| --- Day changed Sun Dec 07 2008 | ||
| fenn | not particularly | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| fenn | why? | 00:03 |
| kanzure | the Afghanistan fablab has nobody running it | 00:03 |
| fenn | nobody? | 00:04 |
| fenn | what about the afghanis? | 00:04 |
| kanzure | well, Amy's running it, but she's $29k in the hole | 00:05 |
| fenn | ouch | 00:05 |
| kanzure | none of the afghanis have a clue | 00:05 |
| kanzure | hrm, I wonder if my aunt is going to afghanistan again soon | 00:06 |
| fenn | maybe you could hitch a ride :) | 00:06 |
| kanzure | "Dear Dad, and everyone, I've hitched a ride to Afghanistan to join the Talhejiban. Erm. I mean the fab lab. Good bye for good." | 00:07 |
| fenn | so, why is there a fablab in afghanistan if a) there's no money, b) no interest? | 00:07 |
| kanzure | well | 00:07 |
| kanzure | heh | 00:07 |
| kanzure | communication problems | 00:07 |
| kanzure | Todd Huffman thought that Amy Sun would run/pay for it | 00:08 |
| kanzure | and Amy thought Todd would run/pay for it | 00:08 |
| fenn | pay with what? isnt she a grad student? | 00:08 |
| kanzure | is she? | 00:08 |
| kanzure | she's paying from her pathetic savings now apparently | 00:08 |
| fenn | er,, phd, whatever | 00:08 |
| kanzure | you know her? | 00:09 |
| fenn | she is the fablab sub-celebrity i guess | 00:09 |
| fenn | no i dont know her | 00:09 |
| kanzure | $1k/mo .. ouch. I was hoping she'd let some of us live there for free in exchange for superawesome tech labor | 00:10 |
| fenn | rent? in afghanistan? what is the world coming to | 00:10 |
| kanzure | well she claims that you could set up a tent on the roof easily enough | 00:10 |
| kanzure | but that with translators, foods, etc., $1k/mo | 00:11 |
| fenn | it doesnt really seem very sustainable | 00:12 |
| kanzure_ | "Amy Sun: frankly, i get about 5-10 people a DAY email me that say "I am willing to work for free in a fab lab somewhere cool as long as you cover my travel and expenses". | 00:14 |
| fenn | yep i believe it | 00:15 |
| fenn | this is part of why i still havent written my MIT grad school application | 00:16 |
| kanzure | hm, so grants will kick in in a few months | 00:25 |
| kanzure | before that though you'd have to float your own way. I see. | 00:25 |
| kanzure | gene, how would you like to have a fablab? | 00:25 |
| gene | yeah | 00:26 |
| gene | I want 2 | 00:26 |
| kanzure | there's one in Afghanistan that would love to have you run it for $1k/mo | 00:26 |
| gene | the more the merrier | 00:26 |
| gene | hmmmm..... | 00:26 |
| kanzure | it's in need of help | 00:26 |
| gene | I don't live in afghanistan | 00:26 |
| kanzure | you'd have to move. | 00:26 |
| gene | I don't know | 00:27 |
| gene | fablabs always seem to run into problems like this | 00:28 |
| gene | I don't think I could move to afghanistan | 00:28 |
| gene | btw I've been designing a stirling engine | 00:30 |
| gene | the size of a business card | 00:30 |
| gene | as my business card | 00:31 |
| kanzure | it would be awesome if you could diagnose the STL problems with my STL file for the cross section | 00:31 |
| kanzure | I had enough triangles but for some reason only 2 display :( | 00:32 |
| gene | ummm... you're using STL | 00:32 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:32 |
| kanzure | because it needs to be in a usable 3D format | 00:32 |
| kanzure | which is better than VTK. | 00:32 |
| gene | I don't like STL | 00:32 |
| gene | I like vector formats | 00:33 |
| fenn | STL is vector, dummy | 00:34 |
| gene | it is? | 00:34 |
| fenn | it's triangles | 00:34 |
| fenn | er, how that is supposed to work with a laser cutter, only the fablab people know :) | 00:35 |
| gene | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRML | 00:35 |
| gene | how is what? | 00:35 |
| fenn | STL -> laser | 00:35 |
| gene | stl to laser huh? | 00:36 |
| fenn | nevermind | 00:36 |
| gene | we | 00:36 |
| gene | are doing something different | 00:36 |
| gene | STL was originally used for stereolithography | 00:36 |
| gene | which is done with lasers | 00:36 |
| gene | for some reason it became the default format for 3d printing | 00:37 |
| fenn | because it's easy to read and write | 00:37 |
| kanzure | amen to that.. | 00:38 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/ | 00:38 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/mytest.stl or something | 00:38 |
| gene | damn I can't touch that file | 00:39 |
| kanzure | what? why? | 00:39 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/bioreactor/membraneless_filtration/huhtest.stl is the latest one that is acting up | 00:40 |
