| --- Day changed Sat Jan 17 2009 | ||
| willPow3r | what up foolios | 02:12 |
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| genehacker_ | the sky is, the | 02:15 |
| genehacker_ | and the enemy's gate is down | 02:15 |
| kanzure | fenn: what part of igem? | 19:10 |
| fenn | see inbox | 19:17 |
| kanzure | also, turns out that I'm still not paying for an internet connection on this box | 19:17 |
| kanzure | and this is the same ISP that just got super geek cred points on Slashdot for not whoring my information out | 19:17 |
| fenn | sweet | 19:18 |
| kanzure | wired.com called the other night and we had a quick pow-wow, I was going to call dad afterwards but then sadness | 19:18 |
| kanzure | um, so, could anybody tell the diybio london folks that smari is passing through? I'm not really able to do super email at the moment | 19:21 |
| kanzure | oops, that's ancient. Was working from a links2 cache apparently. | 19:23 |
| kanzure | I'm really just not sure about this ISP: | 19:47 |
| kanzure | <input type='radio' value='291.55,p' name='paymentamount' checked>$291.55 - Pay for <b>Spring</b> semester ONLY</span><br> | 19:47 |
| kanzure | ookay | 19:55 |
| kanzure | soo if you had to choose how much to pay for an internet connection, how much would you pay? | 19:55 |
| kanzure | <form name="autoSubmitForm" method="post" action="renewals"> <-- I've only seen action=post and action=get. What's this one about ? | 20:12 |
| kanzure | oh, method=get or post, meanwhile action is a filename | 20:12 |
| kanzure | blah, these don't seem like the type to .. well, you know, not know how to do a filename without an extension | 20:13 |
| kanzure | one too many nots in there | 20:13 |
| kanzure | samrose: I just got an email from Zach Smith. | 20:35 |
| kanzure | apparently he's the only programmer behind thingiverse | 20:35 |
| kanzure | and he's totally for the packaging format stuffs :) | 20:35 |
| kanzure | and in fact it seems like he'd be willing to do some collaboration | 20:35 |
| kanzure | you mentioned you were wanting to do something similar a while back, esp. re: the web interface. | 20:36 |
| genehacker_ | hahaha | 20:59 |
| kanzure | Zack Hoecken, I mean. | 21:00 |
| kanzure | genehacker_: Are you back yet? | 21:00 |
| genehacker_ | I know who Zach is | 21:00 |
| genehacker_ | I will be today why? | 21:00 |
| kanzure | Just wondering. Sata was asking when he was at my house on Thursday. | 21:00 |
| genehacker_ | I'm thinking of making some stuff for thingiverse | 21:01 |
| kanzure | will you CC-BY-SA it? | 21:01 |
| genehacker_ | well I don't think I will be able to take much in the way of algae samples | 21:01 |
| kanzure | *will you license it as CC-BY-SA | 21:01 |
| genehacker_ | in order to take an algae samples I have to take 2 liters of water | 21:02 |
| genehacker_ | yeah sure | 21:02 |
| genehacker_ | does SKDB work to some degree? | 21:02 |
| genehacker_ | could I throw a bunch of parts into it to see if I could make something that could assemble itself from the parts? | 21:03 |
| kanzure | to some degree. let me explain: | 21:04 |
| kanzure | you can throw those parts in, yes, and if you wanted to see if they could make all of the parts that you throw in, that would be doable | 21:04 |
| kanzure | but what you want to do is check *assembly* which is something a bit different than just make-dependencies | 21:04 |
| kanzure | for just the make-dependency analysis, you don't need to do much really | 21:04 |
| genehacker_ | could you do it for legos? | 21:05 |
| kanzure | but for assembly, that would require the instructions to be in some data object | 21:05 |
| kanzure | so here's how you'd do assembly checking | 21:05 |
| kanzure | you'd look at the instructions for assembling the overall part, and then you'd check to see if each of the steps involved goes to the other parts only | 21:05 |
| kanzure | so if you say "step 2 move part 3 to part 4" then it will stab you in the face | 21:06 |
| kanzure | unless 'move' is a part too. | 21:06 |
| kanzure | (and it won't actually look like "step 2 move part 3 to part 4" .. that's why I say XML/YAML/data-object-thingy) | 21:06 |
