| --- Day changed Fri Dec 05 2008 | ||
| ybit | bkero: you said something about full faith if some guy is appointed under obama? | 00:03 |
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| ybit | did you guys forget about him appointing the sexist summers? | 00:03 |
| ybit | can't say i have full faith in any government with the head getting advice from a sexist | 00:06 |
| ybit | but he did backtrack, so i shouldn't call him that | 00:09 |
| fenn | ybit: did you actually read what summers said? | 00:10 |
| ybit | yeah | 00:11 |
| ybit | no scientific basis | 00:11 |
| fenn | anyway, is it so unusual for a presidential candidate to take advice from the president of harvard? | 00:12 |
| fenn | oo, and he was secretary of treasury under clinton | 00:13 |
| ybit | yep, i knew that as well | 00:15 |
| bkero | ybit: Lawrence Lessig | 00:28 |
| bkero | Also, I'm staring at a reprap right now | 00:28 |
| fenn | /me scowls at bkero | 00:31 |
| kanzure_ | organic transistors pressed in a water bottle | 00:35 |
| kanzure_ | come on .. that has to be exciting to at least a few of you | 00:35 |
| bkero | fenn: :P | 00:36 |
| bkero | fenn: Nothing wrong with the reprap. The self | 00:36 |
| bkero | self-replicating hubajoo is half correct, but mises the mark. :P | 00:36 |
| fenn | i'm just scowling because you have a reprap and i dont | 00:36 |
| bkero | lol I see | 00:37 |
| bkero | I wonder if a reprap has ever made anything besides itself. | 00:37 |
| kanzure_ | it has never made itself | 00:37 |
| bkero | I wonder if it has ever machined parts to construct a replica of itself. | 00:38 |
| kanzure_ | From what I recall, machining isn't the issue | 00:38 |
| fenn | reprap cant machine anything either | 00:39 |
| kanzure_ | well, right, but I don't recall machining being a requirement to make a reprap | 00:39 |
| fenn | hmm | 00:39 |
| kanzure_ | unless you count the electronics, which may or may not require machining in its dependency chain | 00:39 |
| * bkero wouldn't know, haven't made one. | 00:39 | |
| bkero | It is one of my plans to make a 5 dimension CNC mill | 00:40 |
| fenn | why 5 axis? | 00:40 |
| bkero | For some of my modeled objects, a 4-dimension compatible toolpath won't cut it | 00:40 |
| bkero | I could run it in 4 dimension, but I'd need to rotate and calibrate halfway through. | 00:41 |
| fenn | i'm curious what sort of objects you're making that require 5 axes | 00:41 |
| kanzure_ | heh | 00:41 |
| bkero | A miniature cylinder head | 00:42 |
| fenn | how is that impossible with 4? | 00:43 |
| fenn | or do you think you're going to do it all in one setup? (hah) | 00:43 |
| bkero | The valve bores aren't straight | 00:44 |
| kanzure | Valve in a cylinder? | 00:44 |
| kanzure | or is this a cylindrical tip for a mill that you want to make with your 5-axle cncer? | 00:44 |
| bkero | Valve above the cylinder. Cylinder head for an itnernal combustion engine | 00:45 |
| * kanzure does a happy dance. box2d approved for "research purposes" haha | 00:46 | |
| fenn | so uh, if the valves aren't perpendicular to the axis of the camshaft.. blah whatever | 00:46 |
| * fenn wishes bkero the best on his CNC adventure | 00:47 | |
| bkero | I'm at the phase of getting a manual mill, and aquiring stepper motors. | 00:47 |
| bkero | I'm working on my beagleboard wearable computer first | 00:47 |
| fenn | what mill are you looking at? | 00:47 |
| kanzure | watchya think about the chitosan 150 nm nanoimprinting stuff, fenn? | 00:47 |
| bkero | $150 number from harbor freight | 00:47 |
| fenn | wah! you stealing all my projects now or what? | 00:47 |
| fenn | beagleboard.. | 00:47 |
| bkero | fenn: I ordered a beagleboard, myvu crystals, built a battery pack already, and got a gpio bluetooth controller | 00:48 |
| kanzure | I'd do a wearable if I actually knew how to make the wearable component. fenn showed me a helmet mask that might be retrofitted to do the monocular view, but I'm still skeptical on that one | 00:48 |
| bkero | I'm currently trying to source miniature bluetooht half keyboards that I can strap to my leg. | 00:48 |
| kanzure | haha | 00:48 |
| bkero | kanzure: http://www.myvu.com look at the crystals | 00:48 |
| kanzure | bkero: did you get that from us? | 00:48 |
| bkero | 640x480, vga input | 00:48 |
| kanzure | the half kb strapon | 00:48 |
| kanzure | idea. | 00:49 |
| bkero | kanzure: No, I got that from the cowboy bebop movie, a couple years ago and somehow dredged it up | 00:49 |
| fenn | is this the mill you're getting? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47158 | 00:49 |
| kanzure | fenn: maybe we were both getting that from the bebop movie? | 00:49 |
| kanzure | bkero: why do you want full glasses? | 00:49 |
| bkero | kanzure: Because they're $300, and I know they work, and they're a good resolution | 00:49 |