| gene | winblows thinks it is a certificate trust list | 00:40 |
| gene | sertificates trust list | 00:40 |
| gene | stl | 00:40 |
| gene | vista apparently has crypto shell extensions | 00:42 |
| gene | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | 00:43 |
| gene | I think I found the problem | 00:43 |
| gene | you drew a whole bunch of coincident triangles | 00:44 |
| gene | that's why you only see one | 00:44 |
| gene | facet normal 0 0 0 | 00:44 |
| gene | outer loop | 00:44 |
| gene | vertex 0 1 0 | 00:44 |
| gene | vertex 0 1 0 | 00:44 |
| gene | vertex 0 1 0 | 00:44 |
| gene | endloop | 00:44 |
| gene | endfacet | 00:44 |
| kanzure | No, use huhtest.stl | 00:44 |
| gene | that's weird | 00:45 |
| gene | do you see 3 triangles? | 00:46 |
| gene | at least 3 | 00:46 |
| gene | facet normal 0 0 0 | 00:47 |
| gene | outer loop | 00:47 |
| gene | vertex 1 0 1 | 00:47 |
| gene | vertex 0 1 1 | 00:47 |
| gene | endloop | 00:47 |
| gene | triangles have 3 vertices right? | 00:47 |
| kanzure | um. | 00:47 |
| kanzure | umm | 00:47 |
| kanzure | let me check into that :) | 00:47 |
| gene | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQGA6eZmZyg | 00:49 |
| gene | CDi is made of fail | 00:49 |
| kanzure | "fantasticfabrication.com" bwahah... ok, maybe not. | 00:50 |
| gene | does it work now | 00:51 |
| kanzure | -it would take some significant rewriting to make sure it never generates only two vertifces | 00:54 |
| kanzure | because of the crappy way that I wrote the script | 00:54 |
| gene | can't you just not make triangles and make lines, or squares? | 00:54 |
| gene | anyway this is just a visualizer? | 00:54 |
| gene | if we just need to visualize stuff why not use java or matlab? | 00:55 |
| kanzure | because we don't want to visualize | 00:55 |
| kanzure | we want a format that we can dump easily into openfoam | 00:56 |
| kanzure | although visualization is an easy way to check the STL file | 00:56 |
| kanzure | lines aren't useful in openfoam really, it has to be a meshable structure, and I think the mesher only works off of stl-like files really | 00:56 |
| kanzure | unless you want to find me a quick and friendly api for generating stl files with geometric primitives like lines and shapes, that would be awesome | 00:56 |
| gene | you just want a mesh you can dump into open foam? | 00:57 |
| kanzure | No. | 00:57 |
| kanzure | I want a generator that I have written that generates the mesh that I can dump into openfoam | 00:57 |
| gene | could you teach me how to print stuff to file? | 00:58 |
| kanzure | from what language | 00:58 |
| kanzure | do you have a scripting language like perl, python or php installed? | 00:58 |
| kanzure | that would be ideal | 00:58 |
| gene | java, c, matlab, or perl or something simple | 00:58 |
| kanzure | in perl you just do open(">file.txt",BLAH); print BLAH,"oh god!"; close(BLAH); | 00:59 |
| kanzure | everything after "do" being the code... | 00:59 |
| gene | I tried that and ended up with epic fail | 00:59 |
| kanzure | what type of epic fail. | 00:59 |
| gene | hell if I know | 01:00 |
| kanzure | copy and paste the error. | 01:00 |
| gene | I don't know where I put the code | 01:00 |
| kanzure | then how did you get an error | 01:00 |
| kanzure | I just gave it to you above | 01:01 |
| kanzure | put that into a file, like test.pl | 01:01 |
| kanzure | and then from the shell do: perl test.pl | 01:01 |
| gene | well I might have to relearn perl | 01:01 |
| kanzure | (navigate to the directory that has test.pl) | 01:01 |
| kanzure | just copy and paste :( | 01:01 |
| kanzure | gah.. | 01:01 |
| gene | Kanzure try adding another vertice to huh test manually then open it for me | 01:05 |
| kanzure | alright | 01:06 |
| gene | oh yeah nasa is handing out money for moon colonization ideas | 01:07 |
| kanzure | yeah, I'm writing a proposal | 01:07 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Space_colonization | 01:07 |
| gene | really? | 01:07 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing is contributing | 01:07 |
| kanzure | yes | 01:07 |
| gene | we could involve teh algae | 01:08 |
| gene | we might want to see if it is edible | 01:08 |
| kanzure | Nutrients? | 01:08 |
| kanzure | I mean, where are you sourcing dirt ? | 01:08 |
| gene | the algae | 01:08 |
| gene | we try eating it | 01:08 |
| gene | algae need nutrients, like what? | 01:08 |
| kanzure | stuff not found in rock easily :( | 01:09 |
| gene | specifically what? | 01:09 |
| gene | amino acids? | 01:09 |