| kanzure | there was this huge thread on om about recipe representation actually | 21:06 |
| kanzure3 | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/tree/browse_frm/thread/a8d8ee245aaae97d/7a19a3b45e8f94d5?rnum=1&q=recipe+representation&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fopenmanufacturing%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Fa8d8ee245aaae97d%3Ftvc%3D1%26q%3Drecipe%2Brepresentation%26#doc_7a19a3b45e8f94d5 | 21:07 |
| genehacker_ | lego cad software has a handy dandy, make into step feature | 21:07 |
| kanzure | lego instructions are always pictorial though | 21:07 |
| kanzure | right? | 21:07 |
| genehacker_ | yeah | 21:07 |
| kanzure | hrm, I might as well check it out though | 21:07 |
| kanzure | I do remember using a lego cad program once, but it wasn't from Lego the company | 21:08 |
| genehacker_ | then download MLcad | 21:08 |
| kanzure | is this the one with "make into step"? | 21:08 |
| genehacker_ | yeah | 21:09 |
| genehacker_ | it's still pictorial though | 21:09 |
| kanzure | so basically: state of your lego construction before, state of your lego thingy afterwards, | 21:09 |
| kanzure | and then it just spits out a rendering of the state change? | 21:09 |
| genehacker_ | yeah, and you can figure it out from there | 21:09 |
| genehacker_ | pretty much | 21:09 |
| kanzure | not what I was hoping for, but ok | 21:10 |
| genehacker_ | I don't really know that much about it | 21:10 |
| genehacker_ | I haven't tried the make step feature | 21:10 |
| kanzure | ldraw027.exe hangs on extraction via wine. | 21:13 |
| kanzure | "processing archive: Z:\... \n archive date: 1997-07-25 00:05:24 \n Continue extraction? no" <- infinite loop | 21:14 |
| kanzure | or something. | 21:14 |
| samrose | kanzure, yeah! I am interested for sure | 21:16 |
| kanzure3 | http://arj.sourcearchive.com/documentation/3.10.22/arjsfx_8c-source.html blah .. have to compile it myself maybe? | 21:16 |
| samrose | met Zack Smith online | 21:16 |
| kanzure | ah, good | 21:16 |
| samrose | we should figure out a way to coordinate. I was mirroring your backend work, and trying to make it all work with python tools (mercurial, hatta wiki, etc) | 21:17 |
| kanzure | well, supposedly that's what OM is for | 21:17 |
| kanzure | if it weren't for the damned economists | 21:17 |
| kanzure | naysaying economists as it were.. | 21:17 |
| samrose | mercurial = GIT hatta = whatever that wiki engine you were using is, etc | 21:17 |
| genehacker_ | well what I want to find out is if there is a set of lego parts capable of apply enough force to put together and pull apart other lego parts | 21:18 |
| kanzure | what I recommended to Zach was that he could help out by just dumping the CC content and then I'd write up some shell scripts to pretty up the data a bit | 21:18 |
| samrose | ah, yeah. I am probably jumping ahead a bit | 21:18 |
| kanzure | but his data will not have an 'instructions format' nor interoperability information. | 21:18 |
| kanzure | nor dependency information | 21:19 |
| kanzure | so at a minimum I want to get the data set out there | 21:19 |
| kanzure | and then we can all go on a metadata spree all over it heh' | 21:19 |
| kanzure | (as opposed to me writing a crawler over thingiverse, which I would have done anyway, but at least this way we might get some of the data in a pretty format) | 21:20 |
| kanzure | genehacker_: wait, what? That sounds simpler than what you wanted to do earlier. | 21:20 |
| kanzure | just go look at the lego catalog for lego actuator parts.. | 21:20 |
| genehacker_ | I mean sets of parts capable of grasping parts | 21:21 |
| kanzure | brb, fetching lunch | 21:22 |
| genehacker_ | packing so I am semi here | 21:23 |
| kanzure | wow | 21:30 |
| kanzure | so it worked, it's a 'pending transaction' according to the broker/bank | 21:31 |
| kanzure | for precisely $0.37 | 21:31 |
| genehacker_ | afk, email if you have any questions kanzure | 23:21 |
| kanzure | k | 23:21 |
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