| bkero | Ideally I'd want a HUD I can see through | 00:49 |
| kanzure | but they're full glasses .. | 00:49 |
| bkero | But that seems to be out of my budget | 00:49 |
| fenn | kanzure: i never saw the cowboy bebop movie (well, i saw the first five minutes) | 00:49 |
| kanzure | maybe it was in the first five minutes | 00:50 |
| kanzure | however, I've never seen it, so nevermind :) | 00:50 |
| bkero | The similarity was the thigh-mounted halfkeyboards | 00:50 |
| kanzure | hah, I just got it | 00:50 |
| kanzure | "kb strapon" | 00:50 |
| bkero | Have you guys sourced another HUD? | 00:51 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:51 |
| kanzure | it was on hackaday a year ago | 00:51 |
| fenn | the private eye? | 00:51 |
| fenn | that's been out of production for decades | 00:51 |
| kanzure | no, the private-eye was somebody else | 00:52 |
| kanzure | but something like it would be awesome. | 00:52 |
| kanzure | (with better resolution of course ..) | 00:52 |
| fenn | why is VGA "highest resolution" in 2008? | 00:52 |
| kanzure_ | http://hackaday.com/2007/10/07/25-head-mounted-display/ | 00:52 |
| kanzure_ | http://jakeofalltrades.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/25-head-mounted-display/ | 00:52 |
| fenn | srsly.. am i the only person who ever thought of putting DLP chips in HUD glasses? | 00:52 |
| kanzure_ | wait, this might be the wrong one | 00:52 |
| kanzure_ | if it's not the monocle it's wrong | 00:53 |
| bkero | Fairly low ersolution :/ | 00:53 |
| bkero | Although absurdly cheap | 00:53 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.i-glassesstore.com/ig-hrvpro.html | 00:53 |
| kanzure_ | screw it, just get the mount | 00:54 |
| kanzure_ | "$1,299" haha (on that last link) | 00:54 |
| bkero | Yea | 00:54 |
| kanzure_ | and then replace it with a screen from a cell phone | 00:54 |
| bkero | The myvus are vga+svideo in, and 640x480 | 00:54 |
| bkero | Although I would really prefer something I could see through. | 00:54 |
| fenn | 1.44 Million Pixels!!!11 | 00:54 |
| kanzure_ | [LH-GVD310A] for $130 | 00:55 |
| kanzure_ | hrm | 00:55 |
| bkero | ??? | 00:55 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/video-headset-30-inches-2m-away-full-colour-av-interface/ | 00:55 |
| kanzure_ | 30 inch screen? wtf? | 00:56 |
| bkero | A name like chinavision scares the shit out of me | 00:56 |
| kanzure_ | I read it first as 'china invasion' | 00:56 |
| fenn | it's actually chinavasion | 00:56 |
| kanzure_ | hah | 00:56 |
| kanzure_ | three different interpretations | 00:56 |
| bkero | I've had one beer and am hopped up on hacking endorphins from being at NYC Resistor. | 00:57 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.philoneist.com/50226711/wearable_ipod_headset_displays_video.php | 00:58 |
| kanzure_ | oh look | 00:58 |
| kanzure_ | it's not a visor? | 00:58 |
| kanzure_ | that looks like a monocular display to me | 00:58 |
| kanzure_ | 'EyeBuds' | 00:58 |
| bkero | lol | 01:00 |
| * fenn yawns | 01:00 | |
| fenn | another stupid looking head mount display | 01:00 |
| fenn | the way i see it, there's two use cases | 01:00 |
| fenn | 1) you're in a hard-hat or helmet zone | 01:00 |
| fenn | 2) you're an everyday guy on the street and dont want 9 zillion people asking you why you're wearing that thing | 01:01 |
| kanzure_ | around here in Austin the majority of us either go naked or with golden ssj2 hair, so it's natural | 01:01 |
| kanzure_ | "According to eMagin, the Eyebud 800 delivers a viewing experience as if viewing a 105-inch screen from 12 feet, offering a 40-degree field of view of whatever is playing for up to 6 hours. Also, the monocle viewing piece can be worn on either the left or right side, " | 01:03 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.infosyncworld.net/resources/products/emagin/emagin_eyebud_800_pt00.jpg | 01:03 |
| kanzure_ | bigger image of that first one | 01:03 |
| kanzure_ | http://igargoyle.com/archives/450ipodscreen_garyjones.jpg | 01:03 |
| fenn | but super saiya armor would be so uncomfortable in the texas heat, and the blue/orange gi + scouter would send a confusing message | 01:03 |
| bkero | Eyebud just sounds painful | 01:03 |
| bkero | I believe everybody would think you were a homosexual. | 01:03 |
| kanzure_ | ooh | 01:04 |
| fenn | bkero: it might just be the default in austin | 01:04 |
| kanzure_ | http://groups.google.com/group/Wear-Hard | 01:04 |
| kanzure_ | behold | 01:04 |
| kanzure_ | the revival of wear-hard | 01:04 |
| kanzure_ | with lots of spam. Sigh. | 01:04 |
| fenn | wear-hard is dead? | 01:05 |
| fenn | the original i mean | 01:05 |
| kanzure_ | http://igargoyle.com/archives/geowearable.jpg <- what's going on here? It looks like it's on a very flimsy connection behind the ear | 01:05 |
| fenn | that's a microoptical (defunct brand) | 01:09 |