| kanzure | Not sure. | 01:10 |
| gene | some asteroids have amino acids | 01:10 |
| kanzure | um, viewstl isn't viewing the file at all now | 01:10 |
| kanzure | hrm | 01:10 |
| kanzure | maybe mayavi will work | 01:10 |
| gene | use art of illusion | 01:10 |
| gene | the reprap guys use it | 01:11 |
| gene | they have scripts that make gears in it | 01:11 |
| kanzure | neat, it nearly looks right | 01:15 |
| kanzure | where's blender's free zoom utility? | 01:15 |
| gene | wooo! | 01:18 |
| kanzure | except there's like two vertices that are wrong now, not just one | 01:18 |
| kanzure | it looks like there's two sides and a top and bottom, but I cna't tell because I suck at navigating in blender | 01:19 |
| gene | so | 01:21 |
| gene | it works | 01:21 |
| gene | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7765701.stm | 01:21 |
| gene | bet software could solve this problem fast | 01:22 |
| kanzure | yep, it was mentioned on slashdot once in a comment | 01:23 |
| kanzure | about a giant machine to chop up paper | 01:23 |
| kanzure | and then on the other end take rapid photography of the pieces | 01:23 |
| kanzure | and then re-assemble everything ever shredded | 01:23 |
| gene | why? | 01:24 |
| gene | why chop everything up and reassemble it? | 01:24 |
| gene | I've heard about a project to piece together shredded logs from the german secret police but nothing like that | 01:25 |
| kanzure | don't remember. it was a reference to some scifi story about rainbows. | 01:27 |
| fenn | this was in rainbows end | 01:27 |
| kanzure | not Rainbow's end though | 01:27 |
| kanzure | fuck | 01:27 |
| fenn | it was a cheap plot device to get them into an underground bioscience facility | 01:27 |
| fenn | because they used genomics software to reassemble the shredded books (like shotgun sequencing) | 01:27 |
| fenn | "rainbows end" not "rainbow's end" | 01:28 |
| fenn | name of an old people community | 01:28 |
| gene | that's too cheap | 01:35 |
| gene | hey we have one those now don't we kanzure, an underground bioscience facility? | 01:36 |
| kanzure | technically yeah | 01:36 |
| kanzure | yes we do | 01:36 |
| kanzure | have you seen the crane yet? | 01:36 |
| gene | yeah | 01:37 |
| kanzure | know how many floors they are going to do? | 01:37 |
| gene | from above it while they put on the angular actuation motor | 01:37 |
| kanzure_ | fenn: http://www.yaxic.org/the_end_of_artificial_scarcity.pdf | 01:49 |
| kanzure_ | for reviewing. | 01:49 |
| fenn | ug. another book nobody's going to read | 01:50 |
| fenn | sorry to be so glum | 01:50 |
| kanzure_ | "Nobody is going to convince me that Alessandro Volta didn't think electricity wasn't going to tip the | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | game slightly in favor of the peasants. Nobody is going to tell me that Robert Fulton wasn't acting | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | in what he believed were the interests of mankind. "Oh, look," I can't imagine him saying. "There's | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | an opportunity to further oppression of the working classes by making them not only have to work, | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | but have to fight for the right to work too by making them have to compete on an open market | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | against machines capable of working tirelessly with arbitrary accuracy!" Nobody is that stupid. Or | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | are they? | 01:52 |
| kanzure_ | this is Smari stuff. | 01:53 |
| fenn | am i supposed to be editing this? or just commenting on it | 01:54 |
| fenn | like weird non-native english constructions | 01:54 |
| kanzure | don't know, whatever you want | 01:54 |
| kanzure | Smari says it's a draft in desperate need of revision/editing | 01:54 |
| kanzure | but I don't know where he's going with it | 01:55 |
| kanzure | or if it matters that much. | 01:55 |
| gene | damn you know what I hate | 01:55 |
| fenn | bees? | 01:55 |
| kanzure | the sun? | 01:55 |
| gene | I hate deboers over pricing rocks | 01:55 |
| fenn | ihatebees! | 01:55 |
| gene | I want diamonds | 01:55 |
| fenn | so make some | 01:55 |
| gene | for tools and lasers | 01:55 |
| gene | good point | 01:56 |
| kanzure | fenn: where do fablabs source their materials from? | 01:56 |
| fenn | debeer's is shitting their pants because there are so many industrial diamond products that are nearly indistinguishable from natural diamons | 01:56 |
| fenn | kanzure: how should i know? | 01:56 |
