | 07:14 |
| gene | figure out the steps necessary to make a 3d shape using software | 07:14 |
| kanzure | right, but it's not linear like that | 07:14 |
| gene | yeah it isn't | 07:15 |
| kanzure | in dna and biological systems | 07:15 |
| gene | that's the point | 07:15 |
| kanzure | xp_prg seems to be saying it is | 07:15 |
| gene | read pharyngula more Kanzure and you might understand | 07:16 |
| kanzure | sure, I read the blog | 07:16 |
| kanzure_ | http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/a_brief_overview_of_hox_genes/ is the classic. | 07:17 |
| gene | some shapes might be impossible to make with bio | 07:18 |
| kanzure | that's what you would think about origami for instance, and then *bam* Lang happened to the worl | 07:18 |
| kanzure | *world | 07:19 |
| kanzure | of course there are forms that you can prove to be topologically impossible I guess | 07:19 |
| kanzure | but that's not interesting to me at the moment. | 07:19 |
| gene | very hard to do might be a better word than impossible | 07:19 |
| kanzure | no, there are >3 dimensional topological/geometric structures that are proven to be nonexistent in formal topology | 07:20 |
| gene | ok | 07:20 |
| gene | hmmm.... | 07:21 |
| gene | making a 3d model to meat program might involve weird higher dimensional math | 07:21 |
| gene | can I transfer files over IRC? | 07:24 |
| gene | to you? | 07:24 |
| kanzure | yes, but please don't | 07:24 |
| kanzure | it's called 'direct connect' | 07:24 |
| kanzure | email would be good | 07:25 |
| kanzure | I'm off to sleep. | 07:25 |
| gene | why sleep? | 07:25 |
| gene | WHOA! WTF did they do to my trigger! | 07:28 |
| gene | WE ARE NOT USING THE REVISED TRIGGER AT ALL! | 07:29 |
| gene | just finished the trigger model | 07:29 |
| gene | the other trigger just looks wrong | 07:31 |
| gene | screw it I'm doing the revised one too | 07:37 |
| gene | dimensions are better | 07:37 |
| -!- percent is now known as jihaaad | 07:44 | |
| willPow3r | http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=4718363 | 10:23 |
| willPow3r | this game is sick | 10:23 |
| UtopiahGHML | willPow3r: looks like PHUN | 10:25 |
| UtopiahGHML | (cf http://www.phunland.com/ ) | 10:26 |
| kanzure | phunland doesn't count since it had me reinstall xorg, nvidia, sdl and all sorts of other crap just to get my own crappy lineart | 13:45 |
| willPow3r | phun graphics suck pretty bad | 14:05 |
| wrldpc | howdy ybit. | 14:19 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=1000031 <- Can somebody explain this? How does this work? | 14:46 |
| kanzure_ | yeah so uh | 14:49 |
| kanzure_ | my point: | 14:49 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6606 "the elephant walker" | 14:49 |
| kanzure_ | that doesn't look exactly like a theo jansen | 14:49 |
| kanzure_ | oh, I guess since it has motors it doesn't count anyway | 14:49 |
| kanzure_ | but still interesting. | 14:49 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=3508 a crane] | 14:51 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=8402 | 14:52 |
| kanzure_ | how do people have this much time? | 14:52 |
| * bkero just ordered a beagle :D | 14:53 | |
| kanzure_ | the phone, the dog, or a misspelled breakfast? | 14:53 |
| bkero | None of the above | 14:55 |
| bkero | http://www.beagleboard.org/ | 14:56 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=37164 another walker | 14:59 |
| kanzure_ | http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=54140 this too is needlessly complicated. A launcher for the stairstep level. | 15:03 |
| -!- UtopiahGHML is now known as needtologonwitha | 16:16 | |
| -!- needtologonwitha is now known as UtopiahGHML | 16:17 | |
| -!- UtopiahGHML is now known as Imustbetired | 16:24 | |
| -!- Imustbetired is now known as UtopiahGHML | 16:29 | |