| fenn | it clips on the glasses | 01:09 |
| fenn | just a wire going behind the ear | 01:10 |
| fenn | i think maybe he had some kind of extra wires going to the display for some reason | 01:10 |
| kanzure | I think myvu is doing some false advertizing | 01:11 |
| kanzure | I don't see the monocle on their site | 01:11 |
| kanzure_ | oops, different company | 01:12 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/02/emagins-eyebud-for-the-ipod/ | 01:12 |
| fenn | much prefer this: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20031204/biz2.jpg | 01:14 |
| fenn | (microoptical) | 01:14 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.3dvisor.com/ | 01:14 |
| kanzure | fenn: that's sign of OCD for elegance right there :) | 01:14 |
| fenn | what, not having a big ugly thing strapped to my face? | 01:15 |
| fenn | it's sheer pragmatism, my dear | 01:15 |
| kanzure | argh, even "eyebud" is linking over to their full-visor only | 01:16 |
| fenn | even better would be to just pipe the image up through fiber optics somehow | 01:16 |
| fenn | is there some brick-and-mortar store where you can actually try these things out? | 01:18 |
| fenn | i mean it's not like shopping for a new monitor | 01:18 |
| kanzure | Gary Jones. I'm going to hunt down this bastard. | 01:21 |
| kanzure_ | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/ces/live-from-ces-eyebud-800-146626.php | 01:24 |
| kanzure_ | eyebud 800 supposedly | 01:24 |
| kanzure_ | 24 bit SVGA 800x600 | 01:24 |
| fenn | i wonder where they source the OLED display.. since Osram closed the only(?) OLED factory | 01:27 |
| fenn | er, OLED display factory | 01:27 |
| kanzure | well I can't seem to find where to buy an 'eyebud 800' on the net | 01:28 |
| kanzure | so maybe that answers your question | 01:28 |
| kanzure | when did Osram close? | 01:28 |
| fenn | last year | 01:28 |
| kanzure | that might explain it. | 01:28 |
| fenn | Osram is a lighting company and decided to get out of the display business, so they sold the rights, and it probably just got swept under the rug from there | 01:29 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.nikon.com/about/news/2008/1007_up300_01.htm | 01:30 |
| * kanzure_ bows to Nikon | 01:30 | |
| kanzure_ | $678 price tag | 01:31 |
| kanzure_ | blah | 01:31 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.upstore.jp/ | 01:31 |
| fenn | hmm looks like sony has jumped on the OLED display ride | 01:32 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.upxup.jp/ | 01:33 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.upxup.jp/news/ | 01:33 |
| fenn | $700 isnt bad, relatively speaking | 01:36 |
| fenn | but it's only 640x480 | 01:36 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/21355799@N02/2964777100/ | 01:36 |
| kanzure | I guess I just want the plastic more than anything | 01:36 |
| kanzure | I should be able to source my own microdisplay | 01:37 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.gizmag.com/nikon-media-port-up/10461/ | 01:37 |
| kanzure_ | in fact it looks like it's just a simple mount on the side of headphones | 01:37 |
| kanzure_ | why didn't I think of that | 01:37 |
| fenn | sure, gumstixk would fit in headphones just fine | 01:38 |
| kanzure_ | " | 01:38 |
| kanzure_ | Gumstix develops and sells small, low cost, highly functional Linux computers for rapid product development and production systems." | 01:38 |
| kanzure_ | " | 01:38 |
| kanzure_ | Biologically inspired by the common carp, the robotic, gumstix-driven fish could avoid objects and swim around a specially designed tank entirely of their ." | 01:38 |
| fenn | yes, people with too much money again | 01:39 |
| kanzure_ | Every time on the internet that I find something dropping off in mid-sentence, I inadvertedly imagine the author having a horrible, horrible and untimely death. | 01:39 |
| fenn | or perhaps it's a superhero, slaughtering idiot bloggers and preventing us all from egregious mental harm | 01:40 |
| kanzure | I think this could be solved by a simple hole drilled into the side of a headphone case (remove the speaker first to prevent damage) | 01:40 |
| kanzure | and then a small screw and small washer to mount a plastic piece that extends out and somehow carries the microdisplay | 01:41 |
| fenn | it's more complicated than that, you have to drive this display somehow | 01:41 |
| fenn | (fancy electronics) | 01:41 |
| kanzure | not just some pins from a PIC/AVR/beagle/arduino? | 01:41 |
| kanzure | /parallax? | 01:42 |
| fenn | ugh | 01:42 |
| kanzure | really. | 01:42 |
| kanzure | huh. | 01:42 |
| fenn | parallax = beginner attempt at VLSI | 01:42 |
| kanzure | right right | 01:42 |
| fenn | anyway.. | 01:42 |
| kanzure | but Austinites get free shit for mentioning parallax, so :/ | 01:42 |
| fenn | PIC would be fast enough to do like Atari style graphics | 01:42 |