| kanzure | k | 01:56 |
| gene | I really want a metal coated diamond pressure container and pump so I can make metallic hydrogen | 01:56 |
| fenn | kanzure: probably mcmaster-carr and smallparts.com | 01:57 |
| kanzure | onlinemetals.com maybe too. | 01:57 |
| kanzure | ok, not any bulk ordering supernetwork of sorts. | 01:57 |
| gene | fablabs need to use local materials | 01:58 |
| kanzure | not all materials are locally available. | 01:59 |
| gene | indeed | 01:59 |
| kanzure | see: geology/geophysics. | 01:59 |
| gene | what about just be able to make bearing | 01:59 |
| fenn | what about just being able to make your own fablab tools so you dont depend on these stupid companies to make them | 02:00 |
| fenn | see: clay/sand clanking replicator | 02:00 |
| fenn | i'm sorry kanzure, i can't read that book | 02:01 |
| fenn | i'm really more of a picture book kind of guy | 02:01 |
| gene | that's what machine shops do | 02:01 |
| fenn | all this history stuff.. | 02:01 |
| gene | ECM can make toolheads | 02:04 |
| kanzure | fenn: the pdf thingy? I glanced at it, ignore it | 02:05 |
| fenn | i like the breadulator analogy | 02:07 |
| fenn | "caught bread handed" | 02:07 |
| kanzure | I feel kind of silly for not thinking about the money stuff that Paul pointed out | 02:09 |
| kanzure | it's not like the money would be used for much of anything, unless prototypes from repositories were to be built | 02:09 |
| fenn | about money being inherently politicized? | 02:10 |
| kanzure | no no | 02:10 |
| kanzure | he pointed out that the grant money would have to be questionably divided up among contributors | 02:10 |
| kanzure | if they were to be salaried/paid. | 02:12 |
| fenn | contributors to what | 02:13 |
| kanzure | people covered by the grant. | 02:14 |
| kanzure | the grant apparently wants a list of people who will work on it | 02:14 |
| fenn | oh, the nasa thing | 02:14 |
| fenn | good luck with that | 02:14 |
| kanzure | sarcasm detector still broken | 02:15 |
| kanzure | you're the hardest to detect sarcasm in.. | 02:15 |
| kanzure | although maybe you're just never sarcastic | 02:15 |
| fenn | i always get skeptical when i hear "nasa calling for designs" news stories | 02:15 |
| kanzure | usually that just means they want a new contractor, right? | 02:15 |
| fenn | i will try to use a snark mark from now on~ | 02:15 |
| fenn | it means they are totally incompetent and scrambling desperately | 02:16 |
| fenn | but in the end they always go with some lockheed-martin design | 02:16 |
| kanzure | somebody stole 43 MB of designs from one of the contractors via an ssh bruteforce attack. | 02:17 |
| kanzure | a few years back. | 02:17 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg17523561.100-nasas-new-shuttle-designs-stolen-by-hacker.html | 02:19 |
| kanzure_ | Pratt and Whitney. | 02:19 |
| fenn | meh | 02:19 |
| fenn | "This information could help rogue states put spy satellites or even space-based weapons into orbit." or not~ | 02:20 |
| kanzure | how is meaning not preserved by dropping ~ | 02:20 |
| kanzure | I was trying to figure out on what website the documents were uploaded | 02:21 |
| kanzure | but my search skills failed me | 02:21 |
| fenn | you keep using your periods at the end of sentences, and i'll use my snark marks at the end of my snide remarks~ | 02:21 |
| kanzure | don't know why that wasn't torrented. | 02:21 |
| kanzure | fwd'd | 02:21 |
| fenn | uploaded? | 02:22 |
| fenn | hmm why send it to a journalist | 02:22 |
| fenn | put that shit on freenet | 02:22 |
| kanzure | maybe these hackers are amateurs | 02:22 |
| kanzure | I used to be big into the hacking scene, and that was back when I was an idiot | 02:23 |
| kanzure | lots of idiots running around | 02:23 |
| fenn | whole god damn planet is full of idiots | 02:23 |
| kanzure | only sensible thing is to blow this shit up | 02:23 |
| kanzure | where's my nukes. | 02:23 |
| kanzure | ~~~~~~~~~ | 02:24 |
| bkero | Right here | 02:25 |
| fenn | yo implant boy | 02:26 |
| fenn | why are they putting it in your finger? that's so boring | 02:26 |
| bkero | fenn: Finger is the best place to put it | 02:26 |
| kanzure_ | http://turkishdarbeteam.org/ <- TDT might know WoH | 02:27 |
| fenn | WoH? | 02:27 |
| kanzure_ | World of Hell | 02:27 |
| kanzure_ | supposedly they have the NASA designs | 02:27 |
| kanzure_ | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://world-of-hell.com/ | 02:29 |
| gene | nukes? | 02:29 |
| gene | satellites? | 02:30 |
| bkero | Jihads | 02:30 |