| kanzure_- | Hello. | 18:15 |
| xp_prg | hola | 18:19 |
| kanzure_- | Como estas? | 18:23 |
| xp_prg | bien y tu? | 18:23 |
| xp_prg | I don't like the guys I met last night | 18:24 |
| bkero | muy mal, mi madre es loco en su cabeza | 18:24 |
| kanzure_- | en que cabeza es tu pantelones de gato grande? | 18:25 |
| kanzure_- | *estar? | 18:26 |
| bkero | mi cabeza | 18:26 |
| xp_prg | kanzure_- do you know any good software to help me visualize protein gradient diffusion in 3d? | 18:31 |
| kanzure_- | mcell | 18:32 |
| kanzure_- | http://www.mcell.psc.edu/ | 18:32 |
| kanzure_- | "Cells are tightly packed with structures and molecules that carry out the day-to-day operations of living. Understanding how cellular design dictates function is essential to understanding life and disease, in the brain, heart, or elsewhere. MCell (Monte Carlo cell) is a program that uses spatially realistic 3-D cellular models and specialized Monte Carlo algorithms to simulate the... | 18:32 |
| kanzure_- | ...movements and reactions of molecules within and between cells--cellular microphysiology." | 18:32 |
| xp_prg | wow cool | 18:34 |
| xp_prg | too bad its not gpld | 18:34 |
| kanzure_- | uh let me get something else | 19:30 |
| kanzure_- | drat. | 19:33 |
| kanzure_- | xp_prg: I'll get you something when I get back home. I don't have my bookmarks. | 19:34 |
| kanzure_- | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Computational_biology | 19:34 |
| kanzure_- | but that's my list if you want to check it out | 19:34 |
| kanzure_- | I don't know which ones are the protein simulators though | 19:34 |
| kanzure_- | http://dev.e-cell.org/ | 19:35 |
| xp_prg | do they accept sbml? | 19:37 |
| kanzure_- | Not many will. If you want something to play with SBML, you'll get better luck looking at sbml.org. | 19:40 |
| kanzure_- | or writing your own file converter | 19:40 |
| kanzure | Hello. | 21:05 |
| kanzure | Just got back from a talk from the head of Berkeley's Sensor and Actuator Center. | 21:05 |
| kanzure | 150 nm features via chitosan & 5 psi via injection molding and pressing (nanoimprinting) | 21:06 |
| kanzure | including effective organic FETs :-) :-) | 21:06 |
| kanzure | this could be done in a water bottle.. | 21:06 |
| kanzure_ | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/hydrovortices.zip some papers on the CFD of hydrodynamic vortices | 21:13 |
| kanzure_ | http://wiki.fsfe.org/Free-PDF-Readers-Campaign "This page will contain information and instructions concerning our compaign to promote free PDF-Viewers! So what is the plan? You know all those Pages reading sth. like: "The files offered on this site are in the Adobe PDF-Format. To view them you must download the Adobe Acrobat Reader." ? Well, we want them to change the wording and put a second Button beside the Adobebutton which links to www.pdfreader | 21:23 |
| kanzure_ | pdfreaders.org | 21:23 |
| kanzure_ | http://gittorrent.utsl.gen.nz/rfc.html 'This document describes the GitTorrent Protocol version 0.1, referred to as "GTP/0.1". The GitTorrent Protocol (GTP) is a protocol for collaborative git repository distribution across the Internet. It is best classified as a peer-to-peer (P2P) protocol, although it also contains centralized elements.' | 22:29 |
| fenn | surfing in circles i see | 22:31 |
| fenn | debtorrent is really much more urgent\ | 22:32 |
| kanzure_ | opera is closed, no flash is running, why do I hear fantasticcontraption | 22:48 |
| kanzure_ | killall -9 operapluginwrapper did it. huh. | 22:52 |
| kanzure | Hi cis-action. | 23:03 |
| cis-action | salud | 23:05 |
| drazak | nice | 23:09 |
| -!- cis-action is now known as mac_cowell | 23:22 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.0.dev0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!