| kanzure | what, refresh rate ? | 01:43 |
| kanzure | oh, also memory size | 01:43 |
| kanzure | hrm | 01:43 |
| kanzure | not going to do 800x600 on a PIC :) | 01:43 |
| fenn | what you really want is some kind of FPGA to take a regular video signal like HDMI and turn it into whatever weird protocol/signal your display needs | 01:43 |
| fenn | but FPGA's draw a lot of power so better hope it fits in a CPLD | 01:44 |
| kanzure | CPLD? | 01:44 |
| fenn | small FPGA, sorta | 01:44 |
| bkero | Beagles :) | 01:45 |
| bkero | Or arduino | 01:45 |
| kanzure | And what about the 800x600 stuff going on there? | 01:45 |
| kanzure | or greater | 01:45 |
| fenn | what about what? | 01:46 |
| kanzure | on an arduino | 01:46 |
| kanzure | what's the memory size and have people had these things driving video displays? | 01:46 |
| kanzure | at any respectable resolution? | 01:46 |
| fenn | no | 01:46 |
| bkero | Beagle has a 32MB framebuffer, it'll do 1280x1024@32 | 01:46 |
| fenn | arduino has like 128k memory max | 01:46 |
| kanzure | hehe 128k | 01:46 |
| bkero | I'm diong 1680x1050x48 | 01:46 |
| kanzure | 32 MB framebuffer is good | 01:47 |
| kanzure | people used to be able to cheaply pick up 16 MB PCI cards :/ | 01:47 |
| kanzure | to add monitors to a box | 01:47 |
| fenn | beagle could easily output a gazillion pixel display, but you have to figure out how to interface it | 01:47 |
| kanzure | yeah, fancy wiring tricks | 01:47 |
| bkero | kanzure: You can get $25 video cards to add monitors to a box | 01:47 |
| * kanzure remembers back when he was trying to wire up his N64 controller to RS232 | 01:47 | |
| bkero | fenn: It has an HDMI output :) | 01:47 |
| fenn | oh btw beagle has s-video out too, so most pre-built HUD's will work | 01:48 |
| bkero | Yup | 01:48 |
| fenn | i'm gonna wait at least until they release the 256MB RAM beagle | 01:48 |
| kanzure | s-video out too? yay | 01:49 |
| bkero | Rev C is rumoured to have 256 | 01:50 |
| bkero | I really don't need 256 though. 128 is fine for a framebuffer for a terminal | 01:50 |
| bkero | BTW the graphics chipset has 3d accel and h264 accel :) | 01:50 |
| bkero | So it can play 720p | 01:50 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.msefi.com/index.php open fuel injection project | 01:50 |
| bkero | I have a megasquirt running my car | 01:51 |
| kanzure_ | opera:illegal-url-25 | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.open-ecg-project.org, | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.open-ecg-project.org | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | bah | 01:53 |
| kanzure_ | as of Dec 3rd | 01:53 |
| kanzure_ | http://metamodern.com/ Drexler blogs | 02:48 |
| kanzure_ | heh, he mentions Paul Rothemund :) | 02:49 |
| kanzure_ | (hi Paul!) | 02:49 |
| bkero | paul | 02:55 |
| kanzure | yeah, I was talking with him over the summer about me research | 02:55 |
| bkero | How many projects do you have university funding for now? | 02:56 |
| kanzure | I'm working under at least two grants, if that's what you mean. | 02:56 |
| kanzure | I count multiple projects under each grant though | 02:57 |
| kanzure | NSF and DARPA at the moment. | 02:57 |
| ybit | they are both supporting what exactly? | 03:11 |
| kanzure | Me. | 03:11 |
| ybit | heh, which of your projects? :) | 03:12 |
| kanzure | VOICED and the bioreactor/biodesel/fuel stuff. | 03:13 |
| ybit | fav. open manufacturing site? | 03:14 |
| kanzure | ? | 03:14 |
| kanzure | fav? | 03:14 |
| ybit | sure | 03:14 |
| kanzure | what does fav mean? | 03:15 |
| ybit | the one you visit most often | 03:15 |
| kanzure | the mailing list I guess | 03:15 |
| kanzure | but I just read that in my inbox | 03:15 |
| ybit | no particular site | 03:15 |
| ybit | http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Manufacturing doesn't have much | 03:15 |
| kanzure | I play around with p2pfoundation.net I guess | 03:15 |
| kanzure | try http://p2pfoundation.net/Product_Hacking | 03:15 |
| kanzure | http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Design | 03:15 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing | 03:16 |
| bkero | NYC Resistor also has some 2-axis CNC mills | 03:16 |
| bkero | Wait, there's a third access | 03:16 |
| bkero | *Axis | 03:16 |
| wrldpc_ | http://digg.com/gadgets/Open_Source_DIY_EEG_Machine_OpenEEG | 03:33 |
| wrldpc_ | old news | 03:33 |
| wrldpc_ | i submitted it anyway though ... nothing on digg about it | 03:33 |
| kanzure | EEG != ECG per-se. | 03:33 |
| wrldpc_ | yeah linked to that openECG proj. in the comments too | 03:33 |
| kanzure | I'm still not a big fan of EEG. | 03:34 |
| kanzure | What was EEG originally designed for anyway? | 03:34 |
| kanzure | I mean, it's never really used for anything good | 03:34 |