| fenn | ah, if only someone would really forward me some stolen NASA designs | 02:30 |
| gene | why use nukes for space travel anyway | 02:30 |
| gene | NERVA's are just as good | 02:30 |
| bkero | You talking about those engines the US devised way back that had small nuclear explosions as propulsion? | 02:31 |
| gene | no | 02:31 |
| fenn | nerva is a thermal nuclear rocket | 02:31 |
| fenn | it never really worked | 02:31 |
| gene | really | 02:31 |
| fenn | reactor was too heavy, and ISP sucked | 02:31 |
| gene | damn | 02:32 |
| fenn | in order to get the ISP high enough to be worth using, the fuel rods would melt and blow away in the exhaust | 02:32 |
| fenn | so this is why we now have gas core reactor designs | 02:32 |
| gene | americium gas core? | 02:32 |
| fenn | uranium usually | 02:32 |
| fenn | i dont think americium is really considered for any nuclear reactors, because where do you get it? | 02:33 |
| gene | do you need to and rich it | 02:33 |
| kanzure_ | http://web.archive.org/web/20010801230912/http://world-of-hell.com/interviewRaFa.txt | 02:33 |
| gene | walmart, always low prices | 02:33 |
| kanzure_ | http://web.archive.org/web/20000505164251/neworder.box.sk/box.php3?gfx=neworder&prj=neworder&key=scene&txt=Teams+%26+advisories | 02:37 |
| -!- gene_ is now known as gene | 02:45 | |
| kanzure | ssh bruteforce scripts are still being stupid. | 03:11 |
| bkero | Hawt. http://www.mojang.com/notch/mario/ | 03:11 |
| kanzure | if these programmers weren't so lazy, they'd cross-reference usernames with expected login names with individuals listed as employees via sites like facebook and linkedin which allow reverse lookups. | 03:11 |
| kanzure | so that you have a set of possible usernames for ssh access (maybe). | 03:11 |
| gene | wait a minute are hacking the feds? | 03:14 |
| gene | if you are then I am getting out of this chat room as fast as a photon in a vacuum | 03:15 |
| bkero | lol | 03:15 |
| kanzure_ | " Here are some rough ideas about how I think one could make a biological Turing machine using custom RNA splicing and zinc finger proteins. I hope I expressed my idea clear enough for someone in this world to understand it. Ha. I would be interested in knowing if anybody thinks this idea will or will not work for specific reasons. Thanks. | 03:18 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.scribd.com/doc/8703987/Biological-Turing-Machine-Idea " | 03:18 |
| kanzure_ | meh | 03:18 |
| kanzure_ | so slow.. | 03:18 |
| gene | you know I think you can buy zinc finger stuff at supplement places | 03:18 |
| gene | you can buy almost anything as a supplement | 03:19 |
| kanzure_ | http://www.tinkercell.com/ "TinkerCell is an open-source project for simulating and analyzing biochemical networks. TinkerCell is designed so that it is highly flexible for the types of models that can be constructed. The simulations are fast because they run on separate thread (parallel processing) and are implemented in C." | 03:30 |
| kanzure_ | " | 03:30 |
| kanzure_ | TinkerCell comes with features such as a custom set of biological parts and connections and modules that makes it suitable as a CAD software for synthetic biology." | 03:30 |
| kanzure_ | " | 03:31 |
| kanzure_ | The TinkerCell core library provides a general framework for building a network with nodes and connections, with information attached to each node and connection. The default plug-ins provide features such as stoichiometry matrix for each connection, attributes for each part, family tree of parts and connections, and more." | 03:31 |
| kanzure_ | ah, this is deepak's work. | 03:31 |
| kanzure_ | This is pretty neat. | 03:31 |
| fenn | yep that's pretty much it | 03:37 |
| fenn | xp_prg can officially go home now | 03:38 |
| kanzure_ | yay | 03:38 |
| kanzure_ | oh look, prepackaged ubuntu binaries | 03:38 |
| kanzure_ | (the svn makeall.pl script is stupid and fails) | 03:38 |
| fenn | those screenshots are freaky close to what i was imagining for biobench | 03:39 |
| kanzure | hrm, segmentation fault | 03:41 |
| fenn | this one in particular http://www.tinkercell.com/screenshots/screenshot.cells.jpg?attredirects=0 | 03:42 |
| kanzure | had to do an export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/Tinkercell/ | 03:42 |
| kanzure | argh, absolute instead of relative includes .. | 03:44 |
| kanzure_ | c/cvodesim.c:394: error: subscripted value is neither array nor pointer | 03:46 |
| kanzure_ | hrm.. | 03:46 |
| kanzure_ | it's basically complaining about ((something))[j] | 03:46 |
| fenn | bad macro? | 03:50 |
| kanzure | oh wait. | 03:52 |