| kanzure | usually people are trying to "read teh minds" from a single electrical potential aggregate signal out of 100 billion neurons and god knows how many trillions of synapses | 03:34 |
| kanzure | but this is generally _wrong_ | 03:34 |
| wrldpc_ | rudimentary brainwave ... yeah | 03:34 |
| wrldpc_ | lol where's the DIY fMRI? | 03:34 |
| kanzure | there was an article in SciAm recently about a portable fMRI | 03:35 |
| kanzure | but it was closed source. | 03:35 |
| wrldpc_ | it's low resolution but it's still kinda neat .. oh yeah? | 03:35 |
| kanzure | Something more readily doable by an amateur might be the EROS stuff | 03:35 |
| wrldpc_ | there was an article in techreview about a DIY MRI some guys at MIT built. | 03:35 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Brain_imaging | 03:35 |
| wrldpc_ | nice | 03:35 |
| kanzure | link? | 03:35 |
| wrldpc_ | standby | 03:35 |
| wrldpc_ | http://www.technologyreview.com/Biotech/20548/page1/ | 03:37 |
| wrldpc_ | what was jihad talking about he threw together an electron tunneling microscope? | 03:38 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/instrumentation/instru.html for diy STM, SEM, ATM stuff. | 03:38 |
| kanzure | or maybe it's the other way around | 03:39 |
| wrldpc_ | "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page." | 03:39 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/instru/instrumentation.html | 03:39 |
| wrldpc_ | cool | 03:39 |
| wrldpc_ | bryan bishop the scientific iron mystic fire wizard higher physics titan who supply the missions | 03:48 |
| kanzure | What's this about, wrldpc_ ? | 03:52 |
| wrldpc_ | i just made that up | 03:52 |
| wrldpc_ | synthesize antidotes from viper venom | 03:52 |
| wrldpc_ | pardon my poetry, sir | 03:53 |
| kanzure | Woah, xmms is blown from my box. What's going on? apt-get install xmms doesn't do anything, and apt-get install xmms2 only gets me the server daemon. | 04:06 |
| * kanzure had to do a dpkg -i --ignore-depends=libglib1.2 xmms_1.2.10+2006.. | 04:08 | |
| kanzure | oddly my playlist was preserved | 04:11 |
| xp_prg | anyone know a good place to get car insurance on the internet? | 04:17 |
| bkero | kanzure: You should try mpd :) | 04:45 |
| bkero | xp_prg: I've had good luck with progressive | 04:45 |
| bkero | MUCH cheaper than other places | 04:46 |
| bkero | My first bill was $250 for 6 months | 04:46 |
| gene | kanzure want to know how to get some chitosan quick n easy? | 04:50 |
| gene | nevermind found it in bulk as a supplement | 04:52 |
| gene | http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Chitosan | 04:52 |
| gene | you can sell anything as a supplement | 04:52 |
| gene | absolutely anything | 04:52 |
| gene | even ground up shrimp exoskeletons | 04:53 |
| gene | check this out sunlight pumped laser http://www.opticalfutures.com/harvesting_solar_with_lasers | 04:56 |
| gene | http://www.belmont.k12.ca.us/ralston/programs/itech/SpaceSettlement/spaceresvol2/thermalmanagement.html | 05:28 |
| gene | ORBITAL VERSION | 05:28 |
| gene | hehehehehehehehe...... | 05:28 |
| bkero | I'm thinking about making a trip to AZ to get an implant | 05:54 |
| ppk | what kind? | 06:02 |
| ppk | rfid? | 06:03 |
| bkero | Magnetic | 06:09 |
| bkero | http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mods/news/2006/06/71087 | 06:09 |
| gene | Make sure the mod parlour you go to uses clean equipment | 06:14 |
| gene | you would't want any infection now would you | 06:14 |
| gene | why do you wan to implant a magnet in your hand? | 06:15 |
| ppk | that's really cool | 06:19 |
| bkero | I hack hardware a lot | 06:19 |
| bkero | It would really help in diagnosing circuits | 06:19 |
| ppk | I'd be concerned about not being able to do certain things though | 06:20 |
| bkero | Like what? | 06:20 |
| ppk | like getting an MRI | 06:20 |
| gene | what if you want to take apart a harddrive? | 06:20 |
| ppk | in case of an emergency | 06:20 |
| bkero | An emergency MRI? | 06:20 |
| ppk | lol | 06:20 |
| ppk | if I suffered from a stroke or something | 06:20 |
| ppk | and they wanted an image | 06:20 |
| bkero | Questionable whether it would be torn out or not | 06:21 |
| gene | you should just get a magnetic ring instead | 06:21 |
| bkero | That's not really the same thing :/ | 06:21 |
| gene | it would fly probably turn into a bullet | 06:21 |
| gene | however | 06:21 |
| gene | there are magnetic metamaterials | 06:22 |
| gene | that might do the trick | 06:22 |
| bkero | ? | 06:22 |
| ppk | o | 06:22 |
| ppk | they talk about MRIs | 06:22 |
| ppk | in the second page | 06:22 |
| gene | a magnetic metamaterial might be able to cloak the magnet from the MRI magnetic field | 06:25 |
| gene | but you might just get a magnetic ring instead | 06:26 |
| gene | in fact if you hold a neodyium magnet near the base of a halogen light you can feel the oscillating 60 hz magnetic field | 06:27 |
| gene | http://arxivblog.com/?p=80 | 06:29 |
| gene | magnetic metamaterial | 06:29 |
| gene | I mean magnetic cloaking | 06:30 |
| bkero | ... | 06:32 |
| bkero | You want me to implant a sheet of lead that's cooled to superconducting temperatures? | 06:33 |
| gene | no | 06:54 |
| gene | you put your hand in it when you get an mri | 06:55 |
| kanzure_ | " | 12:18 |
| kanzure_ | The problem is that verification requires a specification, and a specification that is complete enough to be correct is also complete enough to be automatically implemented through stepwise transformation (though it may be inefficient)." | 12:18 |
| kanzure_ | "Kanjiteru aizu" | 12:27 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture97/headphone/product1.jpg Shouldn't this work? except for the poor plastic connection | 12:41 |
| kanzure_ | " DIY Touchscreen Eee PC" <- heh | 12:56 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.natureinterface.com/e/ni04/P063-065/0104_063+01.jpg eyetrek ($700, no longer made, some in stock in a few places online though) | 13:01 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.vrealities.com/eyetrek.html | 13:01 |
| kanzure_ | http://vrealities.com/i-port.html iport. price: $6500 | 13:05 |
| kanzure_ | hahah. | 13:05 |
| kanzure_ | but otherwise basically what I'd want. | 13:05 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.creativedis.com/ | 13:08 |
| kanzure_ | http://vrealities.com/vr1monocular.html another one for $1400.. | 13:09 |
| kanzure_ | http://vrealities.com/eyetopcentra.html ah, here's one for $300 | 13:10 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.helihobby.com/html/eyetop.html | 13:10 |
| kanzure_ | some reviewing: http://www.yb2normal.com/eyetop.html | 13:13 |
| kanzure_ | http://salestores.com/eyetopbu.html here's one for $170 | 13:13 |
| kanzure_ | http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=eyetop&_sacat=See-All-Categories $200 on ebay .. | 13:14 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.google.com/product_url?q=http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-43310-8196-0/2%3Fmpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%252Feyetop-video-glasses%252C-used-once.-lists-%2524399_W0QQitemZ130271853847QQcmdZViewItem&fr=AGlbdEUn2N2LU-enr_gP_FTbtR1fEmJh68mZ269UWZXHtBbO1iAyFA6KrJXUUj4VfFjq2GCkE36jP4OrWDm7Ncn0DNmsbdqkRL6jdt2uD5Hbn4_t5LywX8GU5xB7eQmyomJiP9Hb80scMvRpJHrcPKM0mOqJxPjp5U3F-VkJWql_mQy9R7XT81gF-r43wO4ucGcAgVMYSkbOBtf4sT8nCD16-C63LHO6NX3n5YUEg6 | 13:15 |
| kanzure_ | bastards | 13:15 |
| kanzure_ | somebody got them for $80 :) | 13:15 |
| bkero | Not bad | 15:13 |
| kanzure_- | Hello. | 16:58 |
| kanzure_- | eMagin got back with me, they don't sell the monocular advertized item. | 17:04 |
| bkero | :/ | 17:11 |
| bkero | But they have it advertized on their site? | 17:11 |
| gene | kanzure could you send me the chitosan paper | 17:18 |
| kanzure_- | it wasn't a paper :( | 17:22 |
| kanzure_- | it was a talk | 17:22 |
| kanzure_- | bkero: They're jerks, I know. | 17:22 |
| kanzure_- | bkero: Check out "eyeport" though. | 17:22 |
| gene | those bastard | 17:23 |
| kanzure_- | gene: they go from crushed crab shells in the lab | 17:23 |
| kanzure_- | to printed organic transistors | 17:24 |
| gene | I know that | 17:24 |
| gene | you dissolve the crab shells in acetic acid | 17:24 |
| kanzure_- | I just thought it requires some re-emphasis :) because it's so neat :-) | 17:24 |
| kanzure_- | yep | 17:24 |
| gene | describe the process | 17:24 |
| kanzure_- | he didn't | 17:24 |
| gene | ok | 17:24 |
| gene | how do did they get pattern the chitosan | 17:25 |
| gene | water? | 17:25 |
| gene | was it this: https://buffy.eecs.berkeley.edu/PHP/resabs/resabs.php?f_year=2007&f_submit=one&f_absid=101364 | 17:26 |
| gene | damn still requires metal and a substrate | 17:27 |
| gene | http://www.physorg.com/news147698448.html | 17:29 |
| gene | we may not need ligase | 17:30 |
| UtopiahGHML | is there a non gregorian H+ style calendar? | 17:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | something that wouldn't start with the Christ "birth" and that woulnd't center around sun | 17:37 |
| UtopiahGHML | but using a scale based on evolution pace, eventually... non human-centric | 17:38 |
| Phreedom | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/04/1625226&from=rss | 17:43 |
| Phreedom | this is a very promising development | 17:43 |
| Phreedom | abstracting away the site is going to be cool | 17:43 |
| Phreedom | laying this on top of something like i2p can provide privacy | 17:44 |
| Phreedom | and using semantic search can erase boundaries between different repos | 17:44 |
| kanzure_- | Phreedom: the gittorrent guy is referenced on http://heybryan.org/exp.html already, at debian re: redlining the internet infrastructure for a week | 18:29 |