| kanzure | no, just bad code | 03:52 |
| kanzure | if(ODE_POSITIVE_VALUES_ONLY && (NV_DATA_S(u))[j] < 0) | 03:52 |
| kanzure | nope, nevermind. that works. | 03:52 |
| kanzure | I mean, it parses. | 03:52 |
| kanzure | (allegedly) | 03:53 |
| fenn | maybe it should be: | 03:53 |
| fenn | if(ODE_POSITIVE_VALUES_ONLY && (NV_DATA_S(u)[j] < 0)) | 03:53 |
| kanzure | same error. | 03:54 |
| kanzure | at that same line | 03:54 |
| kanzure | another instance of the same error: | 03:55 |
| kanzure | 306 (same error): u = N_VNew_Serial(N); | 03:55 |
| kanzure | 315 (same error): realtype * udata = NV_DATA_S(u); | 03:55 |
| fenn | should have some [] brackets in order to get that error | 03:55 |
| kanzure | realtype: so illusive.. | 03:56 |
| fenn | do you get "undefined reference to `N_VNew_Serial'" | 03:58 |
| kanzure | no | 03:59 |
| kanzure | this is stupid | 04:02 |
| kanzure | wine + windows version works fine | 04:02 |
| kanzure | had to do wine msiexec /i TinkerInstaller.msi to get the msi file running. | 04:03 |
| kanzure_ | http://sites.google.com/site/dchandran1/drawings the guy doesn't do too terrible art. | 04:16 |
| kanzure | Hi `tty`. | 04:36 |
| `tty` | hey | 04:36 |
| `tty` | do you think ADHD is a requirement now? | 04:36 |
| kanzure | Hah. | 04:36 |
| kanzure | Requirement for what? | 04:36 |
| `tty` | given the flood of information out there | 04:36 |
| `tty` | for evolving intelligence/consciousness | 04:36 |
| `tty` | i see no other way, really | 04:36 |
| `tty` | it's most agile | 04:37 |
| kanzure | a brutal refusal to admit in your own information overload is definitely a prereq, we call this thickheadedness | 04:37 |
| `tty` | at integrating new info | 04:37 |
| `tty` | what do you mean? if you don't mind me being thickheaded | 04:37 |
| kanzure | I just come across people telling me that I suffer from information overload, and I tend to refuse to believe this. | 04:38 |
| `tty` | oh yeah | 04:38 |
| `tty` | you're model 2.0 | 04:38 |
| kanzure | am I? | 04:38 |
| `tty` | it's necessary given the environment | 04:38 |
| `tty` | i haven't seen such flood of information ... when i was your age i was in Boston so I would be in the MIT Hayden (sci) and Barker (eng) libraries all day | 04:39 |
| `tty` | and I did not have the level of info flood available to you via the internetS | 04:39 |
| kanzure | ooh, MIT sci/engineering libraries. | 04:40 |
| kanzure | is there a link to download that yet? | 04:40 |
| `tty` | lol | 04:40 |
| `tty` | their course materials online | 04:40 |
| kanzure | right | 04:40 |
| `tty` | not the books/periodicals/conference proceedings, and my favorite: | 04:40 |
| `tty` | PhD thesis or thesi | 04:40 |
| kanzure | Did you see http://heybryan.org/books/ yet? | 04:41 |
| `tty` | nope... I need true ADHD for that | 04:41 |
| `tty` | i'm close to that but my girlfriend needs something called "presence" | 04:41 |
| `tty` | which contradicts ADHD in a fundamental way | 04:41 |
| kanzure | what is this 'presence' you speak of | 04:42 |
| kanzure | is it some kind of drug? | 04:42 |
| * `tty` is laughing at himself | 04:42 | |
| `tty` | hmm... its the ability to pay attention to your gf when she talks | 04:42 |
| `tty` | real deep attention | 04:42 |
| `tty` | which is very expensive these days | 04:42 |
| kanzure | there's some seriously sexist things that could be said about that | 04:42 |
| kanzure | in various degrees of comedic effect | 04:42 |
| `tty` | right... but i prefer the water and air analogy | 04:42 |
| kanzure | ? | 04:43 |
| `tty` | water needs space and abstraction to be | 04:43 |
| `tty` | i mean AIR | 04:43 |
| `tty` | doh | 04:43 |
| `tty` | and water needs merging and closeness | 04:43 |
| `tty` | i'm air, needless to say | 04:43 |
| kanzure | "How do you capture a beautiful bird without killing its spirit?" | 04:43 |
| kanzure | "By becoming the sky, by letting it fly." | 04:43 |
| `tty` | lol | 04:43 |
| `tty` | hmm | 04:44 |
| `tty` | well, the interesting thing is that i see no way around ADHD .. it's an evolutionary trait... how come girls don't have it as much as boys? | 04:44 |
| `tty` | that's the real question w.r.t. evolution | 04:45 |
| kanzure | I've met a few of them. | 04:45 |
| `tty` | are girls lagging | 04:45 |
| `tty` | oh yea? | 04:45 |
| `tty` | can they absorb math and science at the speed of light and in 10 different areas at once? | 04:45 |
| `tty` | i feel sexist now | 04:45 |
| kanzure | nope, don't feel bad, they're ridiculously rare and they're still not as awesome as me | 04:46 |