| -!- UtopiahG1ML is now known as UtopiahGHML | 18:30 | |
| -!- gene_ is now known as gene | 19:13 | |
| Phreedom | kanzure_-: you're everywhere | 19:23 |
| -!- UtopiahG1ML is now known as UtopiahGHML | 19:40 | |
| kanzure | yes :) | 19:46 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: unix epoch | 21:38 |
| UtopiahGHML | yep I thought about it, sth like it's exponential or sth | 21:39 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: 100ksec day, Ms week, 100Ms year etc | 21:39 |
| fenn | only really matters if you have an orbital colony | 21:40 |
| fenn | or some other non-earth-surface scenario | 21:40 |
| -!- gene_ is now known as gene | 21:42 | |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: unix epoch is used in day-to-day business in the book "a deepness in the sky" | 21:44 |
| fenn | which is about human trading routes between the stars, and how to hack an information age emergence | 21:45 |
| fenn | and mind control | 21:46 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: ok for unix epoch as a starting point but unix time is linear, my question is also regarding evolution and it's pace, maybe just adding a second as if it was the same speed than before provide a dangerous bias | 21:47 |
| fenn | well, it's not mind control so much as "applied autism" | 21:47 |
| fenn | you're worried a second is too long? | 21:48 |
| fenn | may i introduce you to my friends milli, micro, nano, femto, pico, and zepto | 21:48 |
| fenn | oo can't forget atto | 21:49 |
| UtopiahGHML | that's not the point | 21:49 |
| UtopiahGHML | the point isn't precision | 21:49 |
| fenn | i'm not following | 21:50 |
| fenn | a second is basically a cognitive time constant for a baseline human | 21:50 |
| fenn | so what's wrong with prefixes of that? | 21:50 |
| UtopiahGHML | which is good for synchronization amongst | 21:50 |
| UtopiahGHML | but which I think gives us a bias regarding evolution | 21:51 |
| fenn | sfw | 21:51 |
| fenn | we also have biases in meter, gram, becquerel, and every other dimensional unit | 21:52 |
| fenn | you have to start somewhere | 21:52 |
| fenn | and while it would be cool to give dimensions in 10^34 planck_lengths, i question the rationale | 21:54 |
| UtopiahGHML | fenn: well that would definitely not be enough and perfect but I think that with an exponential scale one would consider the present moment more carefuly based on the future consequences and I think, in a time (like always?) where organism evolve and the amount of resources available are limited, it could give interesting insights to be use to think in such a way. | 22:10 |
| UtopiahGHML | Id tend to think that you either become more effective or you slowly die. | 22:14 |
| kanzure_- | ffs, "your computation will be done in 3.80265176 years. have fun with that job security." | 22:15 |
| fenn | UtopiahGHML: what do you mean 'exponential scale'? is log base 10 not good enough, and it has to be log base e? | 22:16 |
| kanzure_- | fenn: huh, eric hunting makes his living off of textbook sales, helped raise a company from $10k/yr to $2 mil/yr | 22:16 |
| fenn | how did he manage that? | 22:17 |
| kanzure_- | fenn: and what d oyou think about that eyeport? | 22:17 |
| kanzure_- | Don't know. | 22:17 |
| kanzure_- | but it's not enough apparently for him to get his own workshop, so it doesn't even sound too terribly successful (though positive growth is better than none at all) | 22:17 |
| fenn | apparently he had really good credit, accidentally | 22:17 |
| kanzure_- | why isn't he in here anyway | 22:17 |
| fenn | some people dont like irc | 22:17 |
| fenn | i cant blame them, seeing what a time waste it is 90% of the time :) | 22:18 |
| kanzure_- | impossible? | 22:18 |
| * kanzure_- is presently 'wasting' time | 22:18 | |
| kanzure_- | huh, I'm on windows now, why aren't I using chrome? | 22:19 |
| gene | want some chitosan? | 22:20 |
| kanzure_- | http://voiced.device.mst.edu/groups/VisualizeIT/wiki/ac2f0/ some stuff from voiced of late. | 22:20 |
| kanzure_- | gene: I don't precisely recall how they were doing their writing process. | 22:21 |
| kanzure_- | I know they were doing imprinting, but how did they make their layers on which to imprint? | 22:21 |
| kanzure_- | At the start of the talk the guy was talking about heating up nano-electrodes and then melting away the chitosan polymer at that location | 22:21 |
| kanzure_- | and something like 10 to 100 nm distance away wouldn't be affected by the extreme heat thanks to the polymer itself. | 22:21 |
| kanzure_- | so maybe he was using some voltage => electrode => thermal/heat method to do patterning of his polymer to imprint with?? | 22:22 |
| kanzure_- | that's a pretty tiny area to hope you get right with a metal pin, frankly. | 22:22 |
| fenn | how does it turn into a transistor is what i want to know | 22:22 |