| `tty` | haven't met a girl with information processing ADHD | 04:46 |
| kanzure | try looking for the aspie girls. | 04:47 |
| `tty` | asberger? spelling? | 04:47 |
| kanzure | asperger | 04:47 |
| `tty` | not an ass burger | 04:48 |
| `tty` | ESL is my native tongue, so ... | 04:48 |
| `tty` | anyway, are you chatting on 3 windows at once? | 04:48 |
| `tty` | i'l go check this out: http://nervous.cnns.unt.edu/ | 04:48 |
| `tty` | then go kill some slow brain cells the natural way.. | 04:49 |
| kanzure | uh, 9 on this screen | 04:49 |
| kanzure | 8 on the other monitor | 04:49 |
| `tty` | the Open Manufacturing list is really cool | 04:49 |
| kanzure | :) | 04:49 |
| `tty` | any other lists i should know about? | 04:49 |
| kanzure | yes | 04:49 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mailing_lists.html | 04:50 |
| `tty` | great thanks | 04:50 |
| * `tty` bookmarking | 04:50 | |
| `tty` | later dude, keep breathing | 04:50 |
| `tty` | :) | 04:50 |
| kanzure | why has everyone forgot the art of idling | 04:51 |
| bkero | ? | 04:53 |
| kanzure | Okay, not everyone. Just the ones that leave. | 04:53 |
| bkero | I'm at work, doing $2 | 04:54 |
| kanzure | Doing what? | 04:54 |
| bkero | work | 04:54 |
| kanzure | $2 is work? | 04:54 |
| bkero | $2 is the third word | 04:54 |
| bkero | Listening to Komm, Susser Tod | 04:54 |
| kanzure | jkdflad;sfjaslk;d | 04:54 |
| * kanzure is watching some DBZ. | 04:54 | |
| bkero | You've seen Yo, haven't you? | 04:54 |
| kanzure | Don't remember. :( | 04:55 |
| kanzure | An anime? | 04:55 |
| bkero | Dragon Ball Yo | 04:55 |
| kanzure | Me will search. | 04:55 |
| bkero | It's out there. | 04:55 |
| bkero | Sweetened tea is fucking horrid | 04:56 |
| -!- splicer_ is now known as splicer | 05:34 | |
| willPow3r | sweet tea is the fucking bomb, what u talkin bout bkero | 05:50 |
| gene | doesn't sweet tea have more sugar in it? | 05:57 |
| gene | increasing your chances of crashing? | 05:57 |
| willPow3r | crashing? | 06:26 |
| willPow3r | sweet tea is common on the east coast, its really nothing more than regular tea with lots of sugar | 06:27 |
| willPow3r | can't find it anywhere here on the west coast | 06:27 |
| gene | are you in teh valley? | 06:28 |
| willPow3r | no, san diego | 06:28 |
| gene | hmmmm.... | 06:29 |
| gene | why do you need tea | 06:29 |
| willPow3r | because it tastes good? | 06:29 |
| gene | ok you make a good argument there | 06:30 |
| gene | http://arxivblog.com/?p=743 | 06:37 |
| gene | check this out | 06:37 |
| gene | http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.3792 | 06:37 |
| gene | and this | 06:37 |
| -!- UtoTest is now known as UtopiahGHML | 11:38 | |
| kanzure_ | http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/12/06/2238223.shtml <- battling over minimum pricing | 14:18 |
| kanzure_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/ComputerAlgebraSystems comparisons. | 14:27 |
| kanzure_ | hrm, doesn't have sage or simpy mentioned | 14:27 |
| kanzure_ | or numpy | 14:27 |
| willPow3r | i use maxima in texmacs for CAS | 14:30 |
| kanzure | maxima is running on linux? | 14:31 |
| kanzure | wait.. /me double checks some things | 14:31 |
| kanzure | ah yes | 14:31 |
| willPow3r | yeah, you have to kind of hack the scripts though | 14:31 |
| wrldpc | anyone have Fab.pdf? | 19:42 |
| wrldpc | by G-feld? | 19:42 |
| fenn | i have the paperback | 19:55 |
| fenn | "the coming revolution on your desktop" right? | 19:55 |
| fenn | or did you mean this: http://ng.cba.mit.edu/dist/fab.pdf | 19:56 |
| wrldpc | the paperback | 20:05 |
| fenn | i dont really know how much value you'll get out of it.. it's very introductory | 20:06 |
| wrldpc | aye ... I'm trying to introduce some people to the concepts. | 20:08 |
| kanzure | "MAKE STUFF". Just yell that at them I guess. | 20:09 |
| fenn | the book is very "inspiring" | 20:10 |
| fenn | it's for all the people who ask "but why" | 20:10 |
| kanzure | I've always liked "G-feld"'s point about "giving people something other to do than, you know, nothing." | 20:11 |
| fenn | other than shoot at each other | 20:11 |
| * kanzure nods | 20:11 | |
| * wrldpc nods | 20:11 | |
| * fenn nods too | 20:11 | |
| fenn | rawr i'm tired of scanning this book | 20:12 |
| kanzure | say, is there a gnu general "how to be a developer on an open source project" presentation that I should start linking people to? | 20:12 |
| kanzure | scanning which? | 20:12 |
| fenn | i just want to do GPGPU medial axis transform! why oh why is the world so harsh | 20:12 |
| fenn | peter pearce | 20:13 |