| kanzure_- | I wish I was paying more attention | 22:23 |
| kanzure_- | something about another bioactive compound to make up a gap | 22:23 |
| kanzure_- | it's an organic transistor, so it's slow, but it does do, say, ~60 hertz | 22:23 |
| kanzure_- | not quite something you'd use for microprocessors (it's also leaky, but good for things like infrared detection - he's "selling" it to the military as biosensor stuff more than anything (I'd be ok with slow computers though)) | 22:24 |
| kanzure_- | I wish everybody was required to give me their powerpoints when they do presentations. | 22:24 |
| kanzure_- | berkeley | 22:25 |
| kanzure_- | http://www-bsac.eecs.berkeley.edu/ | 22:25 |
| kanzure_- | http://www-bsac.eecs.berkeley.edu/project/list_projects_by_director.php?PersonID=1086 <- This was the presenter | 22:25 |
| kanzure_- | oh wait, maybe it was this guy: http://www-bsac.eecs.berkeley.edu/project/list_projects_by_director.php?PersonID=703 | 22:26 |
| kanzure_- | "A Cyborg Beetle: Insect Flight Control by a Neural Stimulator" | 22:27 |
| kanzure_- | http://www-bsac.eecs.berkeley.edu/project/zoom.php?urlmyprojectID=BPN451&URLnode=3 | 22:27 |
| fenn | heh "rotating raman spectrometer/microfluidics chip on a CD-ROM" (literally) | 22:28 |
| fenn | http://www-bsac.eecs.berkeley.edu/project/list_projects_in_thrust.php?thrustID=13&PHPSESSID=5e5a8e5b65ee70b40023dca3705514e6 | 22:28 |
| kanzure_- | http://www-bsac.eecs.berkeley.edu/project/show_all_projects_table.php | 22:28 |
| kanzure_- | Quite a number of projects | 22:29 |
| kanzure_- | what's going on here? | 22:29 |
| kanzure_- | "On-Chip DNA Transformation by Local Heat Shock and Cell Cryopreservation" | 22:29 |
| fenn | berkely gets a lot of DARPA grants | 22:29 |
| kanzure_- | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1097 <- good times. "Prof. Jones, I'm shocked that you don't know what my research is about!" | 22:31 |
| fenn | the problem with cyborg beetles is they only live for 20 days, but if you could freeze them it wouldnt matter so much | 22:41 |
| fenn | interpreting accelerations produced by human gestures as musical signals to allow realtime musical performance. Aquisition of these high resolution acceleration signals is achieved by square millimeter size MEMS sensing devices. | 22:53 |
| fenn | that was '05, i wonder if they succeeded | 22:55 |
| fenn | '03 i mean | 22:56 |
| kanzure_- | " | 23:00 |
| kanzure_- | "thaw the beetles!" | 23:00 |
| kanzure_- | "this means war. thaw the beetles!" | 23:00 |
| kanzure_- | Hey Splicer. | 23:00 |
| kanzure_- | re: human gestures as musical signals. That's interesting. What is the sensor? Vern Graner here in Austin has done ultrasound sensors for playing musical instruments, but your hand has to be in front of the sensor (and it's just a distance calculation) | 23:01 |
| kanzure_- | uh, not an ultrasound sensor, I guess that's really an ultrasound generator + receiver too. | 23:01 |
| fenn | lots of ways to make an accelerometr | 23:15 |
| fenn | simplest is just a ball on a stick | 23:15 |
| fenn | ball flexes the stick because its mass is greater | 23:15 |
| kanzure_- | oh, a wearable | 23:17 |
| fenn | MEMS | 23:17 |
| fenn | <1mm | 23:17 |
| fenn | i wonder how you're supposed to power it | 23:17 |
| gene | thaw the beetles did I miss something? | 23:27 |
| gene | cyborg insects? | 23:28 |
| gene | why power it fenn? | 23:28 |
| gene | when you could use RFID or leach energy from the motion | 23:28 |
| fenn | gene: because rfid requires a big antenna usually | 23:33 |
| gene | usually... | 23:33 |
| fenn | well, i'm no RFID expert | 23:34 |
| gene | they can make RFID chips the size of salt cubes | 23:34 |
| fenn | but you have to squeeze the antenna onto the 1mm chip somehow | 23:34 |
| gene | http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=939 | 23:35 |
| gene | 0.05 mm RFID tags | 23:35 |
| gene | of course you might not get much range from them | 23:35 |
| gene | but if your gluing them to your hands and want to use them with your laptop.... | 23:36 |
| fenn | with my not-laptop | 23:37 |
| gene | close enough | 23:38 |
| gene | big RFID antenna | 23:38 |
| kanzure_- | ybit: Are you going to read the om archive like you did "hb"? | 23:48 |
| gene | I think I just found an legal exploit in the patent system | 23:55 |
| gene | in Iraq at least | 23:56 |
| gene | for ICs | 23:56 |
| gene | for the circuit | 23:56 |
| gene | for circuits | 23:57 |
| gene | they define design as the Three-dimensional array of the elements constituting the circuit | 23:57 |
| gene | forming the integrated circuit or specifically prepared for manufacturing the | 23:57 |
| gene | integrated circuit. | 23:57 |
| gene | change the change the shape a bit change the 3d array | 23:58 |
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