| fenn | re: how to run an open source project, actually there is | 20:13 |
| fenn | there's also a related article on how not to be clueless | 20:13 |
| kanzure | like, I want something that I can show people and suddenly they will reach enlightenment about revision control systems and so on | 20:14 |
| fenn | oh, well, that's not going to happen | 20:15 |
| fenn | software carpentry is good | 20:15 |
| fenn | but they have to want to learn | 20:15 |
| fenn | http://www.swc.scipy.org/lec/version.html | 20:16 |
| fenn | he describes cvs-style version control unfortunately | 20:16 |
| fenn | i wonder if this is the true origin of the phrase | 20:18 |
| fenn | I need to fix this bug, but first I better eat something so I don't get tired. So I'm going to have some cereal, but I'm out of milk. So I'll go get some milk. But I heard that yak milk is the best, so I'll go out to Nepal to find a yak. But they're all so hairy, I can't get to their udders. So, first I'll just shave the yak. | 20:18 |
| kanzure | I think it's more popular than scipy. | 20:20 |
| kanzure | I've been called a yak shaver :-/ | 20:20 |
| kanzure | oh foo | 20:29 |
| drazak | kanzure: have you tried hg? | 20:29 |
| kanzure | I'm missing the feast | 20:29 |
| drazak | mercurial, that is | 20:29 |
| kanzure | drazak: Mercury? | 20:29 |
| kanzure | the rcs? | 20:30 |
| kanzure | not yet. | 20:30 |
| drazak | it's a revision control system | 20:30 |
| drazak | really pretty decent | 20:30 |
| kanzure | will it instantly bring enlightenment to those who I show it to? | 20:30 |
| drazak | maybe | 20:30 |
| fenn | no | 20:30 |
| fenn | i think the problem with rvision control system is they dont have enough pretty pictures | 20:31 |
| fenn | something like vimdiff or kompare would help immensely in getting the point across | 20:31 |
| kanzure | does vimdiff just show a diff in a vim window? | 20:32 |
| fenn | no, it shows to files side by side with different color backgrounds for added or removed lines | 20:32 |
| fenn | two* | 20:32 |
| kanzure | ah. | 20:32 |
| fenn | and kompare is essentially the same thing with slime arrows | 20:33 |
| kanzure | actually it should be easier to show rcs with 3d models, like "bob just submitted a new patch, his super ultra mechanical part. Joe meanwhile is editing his own copy, and overwrites Bob's changes .. gasp" | 20:34 |
| kanzure | and then show the mechanical parts being overwritten | 20:34 |
| kanzure | bleh, not enticing enough | 20:34 |
| fenn | well, yeah, but first we'd need some kind of distributed cad software | 20:37 |
| fenn | and it's about more than just multiple people editing the same file | 20:37 |
| kanzure | well just for visualization it'd be a stupid animated thingy | 20:37 |
| kanzure | but | 20:37 |
| fenn | RCS is very useful for a lone developer | 20:37 |
| kanzure | distributed cad modeling doesn't sound too painful, what do you mean we don't have it? Just pull and push from the git repo | 20:37 |
| kanzure | in fact | 20:37 |
| kanzure | isn't there a gitfs or something? | 20:37 |
| fenn | there should be | 20:38 |
| fenn | well, git really is a filesystem if you think about it long enough | 20:38 |
| kanzure | well I mean just so that you don't have to go teh hackings into programs | 20:38 |
| kanzure | although using filesystem wrappers doesn't really capture all (any) of the features | 20:38 |
| kanzure | so on second thought that might be a terrible idea.. | 20:38 |
| fenn | i think it might be a skew idea | 20:39 |
| fenn | i.e. not quite perpendicular | 20:39 |
| kanzure | so, homosexual? | 20:39 |
| fenn | no | 20:40 |
| fenn | nevermind | 20:40 |
| fenn | the problem is that all the software out there expects a dumb (i.e. non-rcs) filesystem | 20:40 |
| fenn | so you have to manually update everything all the time by pressing 'save' | 20:40 |
| kanzure | maybe there's an stdio-git.h lib somewhere | 20:40 |
| kanzure | a serializer might be an appropriate place to do the hack. | 20:41 |
| fenn | http://www.sfgoth.com/~mitch/linux/gitfs/ <- is that what you're thinking of? | 20:41 |
| kanzure | I'll check in a bit, I'm "rolling with the homies" | 20:42 |
| fenn | keep it real, yo | 20:43 |
| kanzure_ | Reference: Open Source Manufacturing, 2009 conference of the Society For Machinery Failure Prevention Technology, Dayton, Ohio, 28-30 April 2009 (accepted, to appear) | 23:43 |
| kanzure_ | Authors: Pierce Kuhnell, Amit Deshpande | 23:43 |
| kanzure_ | oh, it's just about mtconnect | 23:43 |
| kanzure_ | nevermind | 23:43 |
